We're still in Germany and Italy. I'm pretty sure it's that kind of "over-watch" role we'll be filling that far down the road... assuming the entire Middle East doesn't just start nuking eachother. My money is on Israel just getting sick of everyone messing with them and start launching missiles into every country that surrounds them.
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But can you name any incident when Israel has attacked pre-emptively / aggressively?
Yes, you can! Lebanon 2006. Forget about Olmert... :crash: There'll be more adept administrations ahead. :shock:
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You and AFA are making fantastically great points on this subject, fascinating discussion. F.K. your post appeals to the sensibilities that most of us humans possess: compassion, an open mind, and the ability to look beyond immediate self when evaluating a situation and developing a policy. The problem now is that those in the Bush administration lack any of those qualities. American politics, and this administration in particular, is dominated by Double High Authoritarian/Social Dominator personalities. These are power mad maniacs with no desire for equality and a complete lack of morality that are in charge of our country right now. These people lack any regard for anything but their immediate gratification. They are mental midgets, whose psychological make up allow them only to stomp whatever is in their way, viewing any dissenting opinion as a severe threat to their mere survival. They have no ability to debate and lack the behavioral maturity needed for intelligent discussion with anyone except those who blindly follow their orders.
These are the overwhelmingly prevalent personalities at work in our government today. The neocons are fully entrenched in our power seats and are destroying any international good will this once great country ever had. What else should we expect. All you have to do is go to a Walmart and see the swirling cess pool of idiots that make up this nation's electoral population.
"Conservatives Without Conscience" by John Dean is a great book that details the ascent of the ultra conservative right over the last 30 years. I'm halfway through reading. So far he has detailed the psychological make up of the various mad men in power today. Hopefully the second half of the book has some good ideas as to what we, as citizens, can do to reverse the horrifying trend that is currently taking place in our country.
I'll let you know.
Once the US goes someplace, they tend not to leave. This article claims the US has military bases in around 130 countries, but I've heard other numbers.
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Right!
Six Day War: An anticipated Yom Kippur scenario was thwarted.... The greatest military achievement in human history! :bowdown:
Osirak: Israel made Colin Powell's reasoning obsolete. Begin was 12 years ahead of Bush before Dubya even realized there was a place like Iraq.
Please don't call these actions pre-emptive / aggressive. Just because Israel managed to act five minutes before its Arab counterparts could destroy it, doesn't mean that it went to war preposterously.
... I would have forgiven you mentioning Lebanon '82 .... including Sabra, Shatila and all...
That's a subject I don't know enough about. I was just backing up your assertion that it happens. One of the recent films I watched warned about the danger of trusting and then allowing military strikes as preemptive and that is what the Bush administration had/is planning and outright suggesting in terms of both Iraq and Iran.
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Cynical evaluation: You're right!
Re-Phrasing Sting: "Let's hope the Arabs love their ********, too."
It's pretty clear that the reason to go in Iraq was to increase US power in the area, and that most of the money was spent as payback in sweetheart deals to corporations in the military business and friends of the administration. 9/11 was the catalyst for the urgent need to get going against a threat that simply wasn't there. Their planning was and is non existant. Anyone voicing opposition to the proposals is removed. It does however follow in the mold of Wolfowitz's own pre 9/11 beliefs about a New American Century in which the US played a more strategic and aggressive role in the region. A build up of military might to just bash and lie about goals and functions in the future.
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The candidate Mitt Romney has already made a strong pre election commitment to building a vastly bigger, better military, so how much bigger does it have to get with no real threat from the Russians anymore?
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That's an interesting rundown of America's international military bases, too - I just saw Chalmers Johnson in one of those documentaries that AFA & I were talkin' about. Smart, interesting fellow!
I'm going to get Sorrows of Empire when I finish Fiasco and other books on my desk;
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He has softened his ads about that quite a bit. I think he's the whack job of the bunch. In one interview I saw, he condemned McCain for changing his position on issues and then the host show film clips of he himself changing his position, but according to Romney, that was different.
I think I was watching "Hardball" with Chris Matthews and his guests were joking that the latest criticism about Mitt is he looks more like a Nightly News Anchor then a president. I thought that was funny.
You're exactly right. When Mitt talks about other candidate's changing positions and flip-flopping...I just roll my eyes and laugh....
It's widely said the Bush administration is the best thing that could have happened to unifying Arabs the world over.
That's just another way of looking at the phrase "unifying Arabs the world over":thumbsup:
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