assault weapons ban!!
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So what suggestions can you make for a suitable defensive weapon against a mentally ill person coming into your house with a big ***** or ***? :dunno:
The statistics never count those times a person defended him/herself with a ***, only the number of gangland ******* committed with one in lieu of other weapons. That's like a survey saying 99% of all people asked believe in God in the United States, but the pollster stood outside a church and asked 100 people following a meeting.
My thoughts about Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman suggest their dealing with their mentally ill attacker, might have turned out differently if someone somewhere didn't threaten their right to own a ***.
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Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I think you and fox should pool your cash and buy an island...this way you won't have to be bothered by the peoples rights. You can call it Fantasy Island!
But you still didn't address the rest of my post, and it is far easier to get a car then a ***...in fact, NEVER in the history of the Second Amendment has it been harder to get a ***...and I'll tell you what, if my right to defend myself, my home, and most importantly, my ****** is denied by some *** grabbing pacifist whiner...and something happens to my ******...that *** grabber is just as guilty of the ******.
My comments on this aren't really related to the original topic of banning assault weapons in the US, as I'd rather just say my opinion on guns in general.
To me, it's important to look at the pros and cons of guns in a society. I look at it something like this:
Pros:
- Self defence and preventing crimes. Obviously that's a pretty important factor, and something I can fully understand. It's true that many people will be in situations where they can't rely on anyone but themselves, whether that's to protect themselves or others.
- I guess it could also be seen as a hobby to some. The aspect of collecting and learning about guns, as well as practising the use of them.
Cons:
- Crime done with legally bought guns. I have no statistics for this, as the statistics for *** related crime I've seen, haven't had anything to do with whether the guns used were legally owned or not. Surely I believe it happens, but I have no idea of how much.
- More situations turn deadly. I believe that a lot more situations would now end in a person being critically injured or ******. Could be a regular fight or domestic ********. Sure those situations could also turn deadly with a ***** or your hands, but a *** is deadlier, and I think that many such situations would normally have ended without a person being ******.
- People who aren't capable of handling a *** properly could be a problem. Here I'm thinking people who don't keep it safely stored out of reach of ******** or such, or people who draw their weapon to prevent a crime, and end up hitting someone else.
- More guns will be stolen. There will be more guns in the society, so there will likely be more cases of legally owned guns being stolen, leading to even more ciminals with guns.
That's about what I think. And when I look at that, I can't support guns. I don't think that the pros will outweigh the cons. Of course, that's pretty much all assumptions, as I haven't seen many statistics that deal with these points.
I just think that there will be a lot more problems because of it, and I'd honestly not wish to live in a society where I'd pretty much have to own a *** to feel safe.
I don't consider guns a basic right. It may be a right in the US, which is a different issue than what I'm arguing here, but I really don't see it as a right the way that many others do. Because of where I live, to me it's a right to live in a society where you don't have to own a *** to be able to feel safe, and you don't have to worry about who may have bought one and not be completely qualified to carry or use it.
I can understand though, the arguments and views of the people opposed to having their right to own a *** taken away. I would probably feel the same if someone suggested taking away my right to live in a country where there aren't all that many guns.
To me, it's important to look at the pros and cons of guns in a society. I look at it something like this:
Pros:
- Self defence and preventing crimes. Obviously that's a pretty important factor, and something I can fully understand. It's true that many people will be in situations where they can't rely on anyone but themselves, whether that's to protect themselves or others.
- I guess it could also be seen as a hobby to some. The aspect of collecting and learning about guns, as well as practising the use of them.
Cons:
- Crime done with legally bought guns. I have no statistics for this, as the statistics for *** related crime I've seen, haven't had anything to do with whether the guns used were legally owned or not. Surely I believe it happens, but I have no idea of how much.
- More situations turn deadly. I believe that a lot more situations would now end in a person being critically injured or ******. Could be a regular fight or domestic ********. Sure those situations could also turn deadly with a ***** or your hands, but a *** is deadlier, and I think that many such situations would normally have ended without a person being ******.
- People who aren't capable of handling a *** properly could be a problem. Here I'm thinking people who don't keep it safely stored out of reach of ******** or such, or people who draw their weapon to prevent a crime, and end up hitting someone else.
- More guns will be stolen. There will be more guns in the society, so there will likely be more cases of legally owned guns being stolen, leading to even more ciminals with guns.
That's about what I think. And when I look at that, I can't support guns. I don't think that the pros will outweigh the cons. Of course, that's pretty much all assumptions, as I haven't seen many statistics that deal with these points.
I just think that there will be a lot more problems because of it, and I'd honestly not wish to live in a society where I'd pretty much have to own a *** to feel safe.
I don't consider guns a basic right. It may be a right in the US, which is a different issue than what I'm arguing here, but I really don't see it as a right the way that many others do. Because of where I live, to me it's a right to live in a society where you don't have to own a *** to be able to feel safe, and you don't have to worry about who may have bought one and not be completely qualified to carry or use it.
I can understand though, the arguments and views of the people opposed to having their right to own a *** taken away. I would probably feel the same if someone suggested taking away my right to live in a country where there aren't all that many guns.
O.K. people, we need to stop bashing Fox & others in the same position so much. I think I know what the problem is, Roughneck, D-Rock, glk35, ninetysixcavy, and myself. See if this shoe fits, think it out. People that live outside the U.S. for the most part will NEVER understand our "Bill of Rights" for ALL the people of the U.S. You have to give Fox credit, he came into the U.S.A., legally. Not as a ******* *****. He applied for his Declaration of Intention to become as U.S. citizen. After a couple of years he went to Probate Court and did his Petition For Naturalization so he could become a full U.S. citizen, and he get's ONE vote at voting time like every else that is a U.S. Citizen. I'm proud of him!!!! I hope we ALL agree so far. But, here's where the train kinda jumps the track. For the most part, I think I'm one of the oldest posting, I'm 50 yrs old. O.K. laugh. Just remember, Oh you can't for you wasn't born yet, I'm twice as old as Fox, sooooo he nor others that are young do NOT remember the Watts Riots, the ****** Busing, etc. I watched it every nite on T.V. with Dan Rather reporting from Vietnam, and Walter Kronkite as news anchor. I watched in horror as cities was burning, cars overturned, protestors in Washington against the war in Vietnam, while my Uncle & 3 Cousins was over there fighting in Vietnam to help protect our freedoms for all of US, rather Americans to enjoy, Fox and others that think our Guns should be taken away, do you remember those day's thinking will the burning and looting come to my area???? It was as close as 12 miles from me, and I was glad I had my Marlin 22 rifle & H&R .410shotgun. I was scared and I was worried as was my ****** and neighbors. Do you remember those day's, Oh man, I forgot you wasn't even born yet!!!! Wow, so like you guy's & gal's then have to believe the News Media & Trash Talkers of today to make your decisions. I wish I could take you back when JFK was assassinated, I was in G.C. Murphy's 5 & 10, that was a small discount store for those not old enough. We thought the world was ending in a way. We hurried back home, pronto. And do you remember when MLK was also assassinated?? Another time when you just wanted to stay home. We didn't know what was going to happen from day to day during those times!! Did you feel the same way??? Oh, sorry you wasn't born yet, I keep forgetting that, and you have to rely on what the News Media & Trash Talkers on the Radio & T.V. feed you, and just only what they want to feed you!!!
****-UP TIME YOUNGSTERS!!! Think this over VERY carefully before you respond to this post for me & others will know where your head is stuck, so think before answering. I hope you ALL, see I didn't leave ANYBODY OUT, have heard about the ******* Aliens crossing the border at a rate of 2400 per day. Have you also heard that Iran has 40,000 suicide bombers allready in place in America to do damage to OUR homeland. Now, just think about how crime is with the illegals from Mexico, and there not just at the border, there all over the U.S. When the jobs disappear, because there's so many U.S. Citizens needing a job, **** just getting out for the summer break, and the New Graduates also. What do you think is going to happen?? I need an answer, but think before answering. It's allready happening, the illegals are breaking in the homes while you're at work trying to make a buck. And if your wife or girlfriend happens to be there, whats going to happen to them, thats right, *****!!! What are you going to do about a Suicide Bomber, while your waiting for the bus, are you going to wrestle him to the ground and defuse the bomb, I think not. But if you had a concealed carry permit and was carrying, you could take him out!! You'd be a HERO!!! What about the 101 year old lady MUGGED in New York City, and then he goes and gets an 85 or 86 year old to boot! I think before you go yelling take away the ***'s, PLEASE go ask someone from the older generation about OUR past and what happens in times of crisis. But they won't be able to help you with the ******* ***** or suicide bombers, because we never have faced it before. Because they, OUR enemies new WE was ARMED! Talk to your Grandparents or Uncles or an elderly neighbor what its been like since WWII to present, and LISTEN to what they tell you! Have a cup of coffee with them or a **** or pepsi, you'll learn more than what you was ever taught in ANY school, and I think you'll come away with a different way of thinking. Remember they have allready lived it, YOUR just starting journey's way in life. Your thinking today will shape if you want to stay free, or be a slave or puppet to another foreign country. Do you want your wife & **** ***** & ********? Do you want to become a different country? I Think Not. Once the guns are gone, two-million+ and some years go past, you'll be my age now, and how will you protect your ****** & property? We have one chance, if there gone we're done, finished. :2 cents:
****-UP TIME YOUNGSTERS!!! Think this over VERY carefully before you respond to this post for me & others will know where your head is stuck, so think before answering. I hope you ALL, see I didn't leave ANYBODY OUT, have heard about the ******* Aliens crossing the border at a rate of 2400 per day. Have you also heard that Iran has 40,000 suicide bombers allready in place in America to do damage to OUR homeland. Now, just think about how crime is with the illegals from Mexico, and there not just at the border, there all over the U.S. When the jobs disappear, because there's so many U.S. Citizens needing a job, **** just getting out for the summer break, and the New Graduates also. What do you think is going to happen?? I need an answer, but think before answering. It's allready happening, the illegals are breaking in the homes while you're at work trying to make a buck. And if your wife or girlfriend happens to be there, whats going to happen to them, thats right, *****!!! What are you going to do about a Suicide Bomber, while your waiting for the bus, are you going to wrestle him to the ground and defuse the bomb, I think not. But if you had a concealed carry permit and was carrying, you could take him out!! You'd be a HERO!!! What about the 101 year old lady MUGGED in New York City, and then he goes and gets an 85 or 86 year old to boot! I think before you go yelling take away the ***'s, PLEASE go ask someone from the older generation about OUR past and what happens in times of crisis. But they won't be able to help you with the ******* ***** or suicide bombers, because we never have faced it before. Because they, OUR enemies new WE was ARMED! Talk to your Grandparents or Uncles or an elderly neighbor what its been like since WWII to present, and LISTEN to what they tell you! Have a cup of coffee with them or a **** or pepsi, you'll learn more than what you was ever taught in ANY school, and I think you'll come away with a different way of thinking. Remember they have allready lived it, YOUR just starting journey's way in life. Your thinking today will shape if you want to stay free, or be a slave or puppet to another foreign country. Do you want your wife & **** ***** & ********? Do you want to become a different country? I Think Not. Once the guns are gone, two-million+ and some years go past, you'll be my age now, and how will you protect your ****** & property? We have one chance, if there gone we're done, finished. :2 cents:
I told the truth. Weather or not you feel insulted about it is immaterial to me. Would you have rather I lied? I'm not hypocritical about it either. I fully respect anybody else’s right to say and feel the same thing about me. I'm a big boy, I can take it, and yes, for the record, I think I'm better than people that act foolish. I'm not in the game of lieing to keep others feeling from being hurt.
Hold on a second. Almost all of the people that have been against you have put out straightforward, logical reasoning. It would be a huge stretch indeed to say it was all a bunch of personal attacks. It's easier to just think of it that way because it's harder to answer our reasoning.
A *** is just another object to me, a tool. It's not the *** I'm obsessed with. It's liberties I'm obsessed with.
And also I'm not buying the reasoning behind you letting it go. For something that you allegedly don't care that much about you sure bitch enough about it. If there is a bunch of people that agree with you (I'll assume you're not lying) and you really don't want to post it seems to me it's because your side is starting to loose the argument, so it's easier to say I'm done than to have the other side pretty much punch hole after hole in your sides reasoning and make you look bad. You probably seen there is no way you going to get the upper hand in any logically aspect so your quitting before it gets even worse. It's a common tactic I have seen a million times in my life with people on the loosing end of an debate.
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And before you bring up evading questions, is anyone ever going to address my repetitive question about how you all can be so over the top intense arguing for *** legality, but never say a word about narcotics, ****** porn, chemical weapons, dangerous fireworks, or bombs, being made *******. How in hell are those not exactly the same as this? No-one's given an adequate answer because there is no adequate answer. Silent hypocrisy is louder than any argument any of you have given. :2 cents:[/QUOTE]
Do you ever look up the definition of anything? You really need to check just what hypocrisy means.
I **** to break it too you but I have argued in favor of people being able to do all of those on the board with the exception of chemical weapons and bombs, which aren't man portable tools of common infantry soldiers which we are supposed to be allowed to have.
In any case I would say the fanaticalness towards the right to be armed is do to the importance people feel compared to all the other rights. We believe that it's what keeps all are other rights in existence and without it the others might not exist as well so in that case it's one of the most important. Again I feel like I have said that many times before, but you must have just selectively forgotten about those. The fact we feel it's that important is why we can get as intense about it. There I answered your questions, most of them again.
The right to bear arms isn't given to us by the constitution... just like all the others. It's simply written because the forefathers had enough foresight to know that there were certain inalienable rights that needed to be explicitly protected in writing.
The fact that people are willing to compromise and hand over certain rights is probably because our society has become more and more comfortable with the idea of the government having more and more of an active (and passive) role in our lives. It's pathetic that it's come to that, but it's undeniable. And it's all because of the false sense of security that it creates by believing that by sacrificing a right the government will always be there to help... a lesson people continually forget.
The fact that people are willing to compromise and hand over certain rights is probably because our society has become more and more comfortable with the idea of the government having more and more of an active (and passive) role in our lives. It's pathetic that it's come to that, but it's undeniable. And it's all because of the false sense of security that it creates by believing that by sacrificing a right the government will always be there to help... a lesson people continually forget.
I think the right to self-defense of yourself, others, and your liberties and the right to properly be able to do that is most definitely a basic human right. For the last couple hundred years that means people have needed to be armed with firearms to realistically be able to do that and even before that people have always needed to be armed with the weapons at hand of the time. That's why our forefathers acknowledged that right. Can you believe that?
Aegis said:
So how many years ago was it that the Nazis ran though your country?
I also notice that you don't mention the right to prevent the corruption of your government, and the ability to fight off tyranny of your own government in the future if need be or to fight back against a hateful majority of the people as one of the pros. Are you actually assuming that's just never going to happen to you? If you do, I'm glad you can place so much unquestioning faith in your leaders and the people in charge over there. I, on the other hand, can't. History and life have already taught me too much. If someday your great grandchildren have to face down a line of tanks and a bunch of soldiers with automatic weapons I sure hope they have more of an option than just being able to throw a rock at them. (Or cowering in some corner awaiting the faith that some evil regime has waiting for them)
I thought that fox wasnt going to post in this thread anymore. so why even look at it just leave and dont post. I dont even read your long ass post anyways just the first few paragraphs then I get sick of your writings and scroll down. imo people that think that the world would be a better place if all guns were ****** and people that think that all guns are bad are just as sick as the people that use them for evil. believe it or not it actually takes a pull of the trigger to make the thing go bang. hence there are no accedents with firearms there are only stupid people.
Honestly, I think we would have been much worse off if people started fighting back openly against the nazis. Denmark had no chance against the military might of Germany, and open resistance would have led to dramatically higher civilian casualties, and in the end, Germany would still have occupied Denmark.
Yes, I am assuming that's not going to happen. I live in a country where I do not consider that a realistic possibility. My views on this are based on how I see my society now, and how it might change in the near future. I don't base my views on whether such extreme changes might occur some time in many years from now.
Hi Renegade.
I'm not that young anymore (turned 37 last week). Of course I wasn't there at the Watts Riots or The assassinations of MLK and JFK, so I don't know that feeling.
Vietnam is another Thing. The U:S.A. did not fight so much for their or our freedom but for their geo-political interests. The lost of that war has not cost one American his or her freedom or anything else - except for those who were ****** or wounded of course.
It's funny you say we've been listening to all the news & media trash and at the same time you tell that Iran has 40000 suicide bombers at hand. Come on!
******* Aliens are probaly a problem, but they're not in the U.S. for fun. And I don't think all of them are criminals. Most of them only want a better life for them and their families.
There has not been one suicide bombing in the U.S. since that horrible 11th of September 2001. I hope it will stay that way.
Yes there are certain self-defense situations where one would like to have a *** - but I still think it's better to run there instead of *******.
Isn't there a law that makes it legal to shoot first - then ask? Strange...
So, with all respect Renegade I understand your views - but I think differently...
I'm not that young anymore (turned 37 last week). Of course I wasn't there at the Watts Riots or The assassinations of MLK and JFK, so I don't know that feeling.
Vietnam is another Thing. The U:S.A. did not fight so much for their or our freedom but for their geo-political interests. The lost of that war has not cost one American his or her freedom or anything else - except for those who were ****** or wounded of course.
It's funny you say we've been listening to all the news & media trash and at the same time you tell that Iran has 40000 suicide bombers at hand. Come on!
******* Aliens are probaly a problem, but they're not in the U.S. for fun. And I don't think all of them are criminals. Most of them only want a better life for them and their families.
There has not been one suicide bombing in the U.S. since that horrible 11th of September 2001. I hope it will stay that way.
Yes there are certain self-defense situations where one would like to have a *** - but I still think it's better to run there instead of *******.
Isn't there a law that makes it legal to shoot first - then ask? Strange...
So, with all respect Renegade I understand your views - but I think differently...
You do realize some guns are owned an entire generation, possibly more, without ever shooting a person?
How about hunting... you know... like *******... for food.
How about for sport. Did you know there's entire Olympic sports dedicated to shooting... and they never shoot one person. While it would be interesting to hear "PULL" and see three death-sentenced criminals fly through the air like something out of a Monty Python movie, it's not going to happen.
That's like saying computers are only for word processing... or women are only for making babies... or boats are only for fishing.
Man... I don't know why I keep coming back here. With a mind that closed it's clearly pointless to attempt to convey anything resembling fact or common sense.
Hi Werewolf, at least you've been around enough to see and hear somethings and decide for yourself what you think is right or wrong. Vietnam, I lost a ****** over there, another ****** is disabled, and my uncle is dying of cancer from agent orange. It still hits home with me! I take it that you did not listen to the President of Iran, for you would have heard him say that he has 40,000 in place ready to blow themselves up. Now they captured 15 British Soldiers that was doing ship inspections in Iraq waters. About two-three weeks ago, New York City Police released a report that they had caught some people investigating the subway systems and trains around the city. And they had links to Iraq. This past Weds., a drone airplane found 6 illeagl aliens coming accross our border, one of the 6 had a outstanding warrant for his arreast for ***** **** in the state of Washington. If you want to run, thats O.K. by me. I won't, and I don't dial 911 ether. I take it that you did not talk with an elder person, say 75-80 about what theve seen. I wish you would, it would make there day, and I think most likely yours also.
Hi Ya Fox; I brought up your name, but I guess you didn't read all my post, just the first. I give credit where credit is due, and I said it in that post, and I'll say it again! I'm proud of Fox for coming into the states LEGAL, going through the paperwork to become a U.S. Citizen. You did it the right way, the legal way. But now I'm only half as wise, Oh well. No, I've not been homeless, allmost, in 1959, my ****** had to take a loan out so he could put gas in the Chevy so he could go to work, cause of the Great Steel Strike of 59. If the strike had continued, we would have lost everything and ether moved in with ****** or be in the street. How many other countries have I lived in NONE, don't want too, how many have I visited, I think 11 or 12. Didn't go to College, Read my profile sometime, I started working at 5, and kept going, had my own bussiness while a senior in high school. I worked 6-7 day's a week 12.5 hrs.- 16 hrs. day's. I retired at age 34, but due to the increase's of things, I came back out about 5 years ago, doing part-time stuff. So that crowded my relationships, after finishing High School I had a good one, we both parted and are still friends today. Got married in the next round, and went through the BIG "D". And I'm with a fine gal now for allmost 5 years, she's younger than me, and nether of us want's to get married at this time. Fox, now you know some about me. I wish you would have read ALL of my prior post, but you didn't. I wish you would talk to someone, from here, the U.S., say someone around 75-80. Just so you could understand whats went on here! I know your from England, I've been there done that. I liked the people, but I felt I most fit in with the country people. London didn't get it for me, but I'm a country guy and only half smart as someone said. C-Ya :glugglug:
Sorry, my friend. I didn't say a bunch, just a couple, but those are just the ones who PMmed me, so I'm sure there's plenty more. And I didn't stop because my argument is losing! Are you serious?The statistics back up banning guns, not otherwise! It's your side that goes by "it's my divine right" and my side that goes by "look how many are dying because this is legal". So there's really no argument that can justify those deaths. :thumbsup:
I have never seen accurate statistics that back that up. Everything you put up was flawed, and coming from where it did I'm not surprised. The only thing I might agree to is the fact the number of extra deaths is somewhere above zero because at some point yes they probably influenced or made easier some of them. Then again, someday the government can use that same exact excuse to place mind altering chips in our brains and use the exact same reasoning you did while they point to all the deaths that were saved. The ends don't justify the means, even when might be effective. It's even worse when the means are not that effective at all. None of this takes into account the fact much more damage will be done to future generations without anything gareenteeing their freedom, but no your right, it isn't like continuing the entire freedoms of every other human being that is born in America is a good "justification" or anything. Maybe our founding fathers put that in there as a joke. How dare I question the governenment. To think they will do anything but have our best interest at heart is just plain silly.
You still didn't answer my questions....again. If you don't believe in any "divine rights", what is your reasoning for wanting gay rights when the majority of the country is against it? If the majority of the country wanted slavery, would that be ok with you. That is democracy isn't it? If you believe in liberties that the majority doesn't agree with what's your reasoning behind it? Will you please answer that? Not once have you answered those questions. Maybe all the gay bashers out there can just say, "Well that's Fox again, he must just think gays have some divine right to be equal instead of wanting democracy". They wouldn't be any different than you are being except for matter of opinion.
Aegis said:
So, what's worse than getting shuttled off to slave camps or worse concentration death camps? What's worse than being used in some human medical experiment? What's worse than being ********, gassed, or left to starve while you wither away, the last essence of life being sucked out of you while you do other peoples' bidding? There's a worse? Death seams like a better option to me. At least I can take out as many of the people fighting against me as possible before I go. Better to die free than live as a slave. Plus you forget other people saved you. What happens if the next time there are no other people there to help you out? You’re just going to subject yourself to whoever wants to make you a victim forever then? I'm glad I don't live in a society like that.
Aegis said:
I appreciate your honesty. I'm not saying this to be rude, because that isn't my intent, but that seems absolutely profoundly foolish. I hope nobody ever has to pay for that way of thinking. I don't know if you believe me, but I pray I'm wrong. I know I'm not however. Short of divine intervention nothing is going to change the way the world and the people living in it operate. I hope the people that live “many years from now” don’t have to look back badly on the people living there now.
********** said:
Maybe someday that thing between your ears called a brain will be in the right place.
I don't see how your first couple of sentences apply to Denmark during the German occupation. The Danish resistance movement managed to save the majority of the Danish jews, and all the while, Danish civilian casualties were pretty low.
When faced with such an enemy as Germany during WW2, I don't know what the Danish population should have done to fight them off. Fight and die free as you suggest? What would that have gained them? Thousands would have died, and Germany wouldn't have been as lenient towards the Danish population. Nor is it likely that so many Jewish people in Denmark would have survived WW2 if there had been open war in the streets.
Today, Denmark has to rely on their military as well as that of their allies. I can't see how that puts us at a significant disadvantage against potential enemies. Although we're a small country with limited military might, we have several allies, and I believe that we are likely to recieve support from at least other European countries if it should be needed.
The reasons that you or others may view me as foolish or naive, are really what seem needlessly paranoid to me. I just don't see many of such things happening in the near future. I believe that we as societies do learn from history, and that most western societies won't succumb to such extreme views.
If your AGAINST the "Assault Weapons Ban" as I am, here's a list of the Co-Sponsers in Congress. VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE NEXT ELECTION!!!! If your for the ban you re-elect the Pie-Holes!!!
COSPONSORS(29), [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]:
Rep Ackerman, Gary L. [NY-5] - 3/7/2007
Rep Berman, Howard L. [CA-28] - 3/13/2007
Rep Capps, Lois [CA-23] - 3/9/2007
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 3/9/2007
Rep Crowley, Joseph [NY-7] - 3/7/2007
Rep DeGette, Diana [CO-1] - 3/13/2007
Rep Delahunt, William D. [MA-10] - 3/13/2007
Rep Eshoo, Anna G. [CA-14] - 3/9/2007
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 3/7/2007
Rep Filner, Bob [CA-51] - 3/7/2007
Rep Frank, Barney [MA-4] - 3/7/2007
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 3/9/2007
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] - 3/13/2007
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 3/7/2007
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 3/7/2007
Rep Markey, Edward J. [MA-7] - 3/13/2007
Rep McGovern, James P. [MA-3] - 3/13/2007
Rep Meehan, Martin T. [MA-5] - 3/7/2007
Rep Miller, Brad [NC-13] - 3/9/2007
Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 3/7/2007
Rep Pascrell, Bill, Jr. [NJ-8] - 3/13/2007
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] - 3/7/2007
Rep Schiff, Adam B. [CA-29] - 3/7/2007
Rep Slaughter, Louise McIntosh [NY-28] - 3/13/2007
Rep Van Hollen, Chris [MD-8] - 3/7/2007
Rep Wexler, Robert [FL-19] - 3/9/2007
Rep Kennedy, Patrick J. [RI-1] - 3/22/2007
Rep Pastor, Ed [AZ-4] - 3/22/2007
Rep Wasserman Schultz, Debbie [FL-20] - 3/22/2007
And they get the :thefinger from me!!!
COSPONSORS(29), [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]:
Rep Ackerman, Gary L. [NY-5] - 3/7/2007
Rep Berman, Howard L. [CA-28] - 3/13/2007
Rep Capps, Lois [CA-23] - 3/9/2007
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 3/9/2007
Rep Crowley, Joseph [NY-7] - 3/7/2007
Rep DeGette, Diana [CO-1] - 3/13/2007
Rep Delahunt, William D. [MA-10] - 3/13/2007
Rep Eshoo, Anna G. [CA-14] - 3/9/2007
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 3/7/2007
Rep Filner, Bob [CA-51] - 3/7/2007
Rep Frank, Barney [MA-4] - 3/7/2007
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 3/9/2007
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] - 3/13/2007
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 3/7/2007
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 3/7/2007
Rep Markey, Edward J. [MA-7] - 3/13/2007
Rep McGovern, James P. [MA-3] - 3/13/2007
Rep Meehan, Martin T. [MA-5] - 3/7/2007
Rep Miller, Brad [NC-13] - 3/9/2007
Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 3/7/2007
Rep Pascrell, Bill, Jr. [NJ-8] - 3/13/2007
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] - 3/7/2007
Rep Schiff, Adam B. [CA-29] - 3/7/2007
Rep Slaughter, Louise McIntosh [NY-28] - 3/13/2007
Rep Van Hollen, Chris [MD-8] - 3/7/2007
Rep Wexler, Robert [FL-19] - 3/9/2007
Rep Kennedy, Patrick J. [RI-1] - 3/22/2007
Rep Pastor, Ed [AZ-4] - 3/22/2007
Rep Wasserman Schultz, Debbie [FL-20] - 3/22/2007
And they get the :thefinger from me!!!
I hope this isn't a repost.
i am for one, think taking away are guns is pretty stupid. The governemnt, as of late has been restricting the rights of americans a bit too much. for examble they outlawed all online ********, ( what is wrong with online ********???) however i do understand why the governemtn is doing this. if you look at how america has been in the past it has moved from being conservative to liberal and back. we have mooved to being more conservative, with the patriot act and what not. but in my honest opion i feel that the country is moving out of being conservative back to being more liberal. even though we are still at war socially we have been getting more liberal.
one scary thing is, if the government keeps doing stuff like the patriot act, restrictive online ********, and a disarment of our firearms(not complete disarment.) what will they do next? take away our right to vote?
used the search thread but nothing came up.
the NRA has used one argument that has supported the right to bear arms. the argument is, during WW2 after Pearl Harbor, the japaneese hit our entire pacific fleet pretty hard. as most people know japan never wanted to get into a war with the U.S. but one reason is this.
In an interview with a japanese General,
Reporter: why didn't japan set up a beachhead on the pacific coast?
the japanese general said that they had spies in california, and 1 out of 3 homes in Cali. had a firearm stronger than a handgun. they also held shooting competitions monthly. Japan did not one to invade because they would have had to face the american public and they didn't want to do that.
i am for one, think taking away are guns is pretty stupid. The governemnt, as of late has been restricting the rights of americans a bit too much. for examble they outlawed all online ********, ( what is wrong with online ********???) however i do understand why the governemtn is doing this. if you look at how america has been in the past it has moved from being conservative to liberal and back. we have mooved to being more conservative, with the patriot act and what not. but in my honest opion i feel that the country is moving out of being conservative back to being more liberal. even though we are still at war socially we have been getting more liberal.
one scary thing is, if the government keeps doing stuff like the patriot act, restrictive online ********, and a disarment of our firearms(not complete disarment.) what will they do next? take away our right to vote?
used the search thread but nothing came up.
the NRA has used one argument that has supported the right to bear arms. the argument is, during WW2 after Pearl Harbor, the japaneese hit our entire pacific fleet pretty hard. as most people know japan never wanted to get into a war with the U.S. but one reason is this.
In an interview with a japanese General,
Reporter: why didn't japan set up a beachhead on the pacific coast?
the japanese general said that they had spies in california, and 1 out of 3 homes in Cali. had a firearm stronger than a handgun. they also held shooting competitions monthly. Japan did not one to invade because they would have had to face the american public and they didn't want to do that.
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