Obama's approval rate drops......

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

PS: I find the "Tea Party movement" as an incredible insult to an extremely important, historical benchmark in the post-medieval world. Unless you're willing to risk life, liberty and limb to defend what you consider your rights, you can't liken yourself to those who did. That'd be like protesting the cancellation of Freaks and Geeks by reading a speech starting with, "I have a dream..."

I'm no Rightist stooge. Just for the record.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Mega you are the living end.
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I'm not weighing in to your debate, but I gotta admit that was pretty good! :scream:

 

[~~whimsy~~]

I rarely listen or watch Hannity, so yeah, that was a little callous of me to assume he stole the idea. And I do remember that little Stern/Hannity romance. Stern fans would call in and Bash Howard for liking the guy (the person, not the talk show host.)

I wonder if anybody would notice if Andrew Wilkow filled in for Hannity one day. They literally sound exactly the same.

I bet most those people do not realize Stern is a libertarian.

Hannity must have a thing for libertarians given his friendships with Neal Boortz and Howard Stern.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

I bet most those people do not realize Stern is a libertarian.

Hannity must have a thing for libertarians given his friendships with Neal Boortz and Howard Stern.

You think Stern is a Libertarian??? I know he "ran" as a Libertarian during his stint as a candidate for governor of NY, but he's as much a Libertarian as Tiger Woods is a monogamist.

Stern would like socialized medicine, banning tobacco, taxes on junk food and soda, taxing fat people, unlimited term limits and government sanctioned internment camps and profiling.

The only Libertarian thing about Howard is that he never chimes in on *** control. That's probably becau$e he'$ one of the 100 Manhattan resident$ allowed to conceal a handgun.

That's the problem with the L word. Everybody who's not an R or a D calls themselves a Libertarian.

 

[Rey C.]

They both broke the rules and have to pay the price, sorry but rules are rules. If anyone of us where to do what they did and especially after the mods warmed them BOTH of what would happen they STILL went an broke the rules, they deserve what they got. Who know how long the are both ****** for anyways.

Yes. They are bad girls. Very bad girls. They need to be punished. And a good ol' fashioned Rey C. spanking is the only thing (that I can think of ) that will put them back on the right path.

Jokes aside, I do look forward to both of them coming back though. Hopefully it won't be too long.

Just in this thread, look at how much Mariah added. That's what (IMO) this board needs more of. When OCSM's offer a political opinion, they really do risk alienating some part of their potential fanbase. I'm sure that's why most of them NEVER participate in threads like this. Better to just keep quiet and stay on the fence. That way, there's no chance that anybody will get pissed at you. It takes guts for them to say how they feel. I was JUST about to ask Mariah how she felt about "free trade" when I noticed that she'd been ******. I'm genuinely curious to know how she feels about that... and I think she also has the ability to tell me why she feels however she feels on the issue.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

You think Stern is a Libertarian??? I know he "ran" as a Libertarian during his stint as a candidate for governor of NY, but he's as much a Libertarian as Tiger Woods is a monogamist.

Stern would like socialized medicine, banning tobacco, taxes on junk food and soda, taxing fat people, unlimited term limits and government sanctioned internment camps and profiling.

The only Libertarian thing about Howard is that he never chimes in on *** control. That's probably becau$e he'$ one of the 100 Manhattan resident$ allowed to conceal a handgun.

That's the problem with the L word. Everybody who's not an R or a D calls themselves a Libertarian.

Well I know Stern endorsed Ron Paul during the elections. Now what is a libertarian? Usually stands for republican issues when it comes to the national/international issues and stands for democrat social issues when it comes to *****, sex, and things people do in the privacy of their homes or does not "harm" others.

What's the difference between a republican and libertarian? Libertarian smokes weed... :tongue:

Does Stern want the issues you speak of?

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Well I know Stern endorsed Ron Paul during the elections. Now what is a libertarian? Usually stands for republican issues when it comes to the national/international issues and stands for democrat social issues when it comes to *****, sex, and things people do in the privacy of their homes or does not "harm" others.

What's the difference between a republican and libertarian? Libertarian smokes weed... :tongue:

Does Stern want the issues you speak of?

That's actually a myth. Stern NEVER endorsed Dr. Paul. I think he once played a clip from the primaries and said that Paul sounded reasonable. But he never endorsed him and made it clear when some magazine claimed he did.

Get this, during the primaries, Stern was torn between Hilary and Giuliani, ultimately endorsing Hilary. Then endorsing Obama when he won the primary. That alone is mind boggling.

The American Libertarian movement is basically socially liberal and fiscally and Constitutionally conservative. **** laws, marriage laws and abortion laws should be somewhat liberally minded, but also state matters, not Federal ones. There's no Constitutional basis for them to be. Very limited *** control, limited social programs, an end to any war not fought solely for defense and the abolition of a draft.

Basically, do what you'd like, so long as it doesn't impact anybody but you. The state won't ask you to **** Iraqis, so don't ask the state to buy your clunker.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Oh and yeah, all the bans, taxes and entitlements I mentioned are expressly endorsed by Howard Stern. He's Bloomberg's bitch.

And, if you haven't noticed, I'm a big Ron Paul fag. So I may come off a bit strong when it comes to Libertarianism. I don't mean to sound like a dick in the event that I have.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

I don't know much about Howard nowadays. Either way, yup, that is a libertarian stance on it.

Self responsibility, limited government involvement, and all around take care of yourself and loved/cared ones.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

I don't know much about Howard nowadays. Either way, yup, that is a libertarian stance on it.

Self responsibility, limited government involvement, and all around take care of yourself and loved/cared ones.

Imagine growing up in this era. When the government pays you to buy a car or caulk your windows...or to pay mortgage payment you can't afford. We owe so much money that they had to extend how much debt we can have to 13 trillion dollars...yet nearly 60 Democrats were willing to vote for a government health insurance plan and they're probably gonna pass a second stimulus.

If those in Washington are our leaders, we're positively fucked. Self reliance and responsibility is now bordering somewhere between a joke and a delusional concept.

 

[Rey C.]

Oh and yeah, all the bans, taxes and entitlements I mentioned are expressly endorsed by Howard Stern. He's Bloomberg's bitch.

And, if you haven't noticed, I'm a big Ron Paul fag. So I may come off a bit strong when it comes to Libertarianism. I don't mean to sound like a dick in the event that I have.

Well, with Mariah on the sidelines for a bit, you're a good person to ask. What is your stance on "free trade", and how do you feel about the Club for Growth's attacks on Ron Paul, based upon his voting record on certain trade legislation?

As I understand it, here's the CfG breakdown of the bone they've been picking with him:

Free Trade

Free trade is a vital policy for maximizing economic growth. In recent decades, America’s commitment to expanding trade has resulted in lower costs for consumers, job growth, and higher levels of productivity and innovation.

Ron Paul has opposed many free trade agreements during his time in Congress:

• Voted against Fast Track Authority
• Voted against a free trade agreement between the U.S. and Chile
• Voted against free trade with Singapore
• Voted against free trade with Australia
• Voted against CAFTA
• Voted against the U.S.-Bahrain trade agreement
• Voted against the Oman trade agreement
• Voted against normal trade relations with Vietnam

While Paul’s rhetoric is soundly pro-free trade, his voting record mirrors those of Congress’s worst protectionists.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

Imagine growing up in this era. When the government pays you to buy a car or caulk your windows...or to pay mortgage payment you can't afford. We owe so much money that they had to extend how much debt we can have to 13 trillion dollars...yet nearly 60 Democrats were willing to vote for a government health insurance plan and they're probably gonna pass a second stimulus.

If those in Washington are our leaders, we're positively fucked. Self reliance and responsibility is now bordering somewhere between a joke and a delusional concept.

Sad but true...

I know what you are talking about. Heck, if you think about it, people get paid just to **** up and get out of bed *cough*welfare*cough* and do nothing.

People will soon, hopefully, see the error of their voting and allowing of so much government control they will quickly do a 180. However, sadly, I am afraid by the time that happens government will have such a strong hold on everything when they turn around they will only slam into a brick wall with a sign stating: Government Controlled

 

[Hot Mega]

Sad but true...

I know what you are talking about. Heck, if you think about it, people get paid just to **** up and get out of bed *cough*welfare*cough* and do nothing.

People will soon, hopefully, see the error of their voting and allowing of so much government control they will quickly do a 180. However, sadly, I am afraid by the time that happens government will have such a strong hold on everything when they turn around they will only slam into a brick wall with a sign stating: Government Controlled

I heard a joke once; The difference between Demo welfare and Repub welfare? Demos let you sit around at home and collect a check...Repubs make go drive someplace else, sit around and collect a check.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Well, with Mariah on the sidelines for a bit, you're a good person to ask. What is your stance on "free trade", and how do you feel about the Club for Growth's attacks on Ron Paul, based upon his voting record on certain trade legislation?

As I understand it, here's the CfG breakdown of the bone they've been picking with him:

I'm actually a bad one to ask because I've been against NAFTA and CAFTA. While I side with Libertarians on most issues and Free Market advocates on many issues, free trade and favored nation trade status has never worked for me. So, unfortunately, I can't argue with you there.

Our trade status has been majorly fucked since Nixon. That's why I'm writing this on a Japanese computer manufactured in China, which is sitting on a table made in Taiwan. My girl's ****** in the bed right next to me. I can almost guarantee that the blanket and pillow she's on was made in China or Honduras.

With domestic policies, however, I'm pretty much by "the book." I have tremendous admiration and respect for Paul, but I never worshiped him and never found him without fault.

 

[Rey C.]

^^^ Fair enough.

 

[Baill Inneraora]

If you would have told me that 11 months after the inaugural:

• We are escalating a war in the Middle East
• Insurance Companies stocks hit a record high after a deal is reached to pass a watered down health care bill
• Bank profits reach an all time high
• The deficit hits record highs*

I would have been absolutely convinced that a Republican was elected in 2008.

* Contrary to popular belief, until now, the deficit under Dems has tended to be lower than the deficit under Repubs

 

[Hot Mega]

If you would have told me that 11 months after the inaugural:

• We are escalating a war in the Middle East
• Insurance Companies stocks hit a record high after a deal is reached to pass a watered down health care bill
• Bank profits reach an all time high
• The deficit hits record highs*

I would have been absolutely convinced that a Republican was elected in 2008.

* Contrary to popular belief, until now, the deficit under Dems has tended to be lower than the deficit under Repubs

Ignoring some pretty glaring and obvious realities there BI.

For example, wouldn't it just make sense (no matter what party is in the WH) where 2 wars are ongoing, banks and other industries requested and got bailout loans... unemployment claims are high (so corresponding revenue from taxes is lower) that the government's short term expenses will bey higher than the short term revenue (deficit)?

I would also think that if banks are realize record profits after being on the brink of collapse less than a year ago....that a good thing for Americans..no?

 

[Baill Inneraora]

Sure, some of a couple of the points were in jest, but the over all biggest disappointment to me is how this health care bill got screwed up.

If it was reform why insurance companies are happy as can be?

Sure we can sit around and blame Lieberman, convenient, but the WH has to accept most of the blame.

 

[Hot Mega]

Sure, some of a couple of the points were in jest, but the over all biggest disappointment to me is how this health care bill got screwed up.

If it was reform why insurance companies are happy as can be?

Sure we can sit around and blame Lieberman, convenient, but the WH has to accept most of the blame.

Good and real reform shouldn't have to come at the expense of anyone's happiness.

That's the false demon too many people fall for; legislation can't be good because some constituency is happy.

If they are happy that would seem to silence some of the phony opposition critics who claimed incessantly that private insurance companies would be run out of business.

Ideally all parties should be happy for coherent reform since it saves all involved...insurance companies don't stand a long term shot with the way the current system is..:2 cents:

BTW....the US congress crafts law. If they can't get effective law ******..it's the leaders of the congress who bear most of the blame.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Sure, some of a couple of the points were in jest, but the over all biggest disappointment to me is how this health care bill got screwed up.

If it was reform why insurance companies are happy as can be?

Sure we can sit around and blame Lieberman, convenient, but the WH has to accept most of the blame.

I heard a senator say this is only round one,that later a public option will be added,lets hope it's not too long away in coming.

I have to agree with you as it stands what appears may be ****** is pretty disappointing.Anything that the insurance and **** companies seem to favor isn't in the publics interest.And again your right that blame for it is not just on the Liebermanns of the world but Obama and everyone else involved is to blame not least of all the american people who have not stood behind reforms advocates nearly strongly enough.