Thanks - Yup, read and commented on that one.
Hey, I've been called a right winger (or something like that) on here.
Ann Coulter: Gun Crime Is 'Demographic Problem'
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Thanks - Yup, read and commented on that one.
Hey, I've been called a right winger (or something like that) on here.
Funny you mention West Virginia, Mississippi and Alabama who, according to census data, rank 49th, 50th and 44th respectively in per capita income among the 50 states yet rank 38th, 33rd and 21st respectively in violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants among the 50 states. Meaning 90% of states have more income per capita, yet 40% of states are more violent. She didn't mention West Virginia, Mississippi or Alabama because they are essentially irrelevant to the conversation of violent crime.
But the left keeps telling us guns are the cause of crime, now its poverty? This is a confusing topic.
There are more than a few examples of posts in that thread generally stating something to the effect of "I dislike him, but he makes a good point..." Even you state that "while I pretty much agree with most of what already been said about Moore, his opinion on this is pretty dead on." Nothing wrong with disliking someone, but to disregard and to claim false an argument based on your personal opinion of the individual making it is childish.
You know I got love for you Rey but let's see some stats, eh brah? I really don't feel like digging right now as I take my nap before work but I'd really like you to back this claim up with some statistics.
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Be it Ann Coulter or Michael Moore, credibility and motivation of the source must always come into question.
Doing the right thing for your children from their birth will curb crime. I don't care how tough times and situations may be, make the tough decisions. Sacrifice. It's too easy to play the blame game on environment outside the home. The first time you let your kid's hand go is off to kindergarten. Don't stop there and think the school should take over your parenthood. Open your eyes and see what is going on in there. When they want to visit a friend, know where they are going. When in doubt say no. My guess is that none of us here are not criminals. Some things taught to us early have gotten us to the point that we have electricity and a computer and the ability to organize thoughts. Ask yourself why that this is and we will all come up with the same answers.
Doing the right thing for your children from their birth will curb crime. I don't care how tough times and situations may be, make the tough decisions. Sacrifice. It's too easy to play the blame game on environment outside the home. The first time you let your kid's hand go is off to kindergarten. Don't stop there and think the school should take over your parenthood. Open your eyes and see what is going on in there. When they want to visit a friend, know where they are going. When in doubt say no. My guess is that none of us here are not criminals. Some things taught to us early have gotten us to the point that we have electricity and a computer and the ability to organize thoughts. Ask yourself why that this is and we will all come up with the same answers.
Darn! Wanted to rep this. I couldn't. Guess I keep rep'ing you.
Rey C.
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Riddle me this: what is the most common, almost universal trait shared among the violent inmate population in West Virginia, Mississippi and Alabama... Maryland, Alaska and New Jersey? Poorest to richest, what is the most common trait among the violent inmate populations in all states or any individual state? Do wealthy, well educated Blacks or Hispanics commit violent crimes at a higher rate than wealthy, well educated Whites... or poor, less educated Whites? In West Virginia, Mississippi and Alabama, is the rate of violent crime commission among wealthy, well educated Whites the same as that among poor, less educated Whites? For Coulter (and you?) to have a valid correlation, you need have a couple of check marks there. But I don't believe you have any.
Coulter is simply trying to use tired, typical "dog whistle" tactics to appeal to her "base" - that's why I mentioned those particular (red) states. She didn't mention them for the same reason that Romney skipped over mentioning the fact that several of the states that he carried were actually the 47%'ers/takers that he condemned. It's one thing to call another guy's sister a slut, but you don't talk about your own kin, right?
Folks, I'm not sure why you can't see it. But until you GOP'ers start learning to stop being divisive and exclusive, the math is going to increasingly provide you with a headwind in future national elections. And it's people like Coulter who are helping to make your tent ever smaller by the day. Unless you can think of some way to gerrymander your way into the White House, my old HP-12C says that you may have a severe (numbers) problem with your current divide & conquer strategy. I hear you're only a couple of election cycles from Texas turning purple. Uh oh!!! :eek:
And what is the racial makeup of those violent criminals? If poverty, moreso than race, accounts for tendency towards crime then why do the black/Hispanic inmate populations of West Virginia, Mississippi and Alabama outnumber the white inmate population 6/1, 4.7/1 and 3.2/1 respectively while making up less than half of the entire population of each state as a whole? In West Virginia B/H individuals represent just a fraction, 4.8%, of the total population, yet represent 86% of all inmates. In Mississippi B/H individuals represent 40% of the population and 82.4% of all inmates. In Alabama B/H individuals make up 30.5% of the population and account for 77.5% of all inmates. This can't be explained away as an anomaly, or as simple police/law enforcement bias.
And, since you mention it:
-Maryland: B/H 38.4% of total population and 84.5% of prison population.
-Alaska: B/H 9.5% of the total population and 83.5% of prison population.
-New Jersey: B/H 32.7% of total population and 94% of prison population.
The study published with the title "The Color of Crime," states very clearly that:
And while I understand that more than a few individuals have disregarded this research as "racist" and "biased" (for the sole reason that it talks about race) I still have yet to see anyone actually disprove the conclusions provided within it.
Even further, why then are we seeing a trend between the rise in poverty and the decline in violent crime as an inverse correlation? Over the past 10 years poverty has grown by nearly 4% nationally, while violent crime rates have been steadily declining... Shouldn't, according to your hypothesis, more poverty mean more violent crime? If more people are poor, then why are violent crime rates dropping? Your conclusion, in the face of facts, doesn't seem to hold much water.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Maybe I should send Annie Coulter a book I read in college, in which it was claimed that criminal behavior could be predicted by head size and shape. I suspect Coulter would be quite interested in the writings of Cesare Lombroso and his attempts to find statistically significant proof that criminal behavior could be predicted and criminal traits were born within certain people or types of people.
And I wonder if she shed a tear last year when one of her peeps took the long dirt nap?
But for Scott:
And I wonder if she shed a tear last year when one of her peeps took the long dirt nap?
But for Scott:
And for Plumprump:
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
It is not my hypothesis... it's not even an hypothesis. As I clearly stated, the data was from a study I read several years ago. Was it valid? I don't know... any more than you *know* that the data you are presenting is valid. But to your question, in order for poverty to mean more crime, then poverty would have to be a causal factor. No such claim has been made by me. There is a distinct difference between correlations and causation. In both of my posts I mentioned common traits and correlations. I did not mention causation. In fact, I even said that I don't know why people do what they do - because I really don't know why people do what they do. The first thing one learns in Statistics 101 is that even the strongest correlation does not prove (or even imply) causation. And the surest way to identify someone with an agenda is their speed in suggesting that correlations are in fact causations. To prove causation, one generally needs experimental data - what we have here is observational data.
I was also quite clear in pointing out the correlation between crime and race - no where did I say that it didn't exist... quite the opposite. But the data I have seen suggests that the correlation between crime and the socio-economic variables I mentioned were stronger than the correlation between crime and race. That your mileage varies is not my problem. So before my words or meanings are any further twisted, let's see what I actually said:
Which was followed by this statistic:
Maybe if I watched more Fox News and listened to Ann Coult#r, I would understand how to properly use statistics. Good thing I don't have to use statistics in my day job, huh?
Sooooooo....According to Ann Coulter, the reason Russia has the 5th highest murder rate(Despite strict gun control laws. Not sure who benefits the most from that tid bit of info) and 3rd highest inmate population per capita is because of all the Blacks and Hispanics?:dunno: Did I miss something? I am well aware that she was talking about gun crime, but the direction of this thread is pointing to crime in general which isn't really breaking topic much.
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