assault weapons ban!!

[AFA]

I have nothing against law enforcment officers of any sort, and have seen many train.

I've seen agents that can't hit anything and in my opinion are dangerous with guns, some just don't take them seriously, and for example don't think about where they're pointing or that you must always, every second think of them as loaded. I can check one, turn my head for 2 seconds and will check it again. Of course it's pointing in a safe direction at the time.

As expected I know people who are quite expert marksmen as target shooting is a competitive sport. But because they didn't take the civil service test somewhere won't be allowed to carry or possess a firearm, (or certain firearm), under a *** ban. I suppose that means a short course in *************** guarantees a clean bill of mental health according to our political "experts".

That's why these universal laws effecting everyone might seem like a good or bad idea to both sides of a point of view. If you ban guns, some innocent people might die who deserve a normal lifespan who might have been saved defending themselves, and some criminals will live to go on to commit more robberys, and more homicides, at the expense of maybe stopping another *** crime somewhere else.

 

[Kingfisher]

My personal firearm has always been (and will continue to be) the Colt 1911. I've had so many, many, many people tell me that the "7 rounds just weren't enough". But it has been my personal experience that if you were ever involved in a fire fight where you had to draw a side arm ---- well, if your sidearm needed more than "six bullets" to knock someone down, you're fucked anyways!

That was just a personal anecdote/opinion.
It's not terribly important. I've just become used to my 1911 now. 30+ years is a hard habit to break!

The Executive doesn't pass laws. Congress does. As such, you have as much to worry about now as you do in two years time (assuming Hillary wins).

If assault weapons are ****** - why does the police (the State) have them?
If assault weapons are evil, why trust the enforcers of the State with them?
Imagine that! The lawmakers (Congress) and law enforcers (administration) say that "none but our servants shall have these weapons. You common peasants do not qualify".



cheers,

Yeah, sorry about that, I sometimes forget that Congress is the big cluster f, I also have a tried and true 1911, but recently picked up a XD, as it seemed a monderzation of the 1911. But lately I've been picking up a few others I've wanted for a long time, to cover that long, intermediate and short distances. It seems that in the past 10 or so years, there's been many more civil problems and disruptions in the Government services during an emergency. When I was in the Boy Scouts, the motto was "Be Prepared." Maybe now I'm just filling those gaps in my prepardness. Hand in hand with my earthquake or bug out kits.

 

[Werewolf]

This all sounds very strange to me. As I am not American I don't understand why you guys think that it's so important to have a ***. In Germany only a small amount of people - who have a license - own a ***, and we are not constantly being burgled, ***** or ******. I think it's wrong to teach ******** how to shoot and to have your **** and guns in the same house.

Peace!

 

[AFA]

This all sounds very strange to me. As I am not American I don't understand why you guys think that it's so important to have a ***. In Germany only a small amount of people - who have a license - own a ***, and we are not constantly being burgled, ***** or ******. I think it's wrong to teach ******** how to shoot and to have your **** and guns in the same house.

Peace!

As I said, I think the culture in the US has some real serious issues with values that will never be discussed because it values money over everything. Someone still needs to explain the amendment to the constitution that says it's okay to litter around the corner at someone else's house but not in your neighbor's.

 

[xxaru]

As I just said in another post....

You know... as much as it pains me to say it as an American citizen, sometimes Im SO glad Im not living in the US. Im so fed up with some of the stupidness with these laws, political decisions, censorship, and restrictions that it makes me sick. And the mentality of the American people who support this nonsense are just as sickening. Some of the things this country has done as of recent literally make me ashamed to call myself an American.

The US is one the greatest country in the world... "the greatest" IMO. But it's also fucked up on so many levels. Our political decisions are tarnishing what the USA is, or what it was originally meant to be. And as a US citizen it pains me to see it happening.

 

[Philbert]

Yeah, sorry about that, I sometimes forget that Congress is the big cluster f, I also have a tried and true 1911, but recently picked up a XD, as it seemed a monderzation of the 1911. But lately I've been picking up a few others I've wanted for a long time, to cover that long, intermediate and short distances. It seems that in the past 10 or so years, there's been many more civil problems and disruptions in the Government services during an emergency. When I was in the Boy Scouts, the motto was "Be Prepared." Maybe now I'm just filling those gaps in my prepardness. Hand in hand with my earthquake or bug out kits.

(Non *** people, just skip this post.)
Years ago, I went serious with handguns.
I got several to find the one(s) I wanted to keep by me for those times.
I found that it's not the amount of rounds or even the power that counts; it's *** control that matters (hitting what you aim at).
roughneck sure had it right,,,and my personal favorite is the .45 auto, with the .40 cal S&W a close second.
I could hit what I aimed at at 25 yards with either, and either round has a very serious effect when it hits. .38s are powerful, but aren't large enough in size of the bullet to depend on. The FBI went to 10mm after the well known incident where a bad guy still managed to **** 2 agents, with a fatal chest wound from a .38.
The Glock .40 S&W has a 15 round mag, the .45 has (in 1911 models) at best 9 rounds. I prefer the .45, mine was a ported accurized Springfield Armory Model 1911A1A, plated with a Teflon-impregnated Nickle. Slick even with no lube, fed everything I put in it.
Many wheel guns are more powerful and dependable, but maybe more than one target could be the problem; a .357 is very effective, just don't need more than 6 rounds in a hurry.
My life has changed from those days, so my need for those weapons has decreased.
I wish for no need ever for a firearm, but feel better with a 2" snub carrying jacketed hollowpoint .38 +p for out in the world (fits easily in the back pocket, very accurate), and a .45 at home.
Never did feel happy with any 9mm I owned; if I was to have one, tried and true Baretta (or the Taurus clone) would be my choice.

 

[ninetysixcavy]

This all sounds very strange to me. As I am not American I don't understand why you guys think that it's so important to have a ***. In Germany only a small amount of people - who have a license - own a ***, and we are not constantly being burgled, ***** or ******. I think it's wrong to teach ******** how to shoot and to have your **** and guns in the same house.

Peace!

Because you have never experienced what our society/culture has. You guys probably never had such a violent culture to begin with, and yes, I'm going to say (don't cringe): homogenous societies are the ideal society, and America is not homogenous. It's called "balkanized." It's an opinion, so buzz off if you don't like it please! Multiculturalism is not healthy, and history has proven this, so please do your homework before you bitch at this post please. Thanks.

 

[Werewolf]

What kind of KKK-Bullshit is that??

 

[xxaru]

Multiculturalism is not healthy, and history has proven this, so please do your homework before you bitch at this post please. Thanks.

I disagree with this statement. Multiculturalism is a great thing... it's just that instead of opening up and accepting peoples cultures and learning from them, people want to ***** others to conform to their own cultures (because obviously their way is the only way).

 

[ninetysixcavy]

What kind of KKK-Bullshit is that??

You didn't do your homework. (*rolls eyes*) :nono:

 

[AFA]

This all sounds very strange to me. As I am not American I don't understand why you guys think that it's so important to have a ***. In Germany only a small amount of people - who have a license - own a ***, and we are not constantly being burgled, ***** or ******. I think it's wrong to teach ******** how to shoot and to have your **** and guns in the same house.

Peace!

If I remember correctly, after WW2, guns were ****** in Germany? The only exception was air rifles for competition. I think it's only in recent years they are coming back in, and I was told by a friend with ****** in Germany you have to qualify and get a license or permit on a particular rifle, and if you change calibers, meet another qualification. Marksmanship is a very popular sport, but I would think the overall attitude in Germany would be they are used to a society with no guns.

I have said three times in this thread that I think US culture is to blame for many of it's woes, including the presumption that guns cause crimes. Again according to the Wikipedia article I quoted, only a third of homicides involve guns.

 

[AFA]

This is good

"U.S. crime trends have been better than those in countries with restrictive firearms laws. Since 1991, with what HCI calls "weak *** laws" (Sarah Brady, "Our Country`s Claim to Shame," 5/5/97), the number of privately owned firearms has risen by perhaps 50 million. Americans bought 37 million new firearms in the 1993-1999 time frame alone. (BATF, Crime *** Trace Reports, 1999, National Report, 11/00.) Meanwhile, America`s violent crime rate has decreased every year and is now at a 23- year low (FBI). In addition to Japan, other restrictive countries have experienced increases in crime"

"Germany -- Described in the Library of Congress report as "among the most stringent in Europe," Germany`s laws are almost as restrictive as those which HCI wants imposed in the U.S. Licenses are required to buy or own a firearm, and to get a license a German must prove his or her "need" and pass a government test. Different licenses are required for hunters, recreational shooters, and collectors. As is the case in Washington, D.C., it is ******* to have a *** ready for defensive use in your own home. Before being allowed to have a firearm for protection, a German must again prove "need." Yet the annual number of firearm-related ******* in Germany rose 76% between 1992-1995. (Library of Congress, p. 69.) It should be noted, HCI goes further than the Germans, believing "there is no constitutional right to self-defense" (HCI Chair Sarah Brady, quoted in Tom Jackson, "Keeping the Battle Alive," Tampa Tribune, 10/21/93) and "the only reason for guns in civilian hands is sporting purposes" (HCI`s Center to Prevent Handgun ******** Director, Dennis Henigan, quoted in USA Today, 11/20/91)."

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[Philbert]

I disagree with this statement. Multiculturalism is a great thing... it's just that instead of opening up and accepting peoples cultures and learning from them, people want to ***** others to conform to their own cultures (because obviously their way is the only way).

So much for careful and objective thought.
Multiculturism is a great thing? Can you show me a good example?

The US has basically been a uniculture in formation for most of it's history, and has done great things in all fields due to this.
Whereas the countries we are hearing about "today", such as Turkey, Iraq, pick 3 or 4 from Africa, and Asia, are destoying each other in cultural conflict.
How happy are the Tutsis with the Hutus? How thrilled are the Kurds, or for that matter Hindus in Kashmir, or Muslims in Bosnia?
Here in the US (and in many Western countries) our culture is based on one ideal...we are a single people, made up of many diverse backgrounds, all equal, and all American (or English, or Danish, or etc).
Protection for diversity is written into our Constitution, and our laws are reflective of this.
Call people not Americans who, in fact, are citizens, and your opinion is yours to have. Act on it, and the American legal system will provide redress for the offended Americans; some are easily confused by the terms multicultural and diversity.
Look around the world, and there are modern day nations waging war on other cultures within their borders; the very fact we here in the USA, and elsewhere in the world, have laws providing for protection against discrimination towards our citizens due to their origin, sex, religion and other manifestations of diversity, is the major difference.
Those who demand multiculturalism are working against the national interest; we are one culture, American, and within that framework we are all free to be who we want.
Nothing is perfect in this world, and we here are constantly striving to bring the ideal of our philosophy closer to the desired reality; it will always be a struggle to achieve these goals, but we are closer with each generation.
And as different as are the backgrounds of our citizens, so are the means we often find to achieve the American ideal.

 

[glk35]

well I have to say that i didnt think that this thread was going to get this much this fast. My eyes are burning from reading and forgeting to blink. I **** it because I have so many things to say but by the time i am done reading the next post i have somthing else i want to say and then i forget what i wanted to say earlier. ****! But one thing sticks out in my mind Whoever the dumbshit is that said that i have small genitals and all the other bullshit they said must not know that i am only half chinese. I guess i get my genitals from my white country side. HEY DUMBASS this isnt about hunting its about the ban, plus i also use a bow to **** *******. I have owned more than 150 guns since i was 18 i am now 28 I have a gunsmithing license and I have my firearms saftey instructors license. I am a hair stylist for my full time job. I have 1 time since then been is one situation that i needed to pull out my ******. It saved me. I just want to thank everyone for their opinions wether i agree or not, its nice to see people respond in what they believe. on my closer for now I have checked out some quote assault weapons parts "receivers, and mags" and they are starting to get scarace. thanks again everyone for your responses.

 

[eldw]

i have always been unfortunate enough to live in countries where *** ownership has been restricted. unfortunately, in my experience, a similar level of criminal thrill has also been absent. except maybe in Russia....

 

[futuresurfer]

OK heres my two sense not like it really matters. Every where in the United States where concealed hand guns are allowed violent crime has substantially dropped. As for other countries you can not compare them to the US. It is a different culture then ours. The US is unique and one of a kind so those stats dont mean Jack didley.
Now I do remember an incident roughly 5years ago when a school shooting was prevented in Arkansas by two teenage boys who were members of the NRA because they new how to eject the clip from the *** and turn the safety on when the saw the would be assailant pull out the semi auto ******. Was it risky sure but the saved possibly dozens of life's.
Also most *** fights happen at roughly 7-8 yards away and a person who has had no combat experience or now prior *** fights will miss roughly 15+ times at the least due to adrenaline and panic. Now thats an entire clip that misses or over 3 ******** loads.
Now if I am being attacked by someone who has been in a *** fight before and I can bull an AR-15 out of my car with a 50 round clip my odds of surviving have just improved. If someone gets hit by a stray bullet the Dems will blame my *** NOT THE ASSHOLE WHO ATTACKED ME.
Now my opinion stop putting a mandatory sentence for **** possession to make the soccer moms happy that bobby is not hitting the reffer (he probably still is he is just being more careful not to get caught) and letting violent criminals get out because of over crowding. We used to **** ppl who ****** innocents. Im not sure whatever happened to that. It would be cheaper and safer.
Now back to the guns. It does not matter why I want a ***, or what kind. I may just want it as a center piece in my house in a clear *** safe. Who cares as long as I am not performing an ******* act with it it is my right to own it. The constitution does not say you can only have certain guns and it does not say they are to only hunt with.
The Declaration of Independence (One of the 3 most important political documents in American politics) States that it is the PPL's job and DUTY to overthrow a Govt. not looking out for its ppl. More *** control is no the answer. Less govt is the answer. It is the single most inefficient, but sadly necessary, structures know to man. Just my opinion

 

[futuresurfer]

One last thought. I think what no one has brought up is the subject if human nature. People are not NATURALLY NICE, they are selfish and violent. If you do not believe me then think about this. When was the last time you had to teach a *** to be selfish and disobedient? "*** stop doing what I told you, you are obeying me again."
So why, if that is peoples nature, would you take a weapon that could save someones life from their hands. Cause I have been in a number of fights when I was in high school and I have used whatever was lying around if I was losing, a pipe or an umbrella, whatever it all worked the same. Im not bragging about it and I have not STARTED a fight in 4 years. So before you go off about my past, stop cause you know nothing about it. My point is if I had wanted to **** someone with an umbrella it is possible and not that difficult. In the adrenaline and paranoia that comes from fighting it is just as likely as if I pulled out an HK-47. So are we going to out law everything? Just because you can't carry an assault rifle LEGALLY does not mean I cant **** someone when I am that upset. I would also think it would be easier to narrow down the suspects if you shot some one with a legally purchased assualt rifle. Those have to be less commonly sold then a .357. Its like narrowing down who was driving the Bently over a Civic.

 

[xxaru]

So much for careful and objective thought.
Multiculturism is a great thing? Can you show me a good example?

The US has basically been a uniculture in formation for most of it's history, and has done great things in all fields due to this.
Whereas the countries we are hearing about "today", such as Turkey, Iraq, pick 3 or 4 from Africa, and Asia, are destoying each other in cultural conflict.
How happy are the Tutsis with the Hutus? How thrilled are the Kurds, or for that matter Hindus in Kashmir, or Muslims in Bosnia?
Here in the US (and in many Western countries) our culture is based on one ideal...we are a single people, made up of many diverse backgrounds, all equal, and all American (or English, or Danish, or etc).
Protection for diversity is written into our Constitution, and our laws are reflective of this.
Call people not Americans who, in fact, are citizens, and your opinion is yours to have. Act on it, and the American legal system will provide redress for the offended Americans; some are easily confused by the terms multicultural and diversity.
Look around the world, and there are modern day nations waging war on other cultures within their borders; the very fact we here in the USA, and elsewhere in the world, have laws providing for protection against discrimination towards our citizens due to their origin, sex, religion and other manifestations of diversity, is the major difference.
Those who demand multiculturalism are working against the national interest; we are one culture, American, and within that framework we are all free to be who we want.
Nothing is perfect in this world, and we here are constantly striving to bring the ideal of our philosophy closer to the desired reality; it will always be a struggle to achieve these goals, but we are closer with each generation.
And as different as are the backgrounds of our citizens, so are the means we often find to achieve the American ideal.

You’re talking nonsense now. Your method of thinking is like saying… Ok, Jews can’t get along with Muslims over here (or X religion is continually at conflict with Y religion); therefore we can automatically infer that any multi-religious society is a bad thing. I say bullshit.

It’s just like I said… those places with people destroying each other because of cultural conflict are doing so because they refuse to accept each others cultures and cultural differences, and insist on making the other side conform to their own culture. Thus you will inventively have conflict. But just because two idiots cant get along because of their cultural differences doesn’t mean multiculturalism on the whole is a bad thing.

 

[Torre82]

You’re talking nonsense now. Your method of thinking is like saying… Ok, Jews can’t get along with Muslims over here (or X religion is continually at conflict with Y religion); therefore we can automatically infer that any multi-religious society is a bad thing. I say bullshit.

It’s just like I said… those places with people destroying each other because of cultural conflict are doing so because they refuse to accept each others cultures and cultural differences, and insist on making the other side conform to their own culture. Thus you will inventively have conflict. But just because two idiots cant get along because of their cultural differences doesn’t mean multiculturalism on the whole is a bad thing.

Um.. for all of recorded history, in every single country.. there is a distinct culture clash. It's only natural to find your own group/race/religion and stick wit them. They're what's comfortable for most people. It's also natural to fear the unknown. I for one, am scared as hell of the bible belt in America. Jesus is everywhere outside of major cities. And with quite a presence in the big cities, too. A lil too much religious vanity and wanton zealotry for my tastes. They've got a dozen TV channels, churches everywhere, they send out mailers for all the different variations on Jesus they have.. and they're never happy. Like what the hell was Band-Aid about?! Anybody remember that? Bring Xmas to third world countries.. sheesh, get a hobby besides invading other cultures and ******* my games and movies to be sanitized of anything realistic! Pricks.

ANYWAY.. those societies that refuse to accept each other? Lol.. lemme tell ya a story. This one time over in the sandbox, American soldier speaks to Muslim soldier. Talking about religious differences. Muslim soldier says my good Jewish people dont have morals or even a bible. Point is then made that we both have the old testament. Muslim gets furious and smacks soldier. Needless to say I.. ahem, American soldier gets up and knocks the ****** hell outta him.

Certain religions raise certain members to demonize their enemies. To even begin to identify or *accept* someone else is totally *****. The same thing is happening in America. There's a widespread fear of pretty much everything. Foreigners, terrorists, muggings and burglars..death and disease..demons and devils.

But so many of these same people have absolutely no idea what they're afraid of. Unless you live in a MAJOR city.. you're never going to see muslims or hindus. Crime is relatively low in major cities. It's almost unheard of 20 miles outside of this city, that town.. etc. Death? People are living longer and longer. Bodies are taking extra long to even DECAY with all the preservatives we're pumping into our foods and ultimately, OURSELVES. All that demonic, satan crap.. oh man. Everything bad is satan's handiwork and jesus should save all of us. Call this toll free number, now! :Benny Hinn's tooth gleams to the camera:

A ***? Absolutely. A thief never knows whether that next guy is strapped or not.

Husband gone crazy? He usually stalks his wife and **** with a rifle or a shotty he bought from Wal-Mart. NOT an assault weapon.

Gang members? They can get assault weapons same as everyone else can. I s'pose the best difference between legitimate user and Mr. Thugg B. Quik is that the legitimate guy doesnt really bring make me feel secure if he's behind bars. :shrug:

 

[Werewolf]

You didn't do your homework. (*rolls eyes*) :nono:

If you really believe in that **** you're posting that's your thing. Sorry if my English isn't good enough, but are you saying that everyone should have weapons, because they are afraid of each other?

Multi-culturalism doesn't work? That's Racism!


Americans are a mix of people from all around the world. And the U.S.A. were built on ******** (against American Natives, Slaves and themselves) but we are in 21st century now. There should be no need to **** each other anymore...

Yes the nnumber of firearms killings rose in those years (don`t know about the last 8 years) but partly because it was easy then to get a weapon from Russian soldiers who were returning or from the weapn lairs of the GDR Army.