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Great, strike one more. And the rest? Or can you find excuses for them too? It's your obligation to provide adequate support for your position, especially in the face of an ever-growing body of evidence, in order to be taken seriously on the subject. Thus far you have not. Bullshit you are...

...and...? None of this is a rebuttal or defense to anything said. ...still stands. As is all science. ...that you are willing to pay attention to. This is an entirely separate issue to the actual amount of evidence available. As you have dis/missed them the first time around, have another...

You understand that when you complain about a lack of evidence, then are presented with plenty, and dismiss it all with basically "Yeah...nah" you have zero credibility, right? To even say you're interested in finding the truth is disingenuous BS at that point.

Way ahead of you. I just found a very interesting article about partisanship and critical thinking. I'll be posting a new thread about it, but the gist of it is: as soon as you make any statement, even simple statements of fact and ****** any potential source of partisanship into it, people...

I always find it interesting that said evidence is in fact out there, for everyone to read (as is reed), but most 'skeptics' rather be 'read' (as in red) it through biased filters like Christopher Brooker. ...I had a rather mean point here, but in hindsight it's not constructive. I'll just say...

Good man. We won't get better until we demand it. No, but it is the best we will do.

You have to do much better than Christopher Booker citing a blog. This guy believes in intelligent design. Not compelling. Here's a rebuttal, anyway: http://www.skepticalscience.com/kevin-cowtan-debunks-christopher-booker-temp-conspiracy-theory.html

Obama is a product of the two party dog-and-pony-show circus. If you support this system, you are as much to blame as every one else who supports it. Don't worry, you're in a comfortable overwhelming majority of voters. After I made my post in the other related thread about the underlying...

So, there's a lot on this (3, 4 threads?) and certainly plenty going on in this thread. I feel though, that many if not most of you share this opinion: ...and I think this is gravely mistaken. No doubt there are numbers who think and feel exactly like that, but I think the driving ***** lies...

Ha ha. You're just going to keep digging in with that display of foolishness, huh? Do you think this is a rebuttal?

We could, but we won't. But he is likely hooked into the same political apparatus - similar if not same folks with similar if not same ideas. If not, he'll have to make that abundantly clear. This is almost as stupid as you knee-jerk responding to something you didn't read. What do you mean...

Wrong thread. There's a lot - for better or for worse - that doesn't translate going from a parliamentary system to individual, single-member elections like we have in the States. You can't have a coalition president, for example. How do you provide proportional representation when electing...

Translation: "I'm sorry for not reading your post before responding." You know, the pavlovian response bit was tongue in cheek, but good lord man, you heard the bell and couldn't type 'Soros' fast enough. No. You haven't. And until you do, there's no reason to pay any more attention to you.

You know for a lawyer, I'd expect you to read things more carefully. This is the second glaring response to me you've failed to do so. ...my location is Mannheim. Still have a blue passport. Guess how much either of those matter? Fuck all. Debate my points, not my origins. No, I can't -...

Had you offered me a $1000 bet on who would be the one to reply exactly as you have, well, I wouldn't have taken it because I'm not a betting man, but I knew all the same it would be you. My blue passport - the one I have to remind you about every, single, time - says it is my playground...

Yeah, you probably read the news already. And now you're reading this thread title and getting ready for a good ol' fashioned partisan rant and romp. But that's not what you're going to get, at least in the OP. Here's the Democrats complaining Here's a nice perspective on what the amount of...

Is this a serious question? http://time.com/3035872/sixth-great-extinction/ Anyone who can make a quick buck by doing so. That's how unregulated capitalism works. This is ironically a great description for those who resist any regulation because they doubt one of the ill-effects of our lack of...

How about all the other reasons I listed? You said you were going to get back to me on that point.

Not what I said. More than enough to tell us that oil spills aren't a good thing for the environment. More than enough to show us clear effects of deforestation, erosion along riverbanks, hunting X ****** to the brink and beyond, lacing our waterways with mercury, spitting CFCs into the...

Here's my problem with this whole debate: no it isn't. Take away man's contribution to climate change, entirely - just set it aside from the debate - we still know we're fucking up the environment left and right. We still know that our energy policy is unsustainable. Hell, the world's economic...

What's in a Name? Global Warming vs. Climate Change If that were a physical bookmark, it would already be long worn through.

Longer. ...and that's part of the point. If you think you'll get anything different with the Republican party these days...well, let's just say I'm decidedly not the one misunderstanding Einstein. What sort of 'conservative' are you looking for, anyway? Less government spending? Less government...

What a waste of a genuine opportunity to express - in the only way that matters - dissatisfaction with the direction of our government. But I'm assuming; maybe you are satisfied with it. ...so long as they belong to your party of choice, no? Cue Einstein's quote about insanity. Unless, again...

People have already jumped on the label democracy, so I'll skip that part and go to a cautionary warning: we as Americans are borderline indoctrinated into thinking we have the best governing system the world has ever seen. I'm not saying we're wrong. But because of this, starting from the...

How did I guess? This is a great question. One that I can't readily answer. The Patriot Act is a good obvious one, but that **** goes back much farther and deeper than just that Act. I haven't the time to do the proper digging, so I'll stick with it for the time being.

First you push into georges' current lead position on dumb, and now you're also going for Ace's lead position on asshole. Not far left ahead of you on the road to useless. I recommend taking a page out of Mayhem's book and take a break. Pro-tip: leaving someone rep saying you don't give a fuck...

I guess that answers that question. As for 'good faith', this thread is either your first time in the Politics section or you've somehow remained completely clueless about georges' entire participating history here. And we know option A isn't the case. This is a false dilemma, I know, but other...

Are you defending stupid because it's right-wing stupid? Because that would be...well, stupid.

I'm usually of the opinion that people should be able to move around freely - but with that opinion another, and that's that if one has decided to move away from their country to another, they shouldn't be trying to turn the new country into the old one. Then what the hell was the point of...

This. For emphasis.

Dismissing your false dilemma: Green, just for one example. To abstain is to acquiesce to this status quo. If you like the status quo, this is a good strategy. Otherwise...

You decry the state of affairs, yet forgo the only small power you have to change said state. I don't understand the point of that.

Look at you two love birds go. You know you're just different sides of the same coin, right? Ace, you regularly challenge georges for world's narrowest perspective. It's incredible. And MustBeGood, your act got old in...fuck, middle school. While I thank you for the recent rep, the two of you...

And this makes sense on the surface; when you're living with a lot higher population density, it makes sense that you'd think more communally than when your nearest neighbor is half a mile away. This isn't to say this is even a leading factor, but as mentioned, has logic on the surface. And...

I could've sworn I made a thread about this before, but a search didn't turn up anything. Just recently in another thread there was an argument about giving food to the homeless people - and whether banning/restricting that was right or left. I tried then to point out that it was neither...

You two have demonstrated perfectly why our political discussions need to be more than one-dimensional: http://politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 (this chart also does a great job showing just how similar the two parties actually are...though nothing for 2014 yet, if that's coming at all)...

They both offer bigger government, deficit spending, eroding constitutional rights, burdgeoning the industrial military complex, corporatism, and so on. To the Democrats' credit, at least their platform is honest about big government. But that's about the extent of that. Rebellion - with...

And we've got legal weed now. :cool: Not just the 'medical variety'! ...but watch out. Oregon drivers are notoriously bad, bad as in slow, and this weed legalisation will probably just exacerbate that.

The older I get, the more I agree. Sadly for us 95+% of the voters vote for bigger government time after time after time...and 2014 was no different. :(

Careful what you ask for...! Please. The majority of those voting blue are doing it for the same reason as most of those voting red: either it's their 'team', or that colored-face showed up on TV more often. Stupid voters are the voters voting for the same party over and over and over again...

Re: Will Florido school ******** be given the "Satanic ********’s Big Book of Activities" ? Brilliant.

This is two-party trap thinking. If it weren't for the 50,000,000+ people who voted for George W Bush, George W Bush would never have been president. There is where the problem lies.

I get a lot of mileage out of this in coversations to my European friends. "Are there really Americans who do/think X?" Yep. And then some. The creationist museum or climate change are always sure bets. America used to be a world leader in a lot of things. American still is a world leader in a...

And you won't, until we start demanding them at the only place that actually matters - the voting booth. Democrats and Republicans have a pretty good racket going on and the best thing they've got going for them is that 95+% of voters explicitly approve of their racket every election. Those that...

This is the same with either party. And why would they? Politicians get away with shocking things and yet get re-elected time after time, after time again. Were one to regard the intelligence of said constituents purely by their own voting patterns, there wouldn't be a lot of intelligence to...

I couldn't disagree with this more vehemently. I would go so far as to argue the opposite: a vote for R/D is a ****** vote. More than ******, it's an explicit condonement of party actions (I'm just going to lump them together, because, well, one can). Staying home isn't much better; this is...

Agreed. Now if we can get the same for the Democratic party at the same time, we'd see some actual change.

You know...I'm aware of the West's role in the creation of these guys. I'm aware that our mucking about and such for decades is fuel for the extremists' fire. Robert Pape wrote Dying to Win after analysing suicide terrorism across the globe that our involvement in the Middle East made 9/11/01...

I'm still quite sure where I lean on this, though a 'yes' vote will mean a headache for me as I'll have to figure out what the hell happens to my passport. On the one hand, I like idea of bigger unions because they can play stronger roles on the world stage. In reality though, this leads to...

I'm on board with this in principle, though I hesitate on where to draw the line at 'extraordinary measures'. I think it should remain difficult to bring the parent up because there are a lot of factors outside a parent's control. Take an adopted ***** as just one example; whichever side of the...