4 Problems That Could Sink America

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By Rick Newman Rick Newman – Wed Sep 2, 5:10 pm ET
If we're lucky, the recession is winding down, and life will start to feel a bit more comfortable before long. But that doesn't mean things will go back to the way they used to be.


The global recession that began in America's housing market has shaken the world's economic order and possibly knocked the United States down a notch or two. The spendthrift American consumer is out of money. American wages are flat. Despite some hopeful signs, the U.S. economy could muddle along for years.


[See why a housing rebound could take 20 years.]


Meanwhile, actions in China--rather than the United States--may have been the initial trigger for a global economic recovery. Many other nations will grow faster than the United States over the next few years and command an increasing share of the world's resources. "The message to Americans," says Mauro Guillen, an economist at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, "is you need to redouble your efforts to be more competitive."


American innovation has solved daunting problems before and could again. But it would be a mistake to assume that American prosperity will continue on some preordained upward course. Nations rise and fall, often realizing what happened only in retrospect. Here are four problems that are undermining our future prosperity:


We don't like to work. Sure, now that jobs are scarce, everybody's willing to put in a few extra hours to stay ahead of the ax. But look around: We still expect easy money, hope to retire early, and embrace the oversimplistic message of bestsellers like The One Minute Millionaire and The 4-Hour Workweek. Unfortunately, the rest of the world isn't sending as much money our way as it used to, which makes it harder to do less with more.


White-collar jobs are now migrating overseas just like blue-collar ones. Kids in Asia spend the summer studying math and science while American mall rats are texting each other about Britney and Miley. "We need a different mind-set," says Guillen "People need to invest more in their own future. Instead of buying stuff at the mall, spend the money on evening classes. Learn a language or skills you don't have."


I recently interviewed entrepreneur Gary Vaynerchuk, who transformed his father's neighborhood liquor store into a $60 million business anchored by the website winelibrarytv.com. An overnight success? Hardly. Vaynerchuk has big plans, and he works at least 16 hours a day to achieve them. "If you want to work eight hours a day," he says, "you're going to get eight-hour-a-day results. There's nothing wrong with that, but I don't want to hear you bitch about money if you're only willing to work eight hours a day."


Vaynerchuk is 33 and has something in common with John Bogle, the founder of the Vanguard mutual fund firm, who's 80. I talked to Bogle recently about how Americans need to change their approach to work and money. He told me this: "We need more caution, more savings, and we may have to work harder. Maybe we need more people who like to work and don't count down every day till retirement."


[Read Bogle's thoughts on how to invest smarter after the recession.]


Nobody wants to sacrifice. Why should we? The government is standing by with stimulus money, banker bailouts, homeowner aid, cash for clunkers, expanded healthcare, and maybe more stimulus money. And most Americans will never have to pay an extra dime for any of this. Somehow, $9 trillion worth of government debt will just become somebody else's problem.


When he was campaigning, candidate Obama dabbled with the "personal responsibility" theme, and in his acceptance speech in November he called for a "new spirit of sacrifice." But now that he's in office, there's less interest in such quaint ideas. During his prime-time news conference about healthcare reform in July, a reporter asked Obama if ordinary Americans would have to give up anything in exchange for better, more widely available care. Obama's answer: "They're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier." Hooray! Something for nothing! He may as well have said, "Here's a magic pill that will make all your problems go away."


Obama's plan is to get a tiny portion of the American public--the wealthy--to pay higher taxes for the benefit of the majority. Hey, while we're at it, let's see if we can convince 1 percent of the population to bear the entire responsibility for fighting two open-ended wars that are supposedly in the interest of every American. It would just be too uncomfortable to tell the middle class that if they want something, they need to earn it themselves.


[See how the bailouts could have gone better.]


We're uninformed. The healthcare smackdown--sorry, "debate"--is Exhibits A, B, and C. The soaring cost of healthcare is a problem that affects most Americans. It's shrinking paychecks, squeezing small businesses, bankrupting families and swelling the national debt. Yet outraged Americans seem most concerned about fictions like death panels and government-enforced euthanasia, while clinging to the myth that our current system of selective availability and perverse incentives somehow represents capitalist ideals. But let's take a break from that burdensome issue to examine the likelihood that President Obama was born in a foreign country and hoodwinked America into believing he was eligible to run for president.


People who lack the sense to question Big Lies always end up in deep trouble. Being well informed takes work, even with the Internet. In a democracy, that's simply a civic burden. If we're too foolish or lazy to educate ourselves on healthcare, global warming, financial reform, and other complicated issues, then we're signing ourselves over to special interests who see nothing wrong with plundering our national--and personal--wealth.


[See why postal-style healthcare might not be so bad.]


iCulture. We may be chastened by the recession, but Americans still believe they deserve the best of everything--the best job, the best healthcare, the best education for our kids. And we want it at a discount--or better yet, free--which brings us back to the usual disconnect between what we want and what we're willing to pay for.

Rationing is a dirty word, so we can't have a system that officially rations something as vital as healthcare or education. Instead, we have unacknowledged, de facto rationing that directs the most resources to those with the best connections, the most money, or the savvy to game the system. What keeps the rest of us content is the illusion that we, too, will be able to game the system someday--as long as the government doesn't interfere.

Solutions that serve some public good--like Social Security and bank deposit insurance in the 1930s and Medicare in the 1960s--usually require everybody to give something to get something. If it works, the overall benefits outweigh the costs. Good programs leave individuals the option to pay more if they want more. Bad programs promise more than they can deliver. But often we don't know that until it's too late."



He is dead on.:thumbsup:

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves"

Our govt and politicians are only as good as we are.
 
I still think - still - that if We/America sinks, so too does the rest of the world. And China can talk it all wants (although they do practice pumping of liquidity, that I do give them) but where's the beef?? Remember all that 'talk' about the reserve currency (end of). Who would sell the $Dollar$ now???

And is any other country different from us??? Really??
 
Sighhhh....again..the housing crisis didn't start anything...it was a symptom fuel by free money and the need for it.

The thing that strangled the economy of the US and other economies was the skyrocketing gasoline prices....I know that doesn't seem like all that big a deal. But when that amount of money over that amount of time is sapped out of economies and transferred to some place else which doesn't put that capital back into the economy...businesses lose profits, lost profits costs jobs...lost jobs leads to defaulted loans.

Also, the biggest threat to America is it's population not being able have or lose a debate without biting someone's finger off or pulling out a firearm.
 
Sighhhh....again..the housing crisis didn't start anything...it was a symptom fuel by free money and the need for it.

The thing that strangled the economy of the US and other economies was the skyrocketing gasoline prices....I know that doesn't seem like all that big a deal. But when that amount of money over that amount of time is sapped out of economies and transferred to some place else which doesn't put that capital back into the economy...businesses lose profits, lost profits costs jobs...lost jobs leads to defaulted loans.

This is true but it was only part of the problem.

IMO greed was the biggest problem. The article seems to online things pretty well. We as a country seem to be looking for the easy way out of "work" Get rich quick schemes were actually a reality and people were jumping all over them.

Lets say for example there were two banks. Bank A offers an rate on return of 18%, bank B offers a rate of only 15%. The logical thing to do is to go with the higher rate of return correct? Sooo now bank B has got to come up with some way to entice people to invest with their bank. Well even though they can not account for the extra return they bump up their rate to 18% or possibly 19%. In most cases its either compete with the other bank or business or see your profits dwindle. It only seems logical to go with the one that gives you a higher return on your investment? But at what expense? Well in this case everyone is pushing the boundaries trying to get every last cent they can out of places that don't have any way to back up the costs.

Might seem like a weak argument but what the point is, we were greedy, and we always tried to get something for nothing. It's time to put in the work for your money. No more of this free feeding frenzy BS.
 
What is so desperately sad is this: even after all the misery, punishment, homelessness, bankruptcies, bail-outs, greed, mistakes writ large, fraud, suicides, incompetence, complicity, vested-interests, even after all this...I expect rinse/cycle/repeat...Nothing Less:(
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
I still think - still - that if We/America sinks, so too does the rest of the world. And China can talk it all wants

Correct and China can talk, but they step out-of-line and we will bomb them back to bamboo huts. :D

America has four major problems:

1) the GOP
2) FOX News
3) wacko FreeOnes members
4) the Jonas Brothers

People with Vladimir Lenin in their avatar. :rolleyes:
 
This is true but it was only part of the problem.

IMO greed was the biggest problem. The article seems to online things pretty well. We as a country seem to be looking for the easy way out of "work" Get rich quick schemes were actually a reality and people were jumping all over them.

Lets say for example there were two banks. Bank A offers an rate on return of 18%, bank B offers a rate of only 15%. The logical thing to do is to go with the higher rate of return correct? Sooo now bank B has got to come up with some way to entice people to invest with their bank. Well even though they can not account for the extra return they bump up their rate to 18% or possibly 19%. In most cases its either compete with the other bank or business or see your profits dwindle. It only seems logical to go with the one that gives you a higher return on your investment? But at what expense? Well in this case everyone is pushing the boundaries trying to get every last cent they can out of places that don't have any way to back up the costs.

Might seem like a weak argument but what the point is, we were greedy, and we always tried to get something for nothing. It's time to put in the work for your money. No more of this free feeding frenzy BS.

Consider this, in 99.99 pct of the cases people start home loans in good faith with the intent to repay them....after all...it's not only their single largest investment (in most cases)...it's the roof over their heads.

In what cases do you believe they would not repay what the believed was a reasonable payment plan for their home? Even if they couldn't pay for anything else they'd likely pay for the roof over their heads right? Unless the couldn't for some reason.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Needs more cowbell.
 
1. Alien invasion (the space kind...not the foreigner kind)

2. Comet strike

3. Pole shift

4. The Elder Ones return

:cool:
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
America has the following problems:
-illegal aliens
-gangs that need be wiped of the country
-ghetto trash that need to be swept of the streets
-islamofascists like farrakhan and his friends that need to be exterminated
-hippies and unwilling to work parasites who want to get free healthcare and social security at the expense of others
-poor educational system in public schools
-overnaïve and too trustworthy voters
-antiamericanism inside America
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
The only problem with faith is that when this country started to turn it's back on God we started slipping.

I can't really disagree with that, Will E. But does your minister know where you are right now? Mine doesn't. He doesn't know about the pictures I took in my hotel room the last time I was at the DFW Airport Marriot either. I hope not, but that girl might have been married. She said she wasn't, but (married) women often lie. I :dunno:

So it looks like you and me are part of the problem you've identified, eh?

You're still a kid - maybe there's hope for you. But I don't think they'll ever make a saint of me. What should we do, Will E... what should we do???

And I do believe in miracles
And I want to save my soul
And I know that I'm a sinner
I'm gonna die here in the cold
 
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