Appeals court allows prayer at Texas graduation

[HELLRAISER]

WTF?!? Kiss and say goodbye to separation of church and state when politicians use God to erode civil liberties

SAN ANTONIO (Reuters) - A federal appeals court ruled on Friday afternoon that students may pray and mention God at Saturday night's graduation at a high school in a San Antonio suburb, overturning a district judge's ruling.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/03/appeals-court-allows-prayer-at-texas-graduation/

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

What the fuck? There is no mention of the separation of church and state in the constitution. The first amendment says that there shall be no sanctioned state religion. It allows for freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

Good for the school for not rolling over and showing their belly to a bunch of misguided assholes.

The quote in your signature is the biggest load of shit I have ever read. When I was a squad leader in the Corps we'd get inferior, incompetent replacements every once in a while. The most I could do is train them to a level of competency that would enable them to survive combat but I rarely wanted to share a Humvee with them.

The real definition of what a conservative is this: A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged by reality.

Also, who the fuck let you back in?

 

[PirateKing]

Kinda goes both ways. Can't really deny a person the right to religious expression. If you're making someone pray then it's a completely different story but from what I gather students don't have to bow their head along in prayer at the graduation if they don't want to. Plus, students don't have to specifically pray to the Christian god. I assume this gives people the liberty to pray to whomever.

 

[Ulysses31]

Kinda goes both ways. Can't really deny a person the right to religious expression. If you're making someone pray then it's a completely different story but from what I assume students don't have to bow their head along in prayer if they don't want to.

Must be an American thing. People never praise God in speeches here in the UK and it's frowned upon if politicians ever talk about God although it seems to be the opposite in America where every politician seems to have to prove they are religious and go to Church. It wouldn't bother me if someone wants to pray or mention God as long as I don't have to join in, let them do what they feel is important to them.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

So? You let those bitch "non-believers" not pray if they want. Equality, muthafucka!

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

So? You let those bitch "non-believers" not pray if they want. Equality, muthafucka!

Fuckin' A!:horse:

 

[RichardNailder]

Why the fuck would you care either way - I can ignore the weak little fucks while they honor their fictional friend.

 

[D-rock]

As long as it's government officials in the course of their job and or somebody directly linked with an official government function (like a student giving a speech at the official graduation ceremony), then I don't think it should be allowed.

Often in graduation ceremonies around here there will be events that didn't involve the school at a local place of prayer that many of the students and people around them independently went for prayers and to be together. It worked great. It didn't violate anybody's rights. It didn't cause any trouble, and it was a logical and reasonable solution.

What the fuck? There is no mention of the separation of church and state in the constitution. The first amendment says that there shall be no sanctioned state religion. It allows for freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

It's impossible in reality to have freedom of religion without freedom from religion. It's similar in the way that "separate but equal" is pretty much utterly impossible in reality and isn't allowed(Yet technically it's not disallowed under the strict wording of the Constitution either. [Don't believe me? Go check it for yourself.] I bet your not going to be in a rush to jump on that are you and allow that are you.)

How much you want to bet if this was somebody that believed in Islam, a Wicken, or even somebody that was a Scientologist or was somebody that thought they were Satanist saying a prayer all those conservative Christians there would be all up in arms and think it was absolutely terrible. It's not their ceremony it's everybody's ceremony.

 

[Connor Macleod]

Must be an American thing. People never praise God in speeches here in the UK and it's frowned upon if politicians ever talk about God although it seems to be the opposite in America where every politician seems to have to prove they are religious and go to Church. It wouldn't bother me if someone wants to pray or mention God as long as I don't have to join in, let them do what they feel is important to them.

The problem with a lot of Americans (not me) is a misguided notion that they have the right to know every detail about the personal lives
of celebrities/politicians. Plus, there's so many religions, people over here want to know if they believe/share the same values as the celebrities/politicians. Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, Mormons, Muslims, Jews, and the list goes on.

 

[grower_boy]

If I were there, I'd pray with my arms open during the prayer. :1orglaugh

Those middle America bastards will do whatever it takes to get their way. These are the same people who think that owning an AK47 is sensible while owning a sex toy is not.

 

[TheOrangeCat]

According to my extensive research (Wikipedia) only Turkey and the Philippines have specific (constitutional) law requiring separation.

Regardless, what does a school graduation have to do with 'the state'? A typical non-story.

 

[freeryan]

People still don't understand that prayer is a direct insult to the supposed wisdom of the god these people believe in. It's also an insult to you and the people that helped you if this prayer was used to give thanks to a being that tortures "people" for a finite crime.