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The Detroit Tigers have the worst **** system in Major League Baseball, according to Keith Law, who revealed his **** system rankings this week on ESPN.
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His list of the top 100 prospects in baseball ranks each team's top prospects, along with a sleeper to watch and someone who could play in 2015.
Law understands that the Tigers tend to trade away top prospects in an effort to acquire big-league talent to stay competitive in the majors."They are clearly trying to win the World Series every year," Law said of Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski and his staff. Law's rankings of the **** systems are based on the "ceiling" -- a.k.a. prospects who will develop into above-average major leaguers.
"Since this club started contending in '06, (Dombrowski) has really always used the **** system as currency to help the major league club," Law said. "Completely valid. No question.
"I think his philosophy on the **** system has affected how they've drafted. They've taken a lot of college players. They've taken a lot of college relievers or hard-throwing college starters who profile better as relievers. I believe the thought process was, 'These guys can be traded faster.' Law pointed out that the Tigers traded away five of their top 10 prospects from last season. Several players now in their top 10 were ranked in the second tier last year.
"They have a lot of college guys who look like they are relievers," Law said. "Position players with physical ability but who are far from close to major league-ready. In the case of (Steven) Moya, real plate discipline issues." Moya, 23, made his major league debut last year, appearing in 11 games for the Tigers after hitting 33 doubles and 35 home runs with 105 RBIs in 133 games at Double-A Erie. Moya struck out 161 times with 23 walks. In the Arizona Fall League, Moya hit five home runs in 23 games but had 29 strikeouts and six walks."It's the strikeouts and the walks and the reasons for that, too," Law said. "You can throw him breaking balls down and away all day long. He does not pick them up. He does not adjust to them at all.
"His BP is outstanding. The body is great. This isn't just a guy who doesn't walk enough. This is a guy who really doesn't recognize fastballs from breaking balls, and that's a big problem." One prospect Law really likes is outfielder Derek Hill, the Tigers' top pick in 2014. Law said "Hill is the only prospect from the organization who made his top 100." He's the *** of longtime scout Orsino Hill and ****** of Darryl Strawberry.
Note: I won't disagree that the Tigers have the worst **** system in baseball right now, but that's ultimately a meaningless distinction for a team that has won the division four years in a row and is in good position to win it again. The goal is to win at the MLB level, and the Tigers have been doing that for the better part of a decade, largely by trading prospects for major league talent. Identifying and developing amateur talent is obviously very important, and the Tigers aren't really great at that, but looking at your own prospects honestly is almost as important, and the Tigers are pretty spectacular at that. Time after time they trade prospects at the height of their value, and they haven't really paid the price for it yet. This method obviously can't continue forever though...there just aren't many trade chips left in the system. But they do have three of the top 65 picks in the 2015 draft, so they should be able to get a nice infusion of talent.
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His list of the top 100 prospects in baseball ranks each team's top prospects, along with a sleeper to watch and someone who could play in 2015.
Law understands that the Tigers tend to trade away top prospects in an effort to acquire big-league talent to stay competitive in the majors."They are clearly trying to win the World Series every year," Law said of Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski and his staff. Law's rankings of the **** systems are based on the "ceiling" -- a.k.a. prospects who will develop into above-average major leaguers.
"Since this club started contending in '06, (Dombrowski) has really always used the **** system as currency to help the major league club," Law said. "Completely valid. No question.
"I think his philosophy on the **** system has affected how they've drafted. They've taken a lot of college players. They've taken a lot of college relievers or hard-throwing college starters who profile better as relievers. I believe the thought process was, 'These guys can be traded faster.' Law pointed out that the Tigers traded away five of their top 10 prospects from last season. Several players now in their top 10 were ranked in the second tier last year.
"They have a lot of college guys who look like they are relievers," Law said. "Position players with physical ability but who are far from close to major league-ready. In the case of (Steven) Moya, real plate discipline issues." Moya, 23, made his major league debut last year, appearing in 11 games for the Tigers after hitting 33 doubles and 35 home runs with 105 RBIs in 133 games at Double-A Erie. Moya struck out 161 times with 23 walks. In the Arizona Fall League, Moya hit five home runs in 23 games but had 29 strikeouts and six walks."It's the strikeouts and the walks and the reasons for that, too," Law said. "You can throw him breaking balls down and away all day long. He does not pick them up. He does not adjust to them at all.
"His BP is outstanding. The body is great. This isn't just a guy who doesn't walk enough. This is a guy who really doesn't recognize fastballs from breaking balls, and that's a big problem." One prospect Law really likes is outfielder Derek Hill, the Tigers' top pick in 2014. Law said "Hill is the only prospect from the organization who made his top 100." He's the *** of longtime scout Orsino Hill and ****** of Darryl Strawberry.
Note: I won't disagree that the Tigers have the worst **** system in baseball right now, but that's ultimately a meaningless distinction for a team that has won the division four years in a row and is in good position to win it again. The goal is to win at the MLB level, and the Tigers have been doing that for the better part of a decade, largely by trading prospects for major league talent. Identifying and developing amateur talent is obviously very important, and the Tigers aren't really great at that, but looking at your own prospects honestly is almost as important, and the Tigers are pretty spectacular at that. Time after time they trade prospects at the height of their value, and they haven't really paid the price for it yet. This method obviously can't continue forever though...there just aren't many trade chips left in the system. But they do have three of the top 65 picks in the 2015 draft, so they should be able to get a nice infusion of talent.
Yankees also have a junk **** system.
The Tigers and Yankees use their **** systems to acquire major league talent and while they are both thin right now i think the Phillies system is truly worse as all there so called talent never seems to impact at the big league level and they can't seem to plug the holes on the roster like they used to.
The A's use their **** system just like the Tigers do but they get more praise for some odd reason
The A's use their **** system just like the Tigers do but they get more praise for some odd reason
The Detroit Tigers announced Monday that former utility first baseman and pinch-hitter Dave Bergman died at the age of 61.
Bergman, known as excellent fielder was already an eight-year pro by the time he was traded twice in one day, from San Francisco to Philadelphia and then to Detroit on March 24, 1984. The latter trade saw the Phillies ship Bergman along with future AL MVP and Cy Young Award winner Guillermo “Don’t call me Willie” Hernandez to the Tigers for outfielder Glenn Wilson and catcher John B. Wockenfuss.
In 1984, Bergman hit .273 with seven homers and 44 RBI over 120 games, while also spending time in the outfield, but collected just one single in seven postseason at-bats as the Tigers beat the Royals in the ALCS and Padres in the World Series. His most notable contribution to that 104-win team was a three- run, walk-off homer against the Blue Jays at Tiger Stadium on June 4, capping a 13-pitch plate appearance against Roy Lee Jackson.
"One of our best teammates. Bergman was a guy who knew his role. He was a competitor and just a good person too," said former Tiger pitcher Jack Morris of his former teammate.
Bergman remained with the Tigers until the end of his career following the 1992 season. In 1,349 career games for the Yankees, Astros, Giants and Tigers, he was a lifetime .258 hitter who collected 54 home runs, 100 doubles and drove in 289 runs.
R.I.P. Bergie
Bergman, known as excellent fielder was already an eight-year pro by the time he was traded twice in one day, from San Francisco to Philadelphia and then to Detroit on March 24, 1984. The latter trade saw the Phillies ship Bergman along with future AL MVP and Cy Young Award winner Guillermo “Don’t call me Willie” Hernandez to the Tigers for outfielder Glenn Wilson and catcher John B. Wockenfuss.
In 1984, Bergman hit .273 with seven homers and 44 RBI over 120 games, while also spending time in the outfield, but collected just one single in seven postseason at-bats as the Tigers beat the Royals in the ALCS and Padres in the World Series. His most notable contribution to that 104-win team was a three- run, walk-off homer against the Blue Jays at Tiger Stadium on June 4, capping a 13-pitch plate appearance against Roy Lee Jackson.
"One of our best teammates. Bergman was a guy who knew his role. He was a competitor and just a good person too," said former Tiger pitcher Jack Morris of his former teammate.
Bergman remained with the Tigers until the end of his career following the 1992 season. In 1,349 career games for the Yankees, Astros, Giants and Tigers, he was a lifetime .258 hitter who collected 54 home runs, 100 doubles and drove in 289 runs.
R.I.P. Bergie
Cuban infielder Yoan Moncada has been in limbo for some time, unable to sign a deal with a big league team due to federal regulations, MLB regulations or both, but now that looks to be over:
Moncada has already worked out with multiple teams, so it may not take long for him to be signed. The Yankees and Red Sox are thought to be favorites. Moncada, 19, is expected to get a deal in the $30-40 million range.
Moncada has already worked out with multiple teams, so it may not take long for him to be signed. The Yankees and Red Sox are thought to be favorites. Moncada, 19, is expected to get a deal in the $30-40 million range.
All part of the normalization of relations between the US and Cuba.
With spring training fast approaching, it appears the last big-name free agent left on the market is nearing a decision. Right-hander James Shields is reportedly weighing multiple offers and will sign somewhere by the end of the week, according to Fox Sports.
Where exactly he might land and how much he'll get is still far from certain. Shields has been linked with over a dozen teams at one point or another this offseason, and his price tag has dropped over the last few weeks. Most recently it's the San Diego Padres and St. Louis Cardinals, that have had their names attached to Shields.
Where exactly he might land and how much he'll get is still far from certain. Shields has been linked with over a dozen teams at one point or another this offseason, and his price tag has dropped over the last few weeks. Most recently it's the San Diego Padres and St. Louis Cardinals, that have had their names attached to Shields.
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Jagger69
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I pray Mozeliak has the insight not to sign Shields to pitch for St. Louis. Dude is on the backside of his career and never was that great anyway if you ask me. He's a number 3 starter at best and not worth big money IMO.. If we can't work out a deal for Cole Hamels (and I don't think we will....from what I am hearing, the Phillies want the moon in return for him), I hope we let either Carlos Martinez or Marco Gonzales work their way into the 5th position and hope that Waino and Wacha both come back healthy. If so, our rotation will be rock solid. If not, we'll have the chips to make some sort of deal later on.
I would not be surprised if the Tigers are in the mix. GM Dave Dombrowski looking for bargain deal, two or three year term. Shields would be a good replacement for Rick Porcello in the rotation. He would give Detroit their best chance at a 5th straight division championship.
Jagger69
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For a salary approaching $20mm a year?? His career stats are 114-90 with a 3.72 ERA. Not exactly Sandy Koufax. But, hey, go for it. Your **** system must have zero prospects if you sign a 33 year old with his track record for 5 years at that money. JMO of course....maybe he's got a Cy Young season in him as he goes into his mid-30s.
The Detroit Tigers announced Thursday that designated hitter Victor Martinez tore the medial meniscus in his left knee during workouts last week.
Martinez will have surgery next Tuesday with Dr. James Andrews in Pensacola, Florida. An additional update will be given at that time. The injury was revealed after Martinez underwent an MRI exam on Wednesday. Martinez, signed a four-year, $68 million contract in November, in 2014 he hit .335 with 32 home runs, 33 doubles and 103 RBI in 151 games. He also won his second Silver Slugger award last season. This is the second time Martinez has suffered a serious offseason knee injury as a Tiger. In 2012 he tore his left ACL in offseason conditioning and missed that entire season.
Martinez will have surgery next Tuesday with Dr. James Andrews in Pensacola, Florida. An additional update will be given at that time. The injury was revealed after Martinez underwent an MRI exam on Wednesday. Martinez, signed a four-year, $68 million contract in November, in 2014 he hit .335 with 32 home runs, 33 doubles and 103 RBI in 151 games. He also won his second Silver Slugger award last season. This is the second time Martinez has suffered a serious offseason knee injury as a Tiger. In 2012 he tore his left ACL in offseason conditioning and missed that entire season.
I sure hope so, the last time Victor Martinez injured his left knee, the Tigers spent over $200 million on Prince Fielder to replace him. Nothing like that is likely to happen this time around, however.
First, Martinez's meniscus tear isn't believed to be quite as severe.
Second, the Tigers' options to replace him aren't nearly as strong.
Until the Tigers get a more definitive diagnosis next week on how long Martinez will need to recover from surgery, they're keeping their options open.
Then there’s Miguel Cabrera, who is recovering from surgery to repair a stress fracture in his right foot. Cabrera, too, has a doctor's visit coming up, this one for a follow-up exam in a week and a half that is expected to give him clearance for baseball activity. If he's cleared, the Tigers expect him to be ready on or near Opening Day. If he's delayed, then Detroit has potentially two huge voids to fill, at least at season's start. Martinez was expected to be an option at first base if Cabrera wasn't ready to go. Now, that plan is out.
Catcher Alex Avila, has played some third base during Inter-league Play, was already expected to play some at first base in Spring Training as a precaution. He now becomes a realistic option. Two ***** League first basemen, Jordan Lennerton and Aaron Westlake, are also options. Lennerton, was a Futures Game participant and Triple-A All-Star in 2013 before he struggled last year. Westlake was a third-round pick in 2011 but struggled to hit last season at Double-A Erie, batting .236 with 15 home runs and 49 RBIs.
If Cabrera is ready at first base, they can rotate at designated hitter from their group of outfielders, including J.D. Martinez, Yoenis Cespedes and Rajai Davis. One intriguing option could be top outfield prospect Steven Moya, who hit 35 home runs at Double-A Erie last year.
Shields to San Diego
James Shields has reportedly found a new team.
According to SB Nation, the free agent pitcher and the San Diego Padres have agreed to a four-year contract that includes a club option for a fifth season. The deal, pending a physical, is expected to be worth between $72-76 million.
James Shields has reportedly found a new team.
According to SB Nation, the free agent pitcher and the San Diego Padres have agreed to a four-year contract that includes a club option for a fifth season. The deal, pending a physical, is expected to be worth between $72-76 million.
The Tigers and Blue Jays are discussing a trade that would involve catcher Dioner Navarro, according to Toronto SportsNet.
With Victor Martinez requiring knee surgery and catcher Alex Avila's continued struggles with concussions, the Tigers could use some added depth behind the plate. Navarro would fit the bill, and as a switch-hitter would also provide another versatile bat for Detroit's offense.
Navarro, who turned 31 on Monday, hit .274 for the Blue Jays in 2014, slugging 12 home runs and 22 doubles in 481 at-bats. Navarro is considered the Blue Jays’ top trade asset, but the team has said it won’t move him unless it gets a pitcher in return.
With Victor Martinez requiring knee surgery and catcher Alex Avila's continued struggles with concussions, the Tigers could use some added depth behind the plate. Navarro would fit the bill, and as a switch-hitter would also provide another versatile bat for Detroit's offense.
Navarro, who turned 31 on Monday, hit .274 for the Blue Jays in 2014, slugging 12 home runs and 22 doubles in 481 at-bats. Navarro is considered the Blue Jays’ top trade asset, but the team has said it won’t move him unless it gets a pitcher in return.
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