Mo'Ne Davis

[MustBeGood]

I think this 8th grader can eventually become a MLB pitcher if they want to allow a gender free league. Threw a no hitter in the Little League World Series. But she claims she is a better at basketball and wants to play in the WNBA.

What do you think?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...ries-female-pitcher-mone-davis_n_5666836.html

 

[ArthurTurner]

Bud Selig said last week that he believes a woman will play major league baseball someday. I believe it's possible because baseball is less a game of strength and size than other sports and more about eye-hand coordination. There are planty of great female athletes in the 5'10 to 6'0" range and 160 to 180 pounds. Who knows what can happen?

 

[MustBeGood]

^^^^^

I agree with your statement that size is a non factor in baseball but more on other talents.

But it takes strength with great eye contact to hit homers, but the PEDs guys being exposed has homers now at the real numbers.

As a pitcher however IMO if she sticks with it and develops she can play in the MLB as pitching is all about command and control.

She will most likely play with the boys in high school instead of playing fast pitch softball.

 

[feller469]

I think it is much more likely we will see a woman play 2nd Base or the outfield before we see a woman pitcher. Not saying it won't happen, but my guess would be an outfielder first.

 

[ArthurTurner]

^^^^^

I agree with your statement that size is a non factor in baseball but more on other talents.

But it takes strength with great eye contact to hit homers, but the PEDs guys being exposed has homers now at the real numbers.

As a pitcher however IMO if she sticks with it and develops she can play in the MLB as pitching is all about command and control.

She will most likely play with the boys in high school instead of playing fast pitch softball.

I didn't say size was a non-factor. I said it wasn't as much of a factor as in other sports.

As for PEDs, very few players took them and I don't believe they were as much of a factor as people make them out to be. I didn't consider it "cheating" then and I don't now. For me, the whole issue is a red herring.

I don't believe the first women in baseball will pitch or catch; more then likely, they'll be infielders or outfielders. It's becoming increasingly necessary for starting pitchers to have *at least* a 90 mile per hour fastball. Relievers today aren't even looked at unless they hit at least 95 on the radar ***. Even Greg Maddux, a guy with the best command in recent years, had a 90+ mile per hour fast ball.

We have to remember how difficult it is for a guy to make the major leagues. Mo'Ne Davis will have to be an exceptional high school player, then since MLB is looking more and more to college players, an exceptional college player. And yes, she'll have to have an excellent fastball. That's how it works today. I hope she gets that chance.

 

[MustBeGood]

True with the fast ball speeds need to be at 90 MPH + to be effective. But at the same time you see many hard throwers in the MLB throwing their arms out like Corbin, Fernandez and Harvey out all year or end up on the DL like Sale and Kershaw earlier this year and current DL pitchers Darvish, Lee, and Tanaka.

Yes Maddux can throw 90 MPH fastballs. But he lasted long injury free by being smart by pitching to hitters that most of the time where ground balls out using command and control pitching in the 75-80 MPH range. If Mo'Ne with proper coaching can develop at least 80 MPH she can make it like a Maddux type pltcher.

Back to Feller

OF's on MLB are looking for power hitters and she would have to learn to hit as a power person to play that position.

It is pitcher or bust IMO, but being 13 if a proper coach can develop her arm with weight training. she might make it as a pitcher as watching her in the LLWS she fooled many batters with her stuff..

 

[ArthurTurner]

True with the fast ball speeds need to be at 90 MPH + to be effective. But at the same time you see many hard throwers in the MLB throwing their arms out like Corbin, Fernandez and Harvey out all year or end up on the DL like Sale and Kershaw earlier this year and current DL pitchers Darvish, Lee, and Tanaka.

Yes Maddux can throw 90 MPH fastballs. But he lasted long injury free by being smart by pitching to hitters that most of the time where ground balls out using command and control pitching in the 75-80 MPH range. If Mo'Ne with proper coaching can develop at least 80 MPH she can make it like a Maddux type pltcher.

Back to Feller

OF's on MLB are looking for power hitters and she would have to learn to hit as a power person to play that position.

It is pitcher or bust IMO, but being 13 if a proper coach can develop her arm with weight training. she might make it as a pitcher as watching her in the LLWS she fooled many batters with her stuff..

1. Every pitcher has to take an intelligent approach to their craft. Almost every pitcher changes speeds. What Maddux did was consistently keep the ball down in the strike zone. He threw hard early in his career with the Cubs but was extremely intelligent.

2. Bob Feller pitcher in a different era and I simply won't talk about guys who played in a different era, especially guys who played segregated baseball. He simply did not face the best competition on a consistent basis.

3. Teams are looking for players who can play, not just power hitters. If they were simply looking for power, Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs, Ichiro Suzuki, Jacoby Ellsbury, and Billy Hamilton would not have gotten a second look. Power is nice. Ability is prefered.

4. My ******** was Mo'Ne's height and weight at that age and only grew 5'9". We have no idea how big and/or athletic she will be. While I suspect she'll be a very athletic girl, she will have to be a special athlete to even be considered for a major league roster. I don't think you realize how good you have to be to get to that level. To even being to speculate what a coach will do is a little out there. All you can do is watch and wish her the best.

 

[MustBeGood]

1. Every pitcher has to take an intelligent approach to their craft. Almost every pitcher changes speeds. What Maddux did was consistently keep the ball down in the strike zone. He threw hard early in his career with the Cubs but was extremely intelligent.

2. Bob Feller pitcher in a different era and I simply won't talk about guys who played in a different era, especially guys who played segregated baseball. He simply did not face the best competition on a consistent basis.

3. Teams are looking for players who can play, not just power hitters. If they were simply looking for power, Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs, Ichiro Suzuki, Jacoby Ellsbury, and Billy Hamilton would not have gotten a second look. Power is nice. Ability is prefered.

4. My ******** was Mo'Ne's height and weight at that age and only grew 5'9". We have no idea how big and/or athletic she will be. While I suspect she'll be a very athletic girl, she will have to be a special athlete to even be considered for a major league roster. I don't think you realize how good you have to be to get to that level. To even being to speculate what a coach will do is a little out there. All you can do is watch and wish her the best.

Bold 1. On Maddux you are correct that keeping the ball down making hitters hit grounds outs was a great move by him not relying on FBs pitches for a strike out. The reason why I feel the K is over rated with a FB. Either it is a wiff or a mistake long ball.

Bold 2. My ******** is 11 and is 4"2 and is great at basketball but was inspired by Mo'Ne the one game we seen together that she is thinking about playing with the boys in little league baseball in 2015.

 

[bobjustbob]

She would have to be built like a MLB player with all of the muscles in the right places. Have some bulk for strength. To pitch you need to use your legs. If there were such a woman then they would already have played in the ***** leagues.

 

[feller469]

I know corner OF are supposed to be power hitters. Every position has become a power-hitting position. If a woman is going to make it in MLB, she would probably have to be a slap singles hitter. Tony Gwynn was an OF, Rod Carew was a 2B. Brett Gardner, who has some power in "hit it to right" Yankee Stadium, is usually a corner OF. If a woman does make it, I still see it as one of the positions I posted.

Now, if one of the softball pitchers could learn to pitch off a mound while still using the under-arm motion, we may have something.

 

[MustBeGood]

She would have to be built like a MLB player with all of the muscles in the right places. Have some bulk for strength. To pitch you need to use your legs. If there were such a woman then they would already have played in the ***** leagues.

True. But that is why I said if she can weight train with the right coach she might could develop on the strength side.

I know corner OF are supposed to be power hitters. Every position has become a power-hitting position. If a woman is going to make it in MLB, she would probably have to be a slap singles hitter. Tony Gwynn was an OF, Rod Carew was a 2B. Brett Gardner, who has some power in "hit it to right" Yankee Stadium, is usually a corner OF. If a woman does make it, I still see it as one of the positions I posted.

Now, if one of the softball pitchers could learn to pitch off a mound while still using the under-arm motion, we may have something.

Also a good point becoming a .300 hitter, .450 OBP player for any women that plays a position as a hitter.

 

[ArthurTurner]

It's not about weight training. She first has to grow into a player who can play in the major leagues. She is 13... years... old. We don't know how much she will grow, but all the weight training in the world will not make up for physical deficiencies.

 

[MustBeGood]

It's not about weight training. She first has to grow into a player who can play in the major leagues. She is 13... years... old. We don't know how much she will grow, but all the weight training in the world will not make up for physical deficiencies.

Agree will have to grow.

But in this video with 3 Ks on the Tennessee representative at the LLWS to complete a two hit shut out shows she can compete with **** in her age group plus and minus 2-3 years in age.

This is the game that inspired my ********.

 

[ArthurTurner]

Agree will have to grow.

But in this video with 3 Ks on the Tennessee representative at the LLWS to complete a two hit shut out shows she can compete with **** in her age group plus and minus 2-3 years in age.

This is the game that inspired my ********.

I coached Little League and youth basketball for several years. And I watched the Little League World Series. There are always **** who dominate this age. I mean, she's bigger than most of the boys right now. Cheryl Miller, the best woman basketball player ever, beat her little ******* Reggie like a dusty rug until he grew. Then it just stopped. If I were you, I would cool the excitement over a 13-year old girl. It's a nice story, but... she's... 13. The only thing this means is that she's a great Little League player right now. I'm glad this girl is doing well -- as the ****** of a ******** myself, girls do need the inspiration to play -- but I'm just not going to project her *major league prospects* It's insane. If it happens, great. But the odds of it happening are astronomically long. Why? Because physiologically, girls develop differently than guys and because the odds of making the majors have always been long -- even for guys.

 

[MustBeGood]

Your point on boys and girls developing differently is key on myself stop thinking about Mo'Ne has a great chance to make the majors.

Good point and you are right on enjoy the excitement she did this year.

 

[MustBeGood]

Haha all over a stupid Disney movie!

College player kicked off team for controversial Mo'ne Davis tweet
By Dayn Perry | Baseball Writer
March 22, 2015 2:09 am ET

A controversial tweet about Mo'ne Davis has yielded consequences. (Getty)

Little League World Series phenom Mo'ne Davis, the 13-year-old who last year became the first girl to pitch a shutout in regional play, has of course been the subject of much media attention in recent months, and her story is set to become a motion picture.

Regarding Davis' prominence, here's a screencap of a tweet (since deleted, along with the account) from Joey Casselberry, former baseball player at Bloomsburg University in Davis' home state of Pennsylvania (warning: tweet contains language that may be offensive to some):

The word "former" is used because on Saturday Casselberry, as a result of the tweet you see above, was dismissed from the Bloomsburg baseball team:

Bloomsburg Univ is deeply saddened by what was written about #MoneDavis by one of our student-athletes. His words do not represent us.

— BU Huskies (@GoBUHuskies) March 21, 2015
We take matter very seriously; addressed the issue with the student-athlete (who has been dismissed from team), coach, and the team.

— BU Huskies (@GoBUHuskies) March 21, 2015
Casselberry, a junior first baseman, had been batting .389/.522/.778 for the 2015 season with two home runs in 18 at-bats.

 

[jp93]

She was great!

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

There are plenty of ladies who could play a stellar middle infield in the major leagues but it comes down to can they hit.
there could be a female pitcher but she would have to be a change up/movement kind of pitcher.