18 U.S.C. Sec. 2257 News
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x4g63x said:
That was the official reason?
Man, that is pathetic on so many levels. They (those at the top that make policy) really do want empty headed people that they can mold into killing machines. At least, that is how it seems to me.
An Army of one. Right. More like (imo) an army of one big, obedient blob of men and women that do what they are told; ALL the time.
If being discharged caused you pain - then I am very sorry they did that to you.
Aces&Jacks
Retired Mod
More fallout from 2257:
In the Department of Justice’s latest effort to protect the children, they have declared every person who posts an image on the internet a “producer.” That means every one of you who participates in a message forum or writes a blog or has a personal website. We are all producers. And if we choose to post an image that could be construed as containing a sex act (including masturbation or possibly even an erect penis) we must be able to prove that the people in the picture were adults at the time it was taken.
Producers, the one who actually produced the sexually explicit image, have been required to maintain model records proving age since 1988. This month the Dept. of Justice decided that anyone who posts that image on the internet should also maintain these records. While it is unclear how this protects the children, it is very clear how difficult this law makes it to run an adult internet business. The Dept. of Justice has found an easy way to prosecute anyone distributing pornography via the internet and to curtail the adult internet business in the U.S.
The changes to the 2257 record keeping laws are vague enough to require legal advice and cumbersome enough to put small companies out of business. Not only must every producer maintain these model records in a specific filing fashion, but they must publish their business address and have these records available anytime for inspection during business hours. This precludes home businesses from continuing to function unless they want their home address posted on the web. This precludes part-time businesses from operating unless they report the exact hours they will be working to the government, and those hours total 20 per week.
At Adult DVD Talk we have therefore made the decision to remove every sexually explicit image from our site. We do not have the resources to maintain the records for 50,000 movies nor do we wish to open our home to the Dept of Justice for inspections. We have joined the Free Speech Coalition who is preparing a legal challenge. If you would like to donate to the cause you can do so through their website at freespeechcoalition.com.
In the Department of Justice’s latest effort to protect the children, they have declared every person who posts an image on the internet a “producer.” That means every one of you who participates in a message forum or writes a blog or has a personal website. We are all producers. And if we choose to post an image that could be construed as containing a sex act (including masturbation or possibly even an erect penis) we must be able to prove that the people in the picture were adults at the time it was taken.
Producers, the one who actually produced the sexually explicit image, have been required to maintain model records proving age since 1988. This month the Dept. of Justice decided that anyone who posts that image on the internet should also maintain these records. While it is unclear how this protects the children, it is very clear how difficult this law makes it to run an adult internet business. The Dept. of Justice has found an easy way to prosecute anyone distributing pornography via the internet and to curtail the adult internet business in the U.S.
The changes to the 2257 record keeping laws are vague enough to require legal advice and cumbersome enough to put small companies out of business. Not only must every producer maintain these model records in a specific filing fashion, but they must publish their business address and have these records available anytime for inspection during business hours. This precludes home businesses from continuing to function unless they want their home address posted on the web. This precludes part-time businesses from operating unless they report the exact hours they will be working to the government, and those hours total 20 per week.
At Adult DVD Talk we have therefore made the decision to remove every sexually explicit image from our site. We do not have the resources to maintain the records for 50,000 movies nor do we wish to open our home to the Dept of Justice for inspections. We have joined the Free Speech Coalition who is preparing a legal challenge. If you would like to donate to the cause you can do so through their website at freespeechcoalition.com.
Let me tell you something without sarcasm.
Most of the forum members are Americans.
The USA is the (or was) the greatest country in the world in the matter of free speech and civil rights.
When 80% of the world was talking trash or wanting death George Bush we were not joking. This man is stupid.
So get the America we use to know, first unite against this law, and then take the republicans out of the government in 2008.
The government can’t hide that there is a huge crowd contributing to the usa economy in the adult industry
Most of the forum members are Americans.
The USA is the (or was) the greatest country in the world in the matter of free speech and civil rights.
When 80% of the world was talking trash or wanting death George Bush we were not joking. This man is stupid.
So get the America we use to know, first unite against this law, and then take the republicans out of the government in 2008.
The government can’t hide that there is a huge crowd contributing to the usa economy in the adult industry
sjs1220 said:
Well it not only requires the company producing as you said ( "primary producer" ) but also all others who publish( use ) that image/gallery to have the models personal information, ID , etc. on file.
For example, no biggie for me running my own site, I have all my info, but I have a guest model section in my members area where I featured galleries from over 100 other models and I now have to remove them because I don't have a copy of each of those models ID's on file . I also run a free site, http://www.HotBabesList.com and it means I will have to remove all the thumbnails on it that show more than just boobies by the 23rd of this month....so basically , just a lot of work :dunno:
Ivy
so this new law has been passed then? wouldnt it also mean bad news for any kind of tgp site at all (including freeones?), and for a lot of paysites too i assume..
member2686
Banned
Dead on! U.S. laws regarding custodianship and maintenance of records have "jack" to do with internet sites, unless they are U.S. based, and sites can easily be relocated/rehosted elsewhere. The law has to do more with film and print media and record-keeping in the U.S. I believe the challenge to the law will be successful, as it is more intended to be burdensome and harassing more than anything else. :2 cents:
mcrocket said:
member2686
Banned
Sure. FreeOnes is in Holland (but then again so are its employees). My stuff is in Holland as well, but I am in the USA. Other sites are hosted outside the USA as well to avoid bullshit and raids and whatnot. Think about Sharman Networks and their K*&aa P2P network. It was hosted either in Australia or some small island nation near Australia to avoid nonsense.
It's the same stuff, different industry. Think of banking... Switzerland is home of the largest amounts of illegally and ill-gotten, otherwise secret or hidden monies and assets in the world, as well as many other countries who have isolationist and protectionist laws, etc.
Porn can be and often is the same way. However, since the vast majority of worldwide pornography (film and printed) IS produced in the USA (California, especially), the new regulations could stand to pose a big hassle for production companies. Websites are different, though...
It's the same stuff, different industry. Think of banking... Switzerland is home of the largest amounts of illegally and ill-gotten, otherwise secret or hidden monies and assets in the world, as well as many other countries who have isolationist and protectionist laws, etc.
Porn can be and often is the same way. However, since the vast majority of worldwide pornography (film and printed) IS produced in the USA (California, especially), the new regulations could stand to pose a big hassle for production companies. Websites are different, though...
Comparing porn industry to bank industry. Nonsense. Banks are made to manage people's money as well as to give insurance for stockbrokers, give the ability for people to make a leasing, or buy stock markets. Porn is not that, porn is an industry but with not the same goal, it is more leisure than something else, it is an art but do not even try to compare it with banks.However big companies like vivid, jkp and maybe some others are quopted at the stock exchange, but is more an art than something like banks or computer industry. Before porn was a taboo but it exploded in the late 80's early-mid 90's where the biggest stars have seen the day.But many things change and laws change too not always in the good sense but what can you do.
Now about the 18 years old age, I think that site with pics of girls that are 18 and that look younger have to be shut down. It can be considered as child porn and I think fighting against this pleague is a necessity. If the age of the model is said to be 18 and can't be proven, the site has to be shut down without any warning and notice.
Just my two cents :2 cents:.
Now about the 18 years old age, I think that site with pics of girls that are 18 and that look younger have to be shut down. It can be considered as child porn and I think fighting against this pleague is a necessity. If the age of the model is said to be 18 and can't be proven, the site has to be shut down without any warning and notice.
Just my two cents :2 cents:.
Re: 2257 regulation
So if I understand well all the models got to be american or have a green card to do there work on the web.
So if I understand well all the models got to be american or have a green card to do there work on the web.
member2686
Banned
Re: 2257 regulation
It's a very complex legal area. You'll need to spend many hours reading to understand it, especially if you are not a lawyer or legally well-versed. If you're IN the business, then you ought to contact your counsel. Otherwise, happy reading!!! lol :hatsoff: :nanner:
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=38596&highlight=2257
It's a very complex legal area. You'll need to spend many hours reading to understand it, especially if you are not a lawyer or legally well-versed. If you're IN the business, then you ought to contact your counsel. Otherwise, happy reading!!! lol :hatsoff: :nanner:
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=38596&highlight=2257
