Arizona Immigration Bill PASSES!!

[Facetious]

Let's get some meaningful reform in place that's fair,

I like your well balanced and pragmatic approach, Rey, I really do (and I'm not being facetious ) but what happens when the ''immigrees'' defy what's written in the reform legislation, right ?
Why should they respect us, we're the one's making the concessions ?

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I like your well balanced and pragmatic approach, Rey, I really do (and I'm not being facetious ) but what happens when the ''immigrees'' defy what's written in the reform legislation, right ?
Why should they respect us, we're the one's making the concessions ?

They'll "respect" us when they get the American Southwest back. Best believe those who comprise LaRaza and their ilk have little intention of letting go of those pipe dreams of taking back that land from the gringo.

 

[Hot Mega]

I like your well balanced and pragmatic approach, Rey, I really do (and I'm not being facetious ) but what happens when the ''immigrees'' defy what's written in the reform legislation, right ?
Why should they respect us, we're the one's making the concessions ?

Their compliance isn't necessary to our reform.

Frankly I'm not sure what reform is needed beyond enforcing control of our borders.

These are rag-tag, relatively unsophisticated people traversing barren terrain to get here. We can't (won't?) stop that??? Ya know, the whole ounce of prevention thing?:yinyang:

Beyond that, our social benefits don't attract them here...these people come here to work. Or as the her-o to many of you (GWB) once alleged, they come here to do jobs (presumably lazy) "Americans won't do". (You guys let him get away with THAT "anti-American" tripe???)

There are Americans who hire these people and THAT attracts them here. Plug that leak and you go a long way to stopping the flood. Certainly much further that having police nagging everyone they think is here illegally to play a game of catch and release with them. I mean you drop them over the border, why wouldn't they simply come right back (as they commonly do in those situations)?

How much is that operation going to cost ultimately?

 

[Trident1]

Arizona stood up for itself which is a no no to liberals who would see the whole state overrun with illegals. Of course many liberals would never want those same illegals living in their swanky neighborhoods......................across town would be much better.

 

[Jane Burgess]

Just because someone is not an American citizen does not mean they are not entitled to basic human rights. You can not commit a crime against a person, legal citizen or not, and escape persecution. You can not let a person die in the streets in this country because they are not a citizen or because they can't afford to pay for healthcare. You do not have the right to harass someone just because you don't like them.

What are "illegals" protesting over anyway? What protests are you talking about specifically?

You have closed off your thinking to an alarming degree.


You're joking right? Can you back this up? I find it hard to believe that Arizonans would endorse a tax increase as opposed to the usual: cut education, cut health, cut welfare, cut business taxes, etc.

No one said to let them die. If you knew anything about this you would not write gibberish. They are not going to just randomly stop someone and ask for proof of US citizenship.

They are protesting over this bill. They act like they have the same rights that we do, which they do not. I can't just go into Canada illegally and demand the same rights as a Canadian citizen. They would not give it to me, they would just deport me.

70 percent of this state supports this law. They are tired of the drain illegals financially put on this state. If you think they do not think they would pay a tax increase you are 100 percent wrong. I love how you don't live in this state, but you try and tell me what is going on here.

I have not closed off my thinking. I am all for people making a better life, just do it legally.

 

[izabelplayer]

great comment jane. i totally agree with what you said.

 

[Jane Burgess]

Not sure most Latinos separate themselves among nationalities when it comes to what they perceive to be in the interests of Latinos. Latinos of Cuban origin being the exception as they generally have a different (single issue) agenda...getting Americans to give a shit about what kind of g'ment Cuba has.

Well the debate is about whether some should have access to services. But you are technically wrong. All people here in the US have some basic rights regardless of their citizenship status (i.e. You still have the right against being murdered, raped, etc. no matter if you're here legally or not.)



What exactly aren't the Feds doing? We have a border check point, agencies which interdict illegal border crossings, etc. Just because the efforts are not as effective as we would like doesn't mean the Feds aren't on the job. Like saying cops aren't doing their jobs because crime isn't at zero pct.

BTW, I'm still the only, "...don't care.."vote. :bigjump:

PS...Wanna to bitch about illegal immigration? Bitch at the people who hire them...not g'ment for not being able to trap every fly (as it were). If we've learned anything from the Great Recession is that if there are no jobs...you don't need to round them up or build fences..they will go home on their own.:2 cents:

As a Cuban I had no idea that was our agenda. Do you ever get sick of your postings that are basically just you spouting off at the mouth? Then again you think the goverenment is doing a good job and Obama rocks.

 

[Jane Burgess]

Damn Jane you have a GREAT way of saying exactly what I think...way to go :nanner:

Quite some time back we were considering moving to Australia and one of the requirements is that you have proof that you have $100,000 liquid assets on the way in so you never have to use any of their social services...might be a great thought for the US!!

That is what I find crazy about this whole debate. Other countries would never allow this to happen. You go to Europe and you can be stopped at anytime and asked for your passport. Yet when a state wants to crack down on illegal aliens it is a big deal. Suddenly we are racist. I guess it never occured to people that a lot of us Hispanics support this bill. How the hell am I racist against my own race? This is for all illegals not just mexicans. I wish people would know what the hell they are talking about before posting about this subject. :2 cents:

 

[Jane Burgess]

Good for Arizona. I hope Texas follows soon.

Actually they are working on a similar bill right now. :thumbsup:

 

[Death-Proof-69]

That is what I find crazy about this whole debate. Other countries would never allow this to happen. You go to Europe and you can be stopped at anytime and asked for your passport. Yet when a state wants to crack down on illegal aliens it is a big deal. Suddenly we are racist. I guess it never occured to people that a lot of us Hispanics support this bill. How the hell am I racist against my own race? This is for all illegals not just mexicans. I wish people would know what the hell they are talking about before posting about this subject. :2 cents:

unfortunately flagrant ignorance is one of the things that we will never see a shortage of in society...there's nothing at all wrong with being ignorant of something, i just wish more people would have the decency to realize and admit it before running their mouth

 

[BDwestcoast]

San Francisco is getting involved in this in a bad way. They are looking at ways to boycott Arizona by not allowing city employees to handle any business in Arizona.
This + Environmental Regulations = Great news for the Bay Area economy.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...izona-travel-due-to-arizona-immigration-law/1

 

[Supafly]

That is what I find crazy about this whole debate. Other countries would never allow this to happen. You go to Europe and you can be stopped at anytime and asked for your passport. Yet when a state wants to crack down on illegal aliens it is a big deal. Suddenly we are racist. I guess it never occured to people that a lot of us Hispanics support this bill. How the hell am I racist against my own race? This is for all illegals not just mexicans. I wish people would know what the hell they are talking about before posting about this subject. :2 cents:

Exactly. Police officers in Germany are allowed to stop any person on the street and have them show their identification card. It is not strictly law to carry that on you, but if you don't they are allowed to keep you around until your identity is clarified. If not, you will be taken to the police station and things get sorted out there.

What are the laws concerning this in the USA?

 

[Death-Proof-69]

Exactly. Police officers in Germany are allowed to stop any person on the street and have them show their identification card. It is not strictly law to carry that on you, but if you don't they are allowed to keep you around until your identity is clarified. If not, you will be taken to the police station and things get sorted out there.

What are the laws concerning this in the USA?

i'm not sure on the specifics of the law regarding this but i believe you can be asked to provide identification at any time by a cop although it is almost unheard of in most states unless there is some sort of incident that the police become involved in (border states being an exception if you fit the illegal immigrant profile i'm sure)...usually if you don't have I.D. on your person you can simply give them your full name and some other piece(s) of information which is more often than not sufficient...

 

[Hot Mega]

As a Cuban I had no idea that was our agenda. Do you ever get sick of your postings that are basically just you spouting off at the mouth? Then again you think the goverenment is doing a good job and Obama rocks.

Thought you were a 'Maarcan".

But anyway, do I ever get sick of my postings?? Hmmm, let me think about that.

And yeah, Americans of Cuban descent usually have a single interest when it comes to their lobby; getting Americans to care about ousting Communism in Cuba. Who doesn't know that??

BTW, I think the g'ment is doing whatever it's and the results will be what they are.

I don't think Obama "rocks"....I agree with many of his positions. I'm not a fan of any politician likes some idiots are of Palin and others.. Idiots like that think in those terms. There's nothing fanworthy about agreeing with a politician. But I guess some of you will figure that out one day.

 

[TheAdmiral]

I think it's great that it happened, it's a step in the right direction

 

[HELLRAISER]

This racist law exposes the cowardice and hypocrisy of so-called Conservatives that make up the majority of the GOP. Ironically, these GeneriCons claim to be against Big Government yet expand the power of government rather then diminish it by turning Arizona into a police state by creating laws to alienate, scapegoat and persecute any indigenous Brown skinned person.

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/KeefeM/2010/KeefeM20100424_low.jpg

 

[Philbert]

This racist law exposes the cowardice and hypocrisy of so-called Conservatives that make up the majority of the GOP. Ironically, these GeneriCons claim to be against Big Government yet expand the power of government rather then diminish it by turning Arizona into a police state by creating laws to alienate, scapegoat and persecute any indigenous Brown skinned person.

Eventually someone will get you to notice how rabid (final stages) you come off...
This is, even for you, a simpleminded meaningless post with no point except "GOP all bad, sputter sputter ackk ackk sputter"!
Gee...how does this law encourage messing with any indigenous Brown skinned person? Since if they are indigenous they would be native born and legally there?
You have become the No. 1 advertisement for the GOP...as in "see what kinda loons make up the Demotard Party"? Keep up the paranoid and foaming at the mouth level posting...you are an integral part of the entertainment at FreeOnes!:thumbsup:

:rofl:

 

[drf]

May I see your papers, please?! Ah, facsism is always a sign of good governnent.

 

[Jagger69]

Good for Arizona. I hope Texas follows soon.

Actually they are working on a similar bill right now. :thumbsup:

In today's Houston Chronicle:

Texas lawmakers closely watching Arizona


By PEGGY FIKAC
AUSTIN BUREAU
April 27, 2010, 8:53PM

AUSTIN — Texas lawmakers are closely watching Arizona's get-tough immigration law, with some Republicans saying they will push for similar action here while Democrats say the legislation is wrongheaded and the GOP would suffer politically for the attempt.

“The first priority for any elected official is to make sure that the safety and security of Texans is well-established,” said Rep. Debbie Riddle, R-Tomball. “If our federal government did their job, then Arizona wouldn't have to take this action, and neither would Texas.”

Riddle introduced a similar measure last legislative session — it stalled in committee — and said she will do the same when the Legislature meets in regular session in January.

Sen. Leticia Van de Putte, D-San Antonio, called the Arizona law “extremely damaging and hateful” and said any attempt to replicate it in Texas would not pass, but would damage the GOP.

Any such measure that gains traction “just adds to the Democratic side,” said Van de Putte, a former president of the National Hispanic Caucus of State Legislators.

She said she has scotched Arizona travel plans.

“I will not step into that state, and every single group that I'm a part of, if they plan a meeting there, I will not go, and I will ask all of my colleagues to please not go,” she said. “If my family would be treated differently just because of the color of their skin, then I don't want to be in that state.”

‘A different relationship'

The Arizona law, which has sparked protests and questions over its constitutionality, would require local and state lawmen to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to believe they may be in the country illegally. The measure would make it a crime under Arizona state law if immigrants lack registration documents. They could face arrest, a jail term of up to six months and a fine.

Jim Harrington, of the Texas Civil Rights Project, predicted “zero” chance of a similar effort here, saying Texas has “a different relationship with the Hispanic community.”

Such a push “would cause an enormous political transformation of the state a lot quicker than it's happening at this point,” Harrington said. “It would galvanize the Hispanic community astronomically.”

Asked about the Arizona law, GOP Gov. Rick Perry and his Democratic challenger, Bill White, emphasized through spokespeople that immigration is a federal responsibility.

“You can take the political temperature by just looking at Rick Perry being quiet,” Harrington said.

In Washington, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told a U.S. Senate hearing Tuesday that the Obama administration has concerns about Arizona's action and that a Justice Department review is under way to determine the law's constitutionality.

“We believe it will detract from and siphon resources that we need to focus on those in the country illegally who are committing the most serious crimes in addition to violating our nation's immigration laws,” said Napolitano, who was governor of Arizona until joining the Obama administration.
Seen as misguided

Even if the Arizona law is constitutional, she said it is misguided because it would hamper trust between law enforcement investigating crimes such as domestic violence, human trafficking, even routine traffic accidents. Napolitano said she hoped the federal government's review would be complete before the Arizona law takes effect in late July or early August.

The Texas Association of Business' Bill Hammond said that while it is likely similar legislation will be filed in the Lone Star State, “I think and hope there's little likelihood the Texas Legislature would pass anything so misguided as what they've done in Arizona. I think it is blatantly unconstitutional.”

‘Proud of Arizona'

Whether the Arizona move could increase immigration to Texas is an open question. Harrington said he does not think so, partly because people who go to Arizona typically come from a different part of Mexico than those who come to Texas.

But Rep. David Swinford, R-Dumas, former State Affairs Committee chairman who did not advance immigration measures in 2007 because he said he was advised they would violate constitutional standards, said the Arizona action could increase immigration to Texas. He said he expects a similar push here but also expects Arizona to face a court fight.

“I'm real proud of Arizona,” said Swinford. “A lot of this stuff we wanted to do, we just couldn't do because I didn't want Texas going bankrupt trying to defend it in the courts. ...”

Link is here:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6978757.html

When I go to Wal-Mart, the cashier asks me to show my ID if I use my credit card. Are they profiling upper-middle class white people??? Now, if they demanded to search my car while they were at it....that's a different story.

Being asked to prove your identity is not a violation of human rights from my viewpoint.

 

[Hot Mega]

In today's Houston Chronicle:

Texas lawmakers closely watching Arizona

To see one thing...how to use it as a political tool.

Being asked to prove your identity is not a violation of human rights from my viewpoint.

It's never a "human rights" violation and nor is proving it if you want admittance to some age restricted place or to buy some age restricted product, apply for a job, etc.

To me it's a 4th amendment question. If LE is looking for a specific looking person for a specific crime and they correspondingly have a specific enough description...they have a legal probable cause to detain, ID and question people fitting that description.

Suspecting someone is here illegally is not one of the exceptions in the 4th Amendment to searches without a warrant (which is again what cops are doing when they ask you to produce ID).

Aside from that, if this "Governor" were serious about the issue she would assign her state police to augment US Border Patrol in some inter-agency effort or have them trained and assign them directly to border enforcement duty.

As it stands, this is just at best another clumsy overreach by a doofus GOPer at worse more wedge issue politicking and pandering.