UN votes for air strikes on Libya as Gaddafi warns of reprisals if West attacks

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UN votes for air strikes on Libya as Gaddafi warns of reprisals if West attacks


* Measure backed by ten votes to zero, with five abstentions

* Libyan leader says no-fly zone is 'craziness' and 'madness' in address

* British and French jets poised as action could begin 'within hours'

* British ambassador to UN says UK is 'ready to shoulder our responsibility'


Britain the United States and France are today on the threshold of bombing raids against Libya after the United Nations backed military action.

British aircraft are expected to be deployed over the weekend to protect the Libyan rebel stronghold of Benghazi.

Last night, after weeks of indecision on the world stage, the UN Security Council voted in favour of a no-fly zone and air strikes against Colonel Gaddafi’s forces.

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Decision: The UN Security Council announces the result of its vote into the no-fly zone


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Celebrations: Anti-Gaddafi rebels cheer as the news is announced from the Security Council meeting in New York


By ten votes to zero, it backed ‘all necessary measures’ short of a full-scale ground invasion ‘to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas’.

In anticipation of the move, the Libyan dictator had earlier yesterday threatened to attack any air or maritime traffic in the Mediterranean, including civilian targets. He took to the airwaves to condemn any UN action as an act of ‘flagrant colonisation’.

‘This is craziness, madness, arrogance,’ he ranted. ‘If the world gets crazy with us we will get crazy too. We will respond.

‘We will make their lives hell because they are making our lives hell. They will never have peace.’

Gaddafi had earlier told Libyan rebels that his mercenaries would invade Benghazi, saying: ‘There will be no mercy. Our troops will be coming to Benghazi tonight.’

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Help us pleas: Doctors working at a local hospital join other protesters in calling for a no-fly zone over Libya during a rally at a square in the eastern Libyan town of Benghazi


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British jets are expected to launch from French military bases along the Mediterranean coast, about 750 miles from Libya. Several Arab countries are likely to join the operation.

Senior defence sources cautioned against claims that military action would begin ‘within hours’.

‘We have to deconflict the assets of those who will take part and who will do what,’ said one. ‘It won’t be immediate.’

The UN Security Council’s resolution was passed 10-0 with abstentions from China, Russia, Brazil, India and Germany.

The resolution also included freezing the assets of Libyan National Oil Corp and the central bank because of their links to Gaddafi.

Celebratory gunfire was heard in the beseiged rebel city of Benghazi following the vote.

The move is an extraordinary diplomatic coup for Mr Cameron, one of the first leaders to advocate intervention in Libya despite U.S. President Barack Obama’s reluctance to allow his country to be drawn into another Middle East war.

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Retaking power: Gaddafi's forces appear to be gaining the upper hand in Libya


The Prime Minister cancelled a visit to Scotland planned for today and is instead expected to convene an emergency session of the Cabinet.

Last night he was speaking to leaders of Arab nations to encourage them to take part in the strike against Gaddafi.

Foreign Secretary William Hague said the resolution called for an immediate ceasefire and was necessary to ‘avoid greater bloodshed’.

The UK’s three criteria for a no-fly zone – a demonstrable need, a clear legal basis and broad regional support – were now all met, he said, adding: ‘This places a responsibility on members of the United Nations and that is a responsibility to which the United Kingdom will now respond.’

The resolution also tightened sanctions and introduced measures to make it harder for Gaddafi to employ foreign mercenaries.

Mr Hague added that the decision was the ‘culmination of hard work’ and that the measures were necessary to protect the people of Libya.

‘This resolution calls for an immediate ceasefire. For an end to violence,’ he said. ‘We have said all along that Gaddafi must go. ‘It is necessary to take these measures to avoid greater bloodshed. To try to stop what’s happening.’

Sir Mark Lyall Grant, British ambassador to the UN, said: ‘The international community has come together in deploring the actions of the Gaddafi regime and demanding that the regime end this violence against the Libyan people.” He said the UK was “ready to shoulder our responsibility”.

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Trigger happy: Libyan soldiers loyal to Muammar Gaddafi's forces are seen on the western entrance of the city of Ajdabiya


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A fleeing Libyan rebel falls from a truck driving back to the coastal city of Benghazi (left) while rebels parade with their guns in the streets of the eastern Libyan coastal town of Tobruk (right)


The move came after Colonel Gaddafi warned yesterday that there would be no hiding place for opposition forces in Benghazi.

In a radio address to the eastern city he said: ‘We will come, zenga, zenga. House by house, room by room. It’s over ... We are coming tonight.

‘You will come out from inside. Prepare yourselves from tonight. We will find you in your closets. We will have no mercy and no pity.’

He claimed he would offer pardon to those who laid down their arms, however, and told his troops not to pursue them. UN sources said military action could begin ‘within hours’ – although Russia was said to remain cautious.

Government sources suggested Gaddafi would be given 24 hours to call a ceasefire or face immediate airstrikes.

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Closing in: Libyan government soldiers move at the west gate of town Ajdabiya


In the wake of the Iraq war both the United States and Britain were determined to ensure that at least one Arab country was willing to provide direct support to any intervention.

The Arab League has already called for the imposition of a no-fly zone to stop the slaughter in Libya, and last night there were indications that two Arab countries were willing to participate in the initiative, with speculation centred on Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had earlier warned that imposing a no-fly zone would inevitably involve ‘bombing targets like the Libyan defence systems’.

Experts last night warned a no-fly zone would take up to two weeks to set up – although air strikes could be ordered much more quickly.

Government critics have questioned the ability of the UK to police a no-fly zone following defence cuts and the scrapping of the Harrier fleet.

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On the move: A Libyan government soldier aloft a tank at the west gate of town Ajdabiyah


But experts said Typhoon fighter jets could operate out of bases in the Middle East or mainland Europe – with France a possible option.

Shashank Joshi, an associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, said Britain could make a ‘very significant’ military contribution.

He added: ‘The Typhoons are available, as are the Nimrod reconnaissance aircraft following their reprieve. There are also frigates available. And there are special forces who could form rescue teams.’

But Patrick Mercer, a Tory MP and former Army colonel, warned: ‘It would appear that Colonel Gaddafi is almost at the gates of Benghazi, so you have to ask whether this is all going to be too late.’



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ne-Gaddafi-closes-Benghazi.html#ixzz1GuCzdpdK
 
Too little, too late. The rebels are almost finished.

As much as I want the US to stop being the world's policemen, leaving decisions like this to the UN is just retarded... even when they do make the right decision, they simply take too long, and then usually want the US to do the heavy lifting for them anyway. :cool:
 

FrostyBoy

Banned
It looks like the Brits and the French want to take this one. I say let them.
 
America has no leadership. Had we had leadership America would have taken the lead on this no-fly zone, but of course first things first. America would need to get in touch with the rebels, find out if there are different rebel factions and make sure to support the faction or factions that are NOT virulently anti-American or virutently pro-Al Qaida. Of course, if there are no factions that meet that criteria, fuck them, Gadaffi would be the lesser of two evils.

If there are factions that meet that criteria give them air cover, which is all they need. Gadaffi is so unpopular right now that he's bringing in mercs from other countries. A huge part of the Libyan military has joined the side of the rebels and if the pro-Gadaffi side of the military see American and UN planes providing the rebels air cover and see that we're serious about getting Gadaffi out of there, and knowing how awesome our planes are, that might just convince them to switch sides, so no U.S. (or even UN) ground troops would be necessary (other than any spec or black ops needed just to keep an eye on things).

This would have been a very easy way for Barry to show some backbone... I mean, what did our genius of a VP said during the campaign?

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/biden-obama-crisis/2008/10/20/id/326012
"We’re going to face a major international challenge,” Biden said. “They’re going to want to test him, just like they did young John Kennedy. They’re going to want to test him. And they’re going to find out this guy’s got steel in his spine.” Biden said.

But what do you expect from someone who condemns American involvement around the world? I mean, if Gadaffi were some benevolent dictator, well, sure why get rid of him? But he's not so why the hell do libs just keep siding with people like him? First Saddam and now this crazy bastard!
 
I'm afraid it seems it's too late.
This vote should have happened 1 or 2 weeks ago. Now, Ghaddafi almost annihilated the rebels.
Most likely the last rebels will be bombed today and Ghadaffi will be in control of the whole country before sunday.
 
Too little, too late. The rebels are almost finished.

As much as I want the US to stop being the world's policemen, leaving decisions like this to the UN is just retarded... even when they do make the right decision, they simply take too long, and then usually want the US to do the heavy lifting for them anyway. :cool:

I'm afraid it seems it's too late.
This vote should have happened 1 or 2 weeks ago. Now, Ghaddafi almost annihilated the rebels.
Most likely the last rebels will be bombed today and Ghadaffi will be in control of the whole country before sunday.
Maybe this was the west's plan? Authorise this action so it looks like they are doing something but do it so late that the rebels get defeated and the need for action evaporates so they don't have to do anything. Maybe the UN/West didn't expect the rebellion to last this long?
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
It looks like the Brits and the French want to take this one. I say let them.
I say the Brits can't hack it. Tiffies are only good for A2A and then they've shown severe reliability shortcomings; failing to intercept aging subsonic Soviet strategic bombers. As for the Nimrod... :rofl:
Harriers and Tornado's have a long history of A2G but aren't listed as available because in our arrogance we decided to get rid of them and rely on... wait for it... the APACHE! :facepalm:
Too little, too late. The rebels are almost finished.

As much as I want the US to stop being the world's policemen, leaving decisions like this to the UN is just retarded... even when they do make the right decision, they simply take too long, and then usually want the US to do the heavy lifting for them anyway. :cool:
I wish it wasn't true, but it is; the UN is a paper tiger.
Maybe this was the west's plan? Authorise this action so it looks like they are doing something but do it so late that the rebels get defeated and the need for action evaporates so they don't have to do anything. Maybe the UN/West didn't expect the rebellion to last this long?
^^Smart as ever, I believe you're correct. Naturally call me dave would support the privelidged few crushing the masses.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Fuck yeah! Bomb 'em back to the Stone Age. Or as they call it in Libya, last year.
 
While I think it terrible to stand by and watch atrocities like what is going on in Libya continue, I do not think the U.S. should take any leadership roles in this engagement. They are set up to do support at the moment - they're deployed reasonably nearby, and they have equipment and supplies to share, just not manpower. Let the Brits lead this one, they are able - If they throw their weight behind it, they'll quash Gaddafi in no time flat.

I hope this shit is short-lived, and there is very little damage to human life and infrastructure. It will end up being UN nations who pay to fix it. Remember the Balkans? This is a repeat. Gaddafi = Milosevic
(but don't tell him. He thinks he's unique.)
 

FrostyBoy

Banned
I say the Brits can't hack it. Tiffies are only good for A2A and then they've shown severe reliability shortcomings; failing to intercept aging subsonic Soviet strategic bombers. As for the Nimrod... :rofl:
Harriers and Tornado's have a long history of A2G but aren't listed as available because in our arrogance we decided to get rid of them and rely on... wait for it... the APACHE! :facepalm:

I wish it wasn't true, but it is; the UN is a paper tiger.

^^Smart as ever, I believe you're correct. Naturally call me dave would support the privelidged few crushing the masses.

I have no idea what A2A or A2G is but, if Britain, France, or Europe in general can't get its shit together, militarily, over a backyard neighbor like Libya; then the US needs to find some better allies.

While I think it terrible to stand by and watch atrocities like what is going on in Libya continue, I do not think the U.S. should take any leadership roles in this engagement. They are set up to do support at the moment - they're deployed reasonably nearby, and they have equipment and supplies to share, just not manpower. Let the Brits lead this one, they are able - If they throw their weight behind it, they'll quash Gaddafi in no time flat.

I hope this shit is short-lived, and there is very little damage to human life and infrastructure. It will end up being UN nations who pay to fix it. Remember the Balkans? This is a repeat. Gaddafi = Milosevic
(but don't tell him. He thinks he's unique.)

Two thumbs way, way up. :clap: Not with just what I highlighted but the whole post. Somebody else needs to lead one of these fights, for a change.
 
I have a feeling the rebels will be going west very soon to Tripoli. The no fly zone mandate will allow air strikes on ALL Libyan military assets not just aircraft and helicopters.
 
Ronald Reagan did not declare war on Poland after it's leadership tried to crush the Solidarity movement. Eisenhower did not send troops after the Soviets came into Hungary in 1956. Bush the elder waited tilll he had UN backing to go after Saddam, after Iraq's very blantant invasion of Kuwait.

The US has been bogged down in two costly wars for the better part of a decade. It would not be prudent for us to start a third one.
 
Gaddafi threatens to attack passenger jets and ships in the Med as UN finally backs air strikes to protect Libyan rebels

* Military action against Gaddafi backed by ten votes to zero
* China, Russia, Brazil, India and Germany all opt to abstain
* Libyan dictator threatens planes and ships in Mediterranean
* Country's air space now closed to all traffic ahead of attack
* British and French jets poised as action could begin 'in hours'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...otes-protect-Libyan-rebels.html#ixzz1GwlCX3HA


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Solidarity: UK Representatives Mark Lyall and Susan Rice for the U.S. sit together as they raise their hands in support of a no-fly zone over Libya during the meeting of the UN security council last night

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Military might: RAF Typhoon fighter jets are likely to be among the first sent out to establish and police the no-fly zone, experts predict
 
where next i wonder ? and i mean non-oil dictatorships !
 

emceeemcee

Banned
Blaming the UN for dragging it's heels on this doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. It's not a sovereign body that makes decisions for itself.It's all down to the willingness of the member states.

I think the plan of the major western powers has been to string this thing out as long as they can, wait until it gets desperate for the rebels and then ride on in on a white horse and save the day just as the rebels are about to be defeated. Then the rebels will of course be indebted to us and give us whatever we demand (a new base to add to the empire, favorable oil contracts etc) The whole thing could have been prevented,pretty much what happened in Kuwait.

A no fly zone is a perfect oppertunity to get a base on Libyan territory- "oh it be sooooo much easier if we just had an airstrip we could operate from rather than have to use carriers etc". Before you know it we have another oil state under the western yoke.


Anyone who thinks this is being done for the benefit of the Libyans isn't paying attention to history.
 
End human rights imperialism!!!

Wait... what?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/dec/31/human-rights-imperialism-james-hoge

And this was a very, VERY interesting read, not that long to read though
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=1689
What we see in this essay is moral relativism finally taken to its logical conclusion. No longer will the Left be able to claim credit for the “good” aspects of two fundamentally oppositional viewpoints.

Either you are for respecting native cultures and native value systems, or you are for bringing “human rights” (i.e. “Western values”) to Third World peoples. But you can’t do both simultaneously.

Yet that is exactly what the Left has been doing for decades — claiming credit as the world’s humanitarians and advocates for universal human rights, while at the same time claiming credit as the defenders of native cultures and opponents of imperialism.
 
Libya calls for cease-fire amid foreign military moves

(CNN) -- Libya called for a cease-fire and a halt to military action on Friday, hours after the U.N. Security Council authorized the use of force to protect besieged civilians in Libya.

Libyan Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa, speaking to reporters Friday in Tripoli, said that in light of its membership in the United Nations, the country is "obliged to accept the Security Council resolution that permits the use of force to protect the civilian population."

"Therefore, Libya has decided an immediate ceasefire and the stoppage of all military operations," Koussa said.

Earlier Friday, talk of swift military action against Moammar Gadhafi's regime emerged in Europe.

British Prime Minister David Cameron said Britain has started preparations to deploy aircraft, and "in the coming hours" they will move to air bases where they will be positioned for any "necessary action."

Spain will offer NATO the use of two military bases and also provide air and naval forces for use in operations involving Libya, Defense Minister Carme Chacon said on Friday in Madrid, a defense ministry spokesman told CNN.

The two bases to be offered in southern Spain are the Rota air-naval station, where a contingent of U.S. troops is also based, and the airbase at Moron de la Frontera. Those, as well as the offer to provide air and naval assets, would be subject to parliamentary approval, the minister said at an event at a Spanish air base in Madrid, the spokesman said.

The council Thursday night voted 10 to 0 with five abstentions to authorize "states to take all necessary measures to protect civilians" and it imposed a no-fly zone, banning all flights in Libyan airspace, with exceptions that involve humanitarian aid and evacuation of foreign nationals.

The decisive Security Council move comes after weeks of civil war between the Gadhafi regime and opposition forces, a conflict spurred by an anti-government uprising and regime violence against civilians -- which the U.N. resolution cites as "outrageous."

Koussa says the country is disappointed in the imposition of a no-fly zone, arguing that it will hurt the civilian population and he said the use of military power violates the country's sovereignty.

"There are signs this indeed might take place," Koussa said, referring to the use of military power.

It was not immediately clear just how an international military operation and possible strikes against the Libyan military might unfold.

The United States and NATO partners have contingencies in place to act within hours, according to an administration official familiar with planning.

The contingencies include air strikes and cruise missile attacks designed to cripple Libyan air defenses and punish military units leading Gadhafi's push on opposition strongholds in the east, the official said.

U.S. President Barack Obama will insist on a major Arab role in any no-fly zone, the official said.

The Arab League's U.N. ambassador, Yahya Mahmassani, said two Arab countries would take part in a no-fly zone operation, but he was not sure which two.

U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz told a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on Thursday that establishing a zone would take "upwards of a week."

But the U.S. military does not view a no-fly zone alone as sufficient to stop Gadhafi. Military officials have said that this move would not halt the heavy artillery the regime is using on the ground.

All commercial air traffic has been shut down in Libya, an official at Eurocontrol said on Friday.

Kaim, speaking in Tripoli, told reporters after the vote that the country will safeguard civilians and its territorial integrity. He called on the international community to send a fact-finding mission to the African nation but not lend material support to rebels.

The opposition, with devoted but largely untrained and under-equipped units, has suffered military setbacks this week. But their hopes were buoyed by the U.N. vote, particularly in rebel-held Benghazi, where an assault by pro-Gadhafi forces has been expected.

The resolution singles out the city. It says U.N. member states can "take all necessary measures ... to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force."

Gadhafi's son Saadi told CNN Thursday evening that troops will change their tactics and take up positions around Benghazi Saturday or Sunday and assist people fleeing from the city.

The younger Gadhafi said there will be no large-scale assault. Instead police and anti-terrorism units will be sent into the rebel stronghold to disarm the opposition. Unspecified humanitarian groups can help with the exodus of civilians from Benghazi, Saadi Gadhafi said.

In a radio address aired on Libyan state TV, Gadhafi criticized residents of Benghazi and called them "traitors" for seeking help from outsiders.

Along with France, Britain and the United States voted for the resolution, which condemns the "gross and systematic violation of human rights, including arbitrary detentions, enforced disappearances, torture and summary executions."

It details enforcement of an arms embargo against Libya, the freezing of assets and a ban on most flights.

"The United States stands with the Libyan people in support of their universal rights," said U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice.

The abstentions came from China, Russia, Germany, India, and Brazil. Germany said it was concerned about a protracted military conflict. China said it opposes the use of armed force in international relations.

My opinion is that's one more trick ffrom Ghaddafi, to buy some time. But this is good news : It means the UN military operation will really cuse damages to his plans to annihilate the rebels.
 
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