American Sniper

I don't think snipers are cowards. But they definzteluy don't deserves as much respect as soldiers or aircraft pilots, 'cause they don't put their lives at risk like these people.

Anyway, who still gives any credit to Micheal Moore ? Even a european liberal (some would say a socialist) like me don't think this moron deserves any credit, that what he says is just 100% anti-american bullshit.
 
I don't think snipers are cowards. But they definzteluy don't deserves as much respect as soldiers or aircraft pilots, 'cause they don't put their lives at risk like these people.

Yeah, sure they don't. Chris Kyle had a bounty on his head FYI.
 

Mayhem

Banned
I don't think snipers are cowards. But they definzteluy don't deserves as much respect as soldiers or aircraft pilots, 'cause they don't put their lives at risk like these people.

You have absolutely no clue of what you're talking about.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
If you haven't learned by now I like to pick on xman, he gets almost adorably testy sometimes. if he were a chick, I'd ask him out. :)

That would imply that you think you've got the upper hand, just feeding your delusions if that's the case. You'd be a better match for my sister, she's a typical sand-in-the-vagina conservative, You Might loosen her up, but I doubt it.
 
That would imply that you think you've got the upper hand, just feeding your delusions if that's the case. You'd be a better match for sister, she's a typical sand-in-the-vagina conservative, you might loosen her up, but I doubt it.

Is she hot?
 
Animus, the worst thing you can do is give these non-entities a moments thought. When I was perusing the headlines, I saw Michael Moore's name and immediately thought, "Of course." And that is all the heartrate, blood pressure and intestinal lining he's going to get from me. He's not worth getting upset at because he's dead to me. And he will remain so.

And I don't have a clear idea who Seth Rogen is, but he's probably just one more Hollywood fevered ego. Most likely the biggest danger he's ever faced was a spider in the kitchen.

Don't let the non-existent worry you. And don't think for a second that they speak for Liberals. Not even close.

But...I'm lying a little bit. Thanks to them, I'm rewatching Band of Brothers. That'll show 'em.

sage advice.

would rep if I could.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Well, don't turn your back to the enemy then. Or was he running away...

I always admired snipers. I've read stories of snipers in WW2, laying still in the mud and cold, sometimes with tanks almost crushing them when they pass by, and just waiting there for hours so they can fire that one shot and take out an officer. Or stalling an attack and giving troops a change to save retreat because the enemy had to figure out how to take out the damn sniper that kept killing them one by one. These people have some serious skills and probably saved A LOT of lives.

Haven't seen the movie yet. I just hope Hollywood didn't fuck it up to much.

If you want to read about an amazing sniper, look up a soldier named Carlos Hathcock. I think you will find it a very worth while read.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Carlos Hathcock wasn't a *shudder* soldier. He was a legendary Marine Corps sniper. "Carlos Hathcock: White Feather USMC Scout/Sniper" was on the Commandant's list of required reading when I was in the Corps. I may have been the only guy in my platoon who did actually read it. His exploits were the stuff that people should know about. His stalking skills and his patience are nearly unbelievable. Taking three days to crawl through 100 yards of elephant grass to take out an NVA general; and then taking another few days to back out the way he came so as not to disturb the foliage. And after that receiving third degree burns over much of his upper body while pulling seven Marines out of a burning Amtrak. The only thing that ever kicked his ass was Multiple Sclerosis.

Check that. It was 1500 yards, but still.
 

GodsEmbryo

Closed Account
If you want to read about an amazing sniper, look up a soldier named Carlos Hathcock. I think you will find it a very worth while read.

Carlos Hathcock wasn't a *shudder* soldier. He was a legendary Marine Corps sniper. "Carlos Hathcock: White Feather USMC Scout/Sniper" was on the Commandant's list of required reading when I was in the Corps. [...]

Will read that.
 
Saw the film last night. The first film I ever remember seeing Bradley Cooper in was The Wedding Crashers. He is one of Hollywood's best actors at the moment. Just a phenomenal job in Sniper.
 
I read a story this morning about how this film is being received in the arab world, particularly in Iraq. It's been banned in Baghdad theaters but the Kurds up north love it.
 

bahodeme

Closed Account
For all:
If you can, one show to watch is "Sniper-Inside the Crosshairs". There was another by The Military Channel about the history and evolution of snipers from The Revolutionary War to today. That one, mentioned a Russian woman who received a medal for her shooting in WWII.
Also Ace, don't forget about Carlos shooting the enemy sniper though the his scope. Which they used in the movie Sniper with Tom Berenger.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
This is without question one of the best movies I have ever seen. The director didn't ham it up or over-dramatize it too much, they didn't ruin it with needless sex scenes and special effects and the script and acting were superb. I didn't realize that I had read a news story about the final scene until near the very end of the movie.

Well, I guess Hollyweird can make a good & decent movie after all.... every ten years or so.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
For an Eastwood film, I thought the movie was somewhat lacking (especially compared to the likes of Mystic River, Unforgiven, High Plains Drifter and Gran Torino). It was, however, a very powerful film in a number of ways. Here's an interesting viewpoint with which I happen to concur:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/27/opinion/obeidallah-american-sniper/index.html

I had to see the movie "American Sniper." Not because of the Oscar buzz but because of the vicious anti-Muslim and anti-Arab comments posted by some on social media after seeing the film.

As Samer Khalaf, the president of the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, noted, there have been hundreds of violent messages on Facebook and Twitter directed against Arabs and Muslims made by people who had seen "American Sniper."

For example, tweets such as, "Great f*@##@* movie and now I really want to kill some f*@##@* ragheads," "Nice to see a movie where the Arabs are portrayed for who they really are-vermin scum intent on destroying us" and "American Sniper made me...hate Muslims 1000000X more."

Being of Arab heritage and Muslim, I had to know: Did the film really portray Arabs and Muslims in way that would naturally draw these types of hateful comments? Was the film a jingoistic jubilee, like a "Top Gun" for a new generation, but where the Muslims/Arabs are now the "evil empire" instead of the Soviet Union?

What did I find? The film was not any of those things. "American Sniper" is the most powerful anti-war film I have ever seen.

True, the film is based on the autobiography of Chris Kyle, the decorated Navy Seal sniper who recorded the most "kills" in U.S. military history. That fact is likely the reason some on the right have championed the film as a pro-war anthem.

But "American Sniper" is becoming as misunderstood as Bruce Springsteen's classic song, "Born in the U.S.A." Republicans from Ronald Reagan on have played that song at their campaign events believing it to be a pro-America celebratory anthem. It's anything but that.

The lyrics of "Born in the U.S.A" poignantly criticize the Vietnam War and the way our country treated its veterans after their return to the states. Many didn't listen to the words and so missed Springsteen's point. It's like this with "American Sniper."

The film does more than portray the horrors of war. That we have seen before. Instead, it focuses on the horrors that come after: the post-war suffering when those who have served come home.

Director Clint Eastwood gives us a parade of veterans who have been wounded in some fashion: Lost legs, lost arms, lost hands, lost souls. Even veterans who appear intact at first glance, turn out to be far from it. For example, one scene features a veteran in an auto repair garage back in the United States. He recognizes Kyle and after speaking to him for a minute, raises his pant leg to show he is missing a leg.

It's not surprising Eastwood would make an anti-war movie. The usually tight-lipped Eastwood recently commented, "contrary to public opinion, I abhor violence." And Eastwood has not only publicly opposed to the Iraq war, he even questioned waging the war in Afghanistan.

As to my original reason for seeing the film, to learn whether it incites hatred of Muslims and Arabs? Well, I don't think you are going to like our communities more after seeing the film. But I'm fairly confident that those who made hateful comments about Arabs and Muslim hated us before they stepped into the movie theater. The film just gave them an excuse to voice their bigotry.

It's important to note: Kyle was not killed by an Iraqi, but according to police, by a U.S. veteran who allegedly had PTSD. It happened long after he'd returned from the battlefield. He was back home. If people are angry with that or about the fate of the other Americans who suffered in the war, they should focus should not on American Muslims but on those who led our country into a war based on questionable reasons.

That doesn't mean I don't wish Eastwood made a more balanced film that would let audiences see the brutality and suffering of both sides in the conflict. There isn't any reference, for example, to the horrors of Abu Ghraib prison where U.S. soldiers infamously tortured Iraqis. Nor was there any reference to the 2006 massacre in Haditha, Iraq, which happened during the period Kyle was in Iraq. That's when U.S. Marines went on a killing spree and slaughtered 24 unarmed Iraqis including women, children and an elderly man in a wheel chair.

And Eastwood's depiction of the Iraqis was almost comically without nuance. Forget character development; the Iraqi version of Kyle, for example -- a sniper known as "Mustafa" -- barely registered as one-dimensional. He didn't even speak; he was simply depicted as a silent killing machine.

Was Eastwood's use of an almost video game-like violence when it came to killing Iraqis calculated to dehumanize the Iraqi people? I don't think so.

His focus was not on whom we were fighting, but the unbearably high price Americans pay for waging war regardless of its target. The film is a cautionary tale for Americans about why we must avoid war. It is not a celebration of waging it.

While "American Sniper" did garner an Oscar nomination for best picture, Eastwood was not nominated for best director. But Eastwood deserves a special award -- for making a powerful anti-war film that the right would cheer.
 
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