Obama's approval rate drops......

I make more sense than you do. I have lived in a system which was based on the redistribution of taxes levied on salaries of the honest hardworking citizens. We have made 30 years of social assisting in France where the non working and assisted people benefitted of social helps, financial helps and even got flats/appartment in priority before born and bred French citizens. And guess who always benefitted from these helps? Migrants from the Magrheb. Have they integrated themselves well in our society? No, not really. It was also the same thing during 30 years in Sweden but they decided to change that.
****** charity is never a good thing. I don't give a damn if one is miserable or not, I am not ****** theresa, my money is my money. I have worked hard enough to get my salary so I have my own right to manage my money how I want.

So I guess we can scratch the ol "equal distribution of misery" malarkey in favor of reality now.:hatsoff:

Here's the deal...there are some people who believe that there are some people who make "too much money". And because of that, they believe it's okay to ***** those people to fund the livelihoods of others. That's wrong IMO.

On the other end, there are those who believe that the money they make happens on an island. That it is the exclusive product of their hard work and that hard work produces money out of thin air. Lost on them is the association of some other person deciding to spend their money on some product or service..which presumably their money came from the same cycle and so on and so on and so on.

Ergo...unless you live on an island....whatever money you make separate from your own, independent wealth comes at the largess of someone else.

Now if you want to live on your own island where you make ALL the rules...you will most certainly be free of any encumbrances which tie you to a country.

However, if you want to live in a country there are certain realities that come with that. One such reality is those who run the country have larger interests. And that its quite likely they will believe that a country with their productivity (aka GDP) can provide those in their country a minimum standard of living under certain circumstances.

Reality no. 1-All g'ment money comes from taxation irrespective of it's various names (tariffs, fees, fines, assessments, etc.), they are all taxes.

Reality no. 2-One of the top priorities of developed countries is to ensure minimum living standards for it's people.

Now you put those two realities together and that's the reality you live in unless you have your own island.

The last reality....is my own...being that Georges this post is merely an exercise as I don't expect ANY of it to wet you. I freely accept that much of this is frankly beyond your evolution in thinking. And I understand that it will never dawn on you that this is a reflection of reality whether we agree with it or like it or not.:yinyang:
 
responsible fatherhood? that wasnt an issue of it.

Here's one documentation out of an exhaustive number that affirms it was:

"In 1995, the Million Man March brought marches back onto the national stage in a dramatic way. The first event of that scale organized in decades, the demonstration drew nearly one million African-American men and boys to Washington. Many federal workers stayed home in anticipation of disruptive protests. But a funny thing happened. The marchers hadn't come to demand passage of a legislative agenda or to bring pressure to bear on national politicians. Instead, they had gathered to make a promise to themselves--and to each other--to improve their lives and their families. The men crowded shoulder-to-shoulder along the Mall and recited a 10-tier pledge about fatherhood and responsibility, and listened to exhortations from the likes of Maya Angelou, Jesse Jackson, Stevie Wonder, and Rosa Parks."

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Nation of islam, do you know what it means, do you? It seems your logic is like a fucking tree stump.
The one who is ignorant, it is you "wise" madam. Anyone who thinks that Rev Wright or Jesse Jackson weren't supportive of Farrakhan is an ignorant imbecile. Perhaps you live in a scummy suburb filled with ghetto gang members were on the wall of your residence is written :"snitches get stitches" make you scared of these people. Your mockery is lame as much as you are.

George you were asked very simply to produce evidence of Obama declaring a friendship with or admiration of the Rev Farrakhan to back up a statement that you had made. This you have so far failed to do.


I ask you again to provide evidence (if you are confused by the concept of evidence I will be happy to provide a set of working examples of the concept) incase you did not understand the question, (in much the same way I would when working with a small *****) where is the proof that Obama like and admires Farrakhan?

If you are unable to provide it and instead veer off in one of your Tourette poems then I will be ****** to conclude that you are a supreme bullshitter blinded by a simple minded hatred.

To conclude then - find the statements made by the president that show his personal support for Farrakhan. Or admit you just made it up.
 
youre right jolly he never said that, in public.
he actually said the opposite when hillary confronted him with his farakhan connections.
obama denounced him.
but with all do common sense in the matter ofcourse he wasnt gonna say "yes, i love the anti white, anti jew promoter of hatred and racial divisiveness".
so i take that for what its worth, not much.

but it is fact obama was very much involved in the million man march in 95 with farakhan, sharpton and his self proclaimed "mentor" wright, the right reverend wright.
its been said although its hard to find documentation that obama worked very close to farakhan in orginizing the fiasc..the event.

now wright has praised farakhan many times, thats fact.
obama did attend wrights church for 20 years, thats fact.
(which means he listened to the guy for 1,100 sundays.)
and farakhan has called obama the savior and the messiah and nation of islam has did support obama for years, also donated alot to his uprising, thats fact.
So one must ask why would such a anti white, anti jew, anti government, anti social group as big as the nation of islam support obama in such an enthusiatic way?

I hope i havnt come across as a little schoolgirl with my post. if you still like i'll fuck off back to the playground again.

I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and say he denounced Farrakhan because he disagreed with him and flat out didn't like him. This was mostly on account of Farrakhan being a religious nut job.

If you disagree, then I have to say your work is all ahead of you in explaining how you are able to reach this position, where Obama is a covert jew hater and yet he is able to pull the wool over Rham Emanuel's eyes enough to have him be his best political friend in all the world and run his administration for him. Or do you think Emanuel is naive and didn't bother to look into the background of this man who wrote a book all about his background? Emanuel, a man who is fairly observant in his faith might have got a whiff of anti semitism or is there a conspiracy theory to go with this?

Oh Gawd. I'm sorry, it is plainly ludicrous.
 
I really am not a grammar **** ,it's the ideas that are more repugnant and important ,but one or two mistakes is a laughable claim but again it's not very important.And as Bodie points out below you make many claims again that really are in sharp contrast to known facts and your posts really are just so much right wing bigoted over the top noise that only would appeal to a very low IQ.Every country and culture has had such types and probably always will.I know for example france has a rich history of great minds and a great history and then there are the bigots like yourself.
You say things like "Is Obama a wasp" for example as though only wasps could be a true american which is a truly un-american notion.We are a melting pot of many people cultures and religions.I am a wasp BTW.I wonder,do you consider wasps the only true frenchmen?Only a racist bigot would claim the only true american was a wasp, or maybe you might accept others as long as they are white right? Or why else do you talk about Obama being black.Don't answer that we all know why,you are not even good at being covert with your bias,might as well just come out and say what you really mean,most of us get it very clearly.
You have a good memory :-).
You are right I support the 2nd amendment,my opinion is we might need our guns someday to clean things up here against certain people.I know the other side feels the same way ,and they have guns so I think lefties should as well.;):eek:
One of the other things he mis-states is I was an Obama supporter before he was nominated.I originally was for Edwards,then Hillary.
And his reference to Oprah and other blacks really says a lot more about his racial views then it does about the people named.And the people who have chimed in saying to his posts "right on" are just displaying their bias as well.But again as I said earlier in the post all countries and cultures have had such.Racism ,intolerance, ignorance and and hatred and not new or unique.
Debating such people is fruitless though, they really should just be ignored
and marginalized as being beyond the pale of acceptable speech.Call it PC or whatever you like but at some point society's have to draw the line on what is acceptable.And bigotry is one place the line should be drawn.

:rofl:
I haven't called you an ignorant racist frog lately ,so lighten up.:thefinger
Let me help you with your english grammar here,this should read as follows
I didn't beleive that Obama is a born and bred American since the very beginning.
And you should keep in mind that my opinion of Obama counts just a little more than yours since I am an actual "born and bred" american like Obama.
I'm sure we could write on the head of a pin what I know about france as compared to you,and the case is even more so when we compare our knowledge of the USA between us.As to this issue of Obama's approval rating it really says more about the american people then it does Obama.We live in a society who expects politicians to be santa claus and to provide instant painless solutions.

Ok let me reply you politely.but strongly.
If you studied history the arrival of Europeans began the colonial history of the United States. The Thirteen Colonies, British colonies that would become the original US states, were founded along what is now the country's east coast beginning in 1607. Spain, France and Russia also founded settlements in what would become US territory, both before and after the British colonisation. Due to growing dissatisfaction with British rule, the thirteen British colonies issued a Declaration of Independence in 1776 and successfully fought the British army and local loyalists in the American Revolutionary War. In early 1781, the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union of the States were established, six months before the end of hostilities in the Revolutionary War. Two years later, the British government officially recognized the sovereignty and independence of the United States in the Treaty of Paris. After the nation split along state lines in 1861, the Civil War—the deadliest war in US history—reunified the country **********. In the nineteenth century, westward expansion of United States territory began, encouraged by the belief in Manifest Destiny, by which the United States would occupy all of North America east to west, from the Atlantic to the Pacific Oceans. By 1912, with the admission of Arizona to the Union, the US reached that goal. The outlying states of Alaska and Hawaii were both admitted to the Union in 1959.
Ratified in 1788, the US Constitution serves as the supreme law in organizing the government; the Supreme Court is responsible for upholding Constitutional law. Many forms of social progress started in the nineteenth century; those advancements have been widely reflected in the Constitution. Slavery was abolished in 1865 by the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution; the following Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments respectively guaranteed citizenship for all persons naturalized within US territory and voting for people of all races. In later decades, civil rights were extended to women and African-Americans, following effective lobbying from social activists. The Nineteenth Amendment prohibited gender discrimination in voting rights, later, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 outlawed racial segregation in public places.
The Thirteen Colonies began a rebellion against British rule in 1775 and proclaimed their independence in 1776. They subsequently constituted the first thirteen states of the United States of America, which became a nation state in 1781 with the ratification of the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union. The 1783 Treaty of Paris represented the Kingdom of Great Britain's formal acknowledgement of the United States as an independent nation. The United States defeated Britain with help from France, the United Provinces and Spain in the American Revolutionary War. The colonists' victory at Saratoga in 1777 led the French into an open alliance with the United States. It is a matter of debate which state was the first to recognize the United States, but the claim extends to the Republic of Ragusa (now the city of Dubrovnik)in Croatia, the Netherlands and Morocco.
In 1781, a combined American and French Army, acting with the support of a French fleet, captured a large British army led by General Charles Cornwallis at Yorktown, Virginia. The surrender of General Cornwallis ended serious British efforts to find a military solution to their American problem.In effect, "the United States was the first major colony successfully to revolt against colonial rule. In this sense, it was the first 'new nation'."
Trumbull's Declaration of IndependenceSide by side with the states' efforts to gain independence through armed resistance, a political union was being developed and agreed upon by them. The first step was to formally declare independence from Great Britain. On July 4, 1776, the Second Continental Congress, still meeting in Philadelphia, declared the independence of "the United States of America" in the Declaration of Independence. Although the states were still independent entities and not yet formally bound in a legal union, July 4 is celebrated as the nation's birthday. The new nation was dedicated to principles of republicanism, which emphasized civic duty and a fear of corruption and hereditary aristocracy.
A Union of the states with a constitutional government, the Congress of the Confederation first became possible with the ratification of the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union. The drafting of the Articles began in June 1776 in York, Pennsylvania and the approved text was sent to the States on November 15, 1777 for their ratification. While most States ****** laws to authorize their representatives in Congress to sign the document by 1778, Maryland refused to do so until a dispute between the states concerning Western land claims had been resolved. After Virginia ****** a law ceding its claims on January 2, 1781, Maryland became the 13th and final state to pass an Act to ratify the Articles on February 2, 1781. The formal signing of the Articles by Maryland was completed on March 1, 1781 in Philadelphia[27] and on the following day Samuel Huntington became the first President of the United States in Congress Assembled. However, it became apparent early on that the new constitution was inadequate for the operation of the new government and efforts soon began to improve upon it.A series of attempts to organize a movement to outline and press reforms culminated in the Congress calling the Philadelphia Convention in 1787. The structure of the national government was profoundly changed on March 4, 1789, when the American people replaced the confederation type government of the Articles with a federation type government of the Constitution. The new government reflected a radical break from the normative governmental structures of the time, favoring representative, elective government with a weak executive, rather than the existing monarchical structures common within the western traditions of the time. The system of republicanism borrowed heavily from the Enlightenment ideas and classical western philosophy: a primacy was placed upon individual liberty and upon constraining the power of government through a system of separation of powers.Additionally, the United States Bill of Rights was ratified on December 15, 1791 to guarantee individual liberties such as freedom of speech and religious practice and consisted of the first ten amendments of the Constitution. This period was, in many ways, a high-water mark for citizens' participation in local government, since Americans were skilled in local self-governance with strong traditions of civic participation in local town meetings. But the Constitution didn't specify what citizenship meant,and from this point on, citizens began showing up at town meetings less often, and accordingly the direction of citizenship became less defined by civic participation and more defined as a legal status.John Jay was the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, whose membership was established by the Judiciary Act of 1789, the first Supreme Court session was held in New York City on February 1, 1790. In 1803, the Court case Marbury v. Madison made the Court the sole arbiter of constitutionality of federal law.
George Washington—a renowned hero of the American Revolutionary War, commander-in-chief of the Continental Army, and president of the Constitutional Convention—became the first President of the United States under the new US Constitution. The ******* Rebellion in 1794, when settlers in the Pennsylvania counties west of the Allegheny Mountains protested against a federal tax on ****** and distilled drinks, was the first serious test of the federal government. At the end of his second presidential term, George Washington made his farewell address, which was published in the newspaper Independent Chronicle on September 26, 1796. In his address, Washington triumphed the benefits of federal government and importance of ethics and morality while warning against foreign alliances and formation of political parties. His vice-president John Adams succeeded him in presidency; Adams was a member of the Federalist Party. However, the Federalists became divided after Adams sent a peace mission to France despite ongoing disputes with that nation. Thomas Jefferson, a Democratic-Republican, defeated Adams for the presidency in the 1800 election.The Louisiana Purchase, in 1803, removed the French presence from the western border of the United States and provided US settlers with vast potential for expansion west of the Mississippi River. Slave importation from Africa became ******* in 1808, despite a growing plantation system in many southern states such as North Carolina and Georgia. In response to continued British impressment of American sailors into the Royal Navy, the Congress declared war on Britain in 1812.The United States and Britain came to a draw in the War of 1812 after bitter fighting that lasted until January 8, 1815, during the Battle of New Orleans. The Treaty of Ghent, officially ending the war, essentially resulted in the maintenance of the status quo ante bellum, however, crucially for the US, some Native American tribes had to sign treaties with the US government because of their losses in the war. During the later course of the war, the Federalists held the Hartford Convention in 1814 over concerns that the war would weaken New England. There, they proposed seven constitutional amendments meant to strengthen the region politically, but by the time the Federalists delivered them to Washington, DC, the recent American victories in New Orleans and the signing of the Treaty of Ghent undermined the Federalists' arguments and contributed to the downfall of the party. The Monroe Doctrine, expressed in 1823, proclaimed the United States' opinion that European powers should no longer colonize or interfere in the Americas. This was a defining moment in the foreign policy of the United States. The Monroe Doctrine was adopted in response to US and British fears over Russian and French expansion into the Western Hemisphere. It was not until the administration of Theodore Roosevelt that the Monroe Doctrine became a central tenet of US foreign policy. The Monroe Doctrine was then invoked in the Spanish-American War as well as later when Nicaragua sought aid from the Soviet Union.In 1830, Congress ****** the Indian Removal Act, which authorized the president to negotiate treaties that exchanged Native American tribal lands in the eastern states for lands west of the Mississippi River. This established Andrew Jackson, a military hero and President, as a cunning tyrant in regards to native populations. The act resulted most notably in the ****** migration of several native tribes to the West, with several thousand people dying en route, and the Creeks' violent opposition and eventual defeat. The Indian Removal Act also directly caused the ceding of Spanish Florida and led to the many Seminole Wars. Settlers crossing the Plains of NebraskaIn its mission to end slavery, the abolitionist movement gained a large following from both black and white races. The American Anti-Slavery Society was politically active from 1833 to 1839 for the government to abolish slavery, but Congress imposed a "gag rule" that rejected any citizen's request against slavery.William Lloyd Garrison, formerly associated with the Society, then began publication of the anti-slavery newspaper The Liberator in Boston, Massachusetts in 1831, and Frederick Douglass, an ex-slave, began writing for that newspaper around 1840 and started his own abolitionist newspaper North Star in 1847.The Republic of Texas was annexed by president John Tyler in 1845. The US army, using regulars and large numbers of volunteers, defeated Mexico in 1848 during the Mexican-American War. Public sentiment in the US was divided as Whigs and anti-slavery ****** opposed the war. The 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ceded California, New Mexico, and adjacent areas to the United States, about thirty percent of Mexico. Westward expansion was enhanced further by the California Gold Rush, the discovery of gold in that state in 1848. Numerous "forty-niners" trekked to California in pursuit of gold; land-hungry European immigrants also contributed to the rising white population in the west. In 1849 cholera spread along the California and Oregon Trails. It is estimated that over 150,000 Americans died during the two cholera pandemics between 1832 and 1849. In the middle of the 19th century, white Americans of the North and South were to reconcile fundamental differences in their approach to government, economics, society and African American slavery. The issue of slavery in the new territories was settled by the Compromise of 1850 brokered by Whig Henry Clay and Democrat Stephen Douglas; the Compromise included admission of California as a free state and the passage of the Fugitive Slave Act to make it easier for masters to reclaim runaway slaves. In 1854, the proposed Kansas-Nebraska Act abrogated the Missouri Compromise by providing that each new state of the Union would decide its stance on slavery.By 1860, there were nearly four million slaves residing in the United States, nearly eight times as many from 1790; within the same time period, cotton production in the U.S. boomed from less than a thousand tons to nearly one million tons per year. There were some slave rebellions – including by Gabriel Prosser (1800), Denmark Vesey (1822), and Nat Turner (1831) – but they all failed and led to tighter slave oversight in the south.After Abraham Lincoln won the 1860 Election, eleven Southern states seceded from the union between late 1860 and 1861, establishing a new government, the Confederate States of America, on February 8, 1861.The Civil War began on April 12, 1861, when Confederate ****** attacked a US military installation at Fort Sumter in South Carolina.Along with the northwestern portion of Virginia, four of the five northernmost "slave states" did not secede and became known as the Border States. In response to this, on April 15, Lincoln called on the states to send detachments totaling 75,000 troops to recapture forts, protect the capital, and "preserve the Union", which in his view still existed intact despite the actions of the seceding states. The two armies had their first major clash at the First Battle of Bull Run, which ended in a surprising Union defeat, but, more importantly, proved to both the Union and Confederacy that the war was going be much more longer and bloodier than they had originally anticipated. The war soon divided into two theaters, the Eastern and Western theaters. In the western theater, the Union was quite successful, with major battles, such as Perryville ending up being strategic Union victories, destroying major confederate operations. Things in the East, however, were not as successful. Many of the Union armies (most notably the Army of the Potomac) ended up having commanders who had serious flaws in them example- George B. McClellan always overestimating the size of the enemy) while Confederate commanders (the most famous being Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson) were most of the time master strategists who utilized their available resources to their advantage. Because of this, the Union ended up losing to the Confederates at often ****** and humiliating battles (Battles of Fredericksburg and Chancellorsville). However, things changed for the Union when North Carolinians under Brig. Gen. J. Johnston Pettigrew noticed Union cavalry under Brig. Gen. John Buford arriving south of the town of Gettysburg. The resulting three-day Battle of Gettysburg ended up being the bloodiest battle of the Civil War and is considered by many historians to be the turning point of the war.On the following day in the west, Union ****** under the command of General Ulysses S. Grant gained control of the Mississippi River at the Battle of Vicksburg, thereby splitting the Confederacy. At the beginning of 1864, Lincoln made General Grant commander of all Union armies. The following two years of the war ended up being ****** for both sides, with Grant launching a war of attrition against Confederate General Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia.
 
This war of attrition was divided into three main campaigns. The first of these, the Overland Campaign ****** Lee to retreat into the city of Petersburg where Grant launched his second major offensive, the Richmond-Petersburg Campaign in which he sieged the city of Petersburg. After a near ten-month siege, the city of Petersburg surrendered. However, the defense of Fort Gregg allowed Lee to move his army out of Petersburg. Grant pursued and launched the final, Appomattox Campaign which resulted in Lee surrendering his Army of Northern Virginia on April 9, 1865, at Appomattox Court House.When word of Lee's surrender spread across the country, many Confederate armies also surrendered, with Stand Watie being the last of the generals.Based on 1860 census figures, 8% of all white males aged 13 to 43 died in the war, including 6% in the North and an extraordinary 18% in the South, marking the American Civil War to be the deadliest war in American history. Its legacy includes ending slavery in the United States, restoring the Union, and strengthening the role of the federal government. The social, political, economic and racial issues of the war decisively shaped the reconstruction era that lasted to 1877, and brought changes that helped make the country a united superpower. Reconstruction took place for most of the decade following the Civil War. During this era, the "Reconstruction Amendments" were ****** to expand civil rights for black Americans.Those amendments included the Thirteenth Amendment, which outlawed slavery, the Fourteenth Amendment that guaranteed citizenship for all people born or naturalized within U.S. territory, and the Fifteenth Amendment that granted the vote for all men regardless of race. While the Civil Rights Act of 1875 forbade discrimination in the service of public facilities, the Black Codes denied blacks certain privileges readily available to whites.In response to Reconstruction, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) emerged around the late 1860s as a white-supremacist organization opposed to black civil rights. Increasing ****-motivated ******** from groups like the Klan influenced both the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1870 that classified the KKK as a terrorist group and an 1883 Supreme Court decision nullifying the Civil Rights Act of 1875, however, in the Supreme Court case United States v. Cruikshank the Court interpreted the Fourteenth Amendment as regulating only states' decisions regarding civil rights.The case defeated any protection of blacks from terrorist attacks, as did the later case United States v. Harris. During the era, many regions of the southern U.S. were military-governed and often corrupt, Reconstruction ended after the disputed 1876 election between Republican candidate Rutherford B. Hayes and Democratic candidate Samuel J. Tilden. Hayes won the election, and the South soon re-entered the national political scene.Following was the Gilded Age, a term that author Mark Twain used to describe the period of the late nineteenth century when there had been a dramatic expansion of American industry.By century's end, American industrial production and per capita income exceeded those of all other world nations and ranked only behind Great Britain. In response to heavy debts and decreasing **** prices, farmers joined the Populist Party. Later, an unprecedented wave of immigration served both to provide the labor for American industry and create diverse communities in previously undeveloped areas. From 1880 to 1914, peak years of immigration, more than 22 million people migrated to the United States.Abusive industrial practices led to the often violent rise of the labor movement in the United States.Influential figures of the period included John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie.During the war of Independance, there was a French General called Lafayette who helped the settlers to fight the Brits. There were also Germans, Dutch, Scandinavian and Eastern European migrants who migrated from Europe to the USA. Also let's not forget that during the 1918 till 1940, there was a massive immigration of Irish, Italian, Polish and Russian people.
I don't deny that the culture of the USA is a melting pot.I am not denying that various cultures and various religions have made its history.
France has a rich history too and great minds. One of the France biggest great minds was De Gaulle. He was respected and admired. But the later politicians are far to equal him. Mitterand was the finance minister of Petain during wwII and later turned his vest to join the resistance. However as a president Mitterand did quite a lot for France. Chirac was probably the most idiotic and the most irresponsible president France ever had.During 12 years, he has done nothing to make the economical situation better. Great minds are rare in France excepted l'Abbé Pierre, Soeur Emmanuelle, Jacques Delors, Philippe Seguin, Brice Hortefeux and Bernard Kouchner, the others are not to be considered as great minds. Community organizers and unionizers are often going against the interests of their country. I am not a bigot, I respect and admire people who migrated from their country and who are fully devoted to the country that has welcomed them. I really have a lot of respect for Powell and Rice.I wonder,do you consider wasps the only true frenchmen? First of all the predominent religion was and is catholicism, followed by islam, judaism and orthdoxy. So I don't consider wasps the as the only true frenchmen. And for a reminder, a lot of the settlers that migrated in the USA were protestants. Of course there were also catholics. I don't consider the true american as a wasp or an only white person. The notion of being American is being a patriot, supportive and respectful of its constitution, of the 2nd amendment and support the troops. I also think it has a lot to do with the educational background and the convictions of the persons. Yes, there are several religions that are practised in Europe and in USA, very often Islam is hardly compatible with Christian based religions or Judaism. Of course there are Christian people like the westboro baptist church that are bunch of assholes.
Regarding the second amendment, you have said in the past that you found the sales of semi auto assault rifles to civilians completely useless. So that is a proof that you are not wholly supportive of the second amendment.
The racism against whites exists, yet you act as if it has never existed:mad:
I and other people I know and knew have been indirectly victims of it. It doesn't go both ways. You are tolerant with people who are tolerant with you and respectful of your person, plain and simple. But community organizers and unionizers are rarely tolerant, they regroup their communities to spread **** against other groups, just look at Farrakan and Rev Wright.
Tolerance goes first by the respect and accpetation of each person and the respect and acceptation of this person towards you and your nation, it is also a reminder that the freedom of ones stops where the freedom of others begins, the customs and habits of your country and its constitution have to be respected.
Community organizers and unionizers which are often acting against the interest of their country should be sent in Jail and their goods seized. We live in a society were approximation and laissez faire are constant sources of troubles. Concrete and drastic measures even if they are painful are a necessity for maintaining law and public order.

In your previous post you said:
Let me help you with your english grammar here,this should read as follows
I didn't beleive that Obama is a born and bred American since the very beginning.
Yet in your other post, you claim I really am not a grammar **** ,it's the ideas that are more repugnant and important ,but one or two mistakes is a laughable claim but again it's not very important.
You acted in your previous kinda like someone holier than thou because of my english mistake, late in your last you claim that you are not grammar ****, contradictory attitude.
 
Honestly...I think Meester....and Georges have secret man-crushes on the "O"h....man :lovecoupl
 
Georges, I'm still looking for your proof that Obama is a fan of Farrakhan. What's keeping you?

Oh how this thread has grown. :rolleyes:
i'd love to read this proof too. post it, Georges.
what's keeping you? :dunno:
 
Also for Georges.

Why you posted all that cut from some web site american history is beyond me,it was not really relevant.

And I know that many frenchmen were catholics, just as many here in the US are catholics.I was just asking since it was you that had brought up wasps.

And while it's nice you say you admire Powell and Rice the sentence that follows that about people who come here from other countries seems to imply they came here from another country while both were born in the US.Another backhanded way to say they are not as much an american as maybe wasps?

And again you still cling to mis-stating my view on the 2nd amendment.I have never posted anything about semi-automatic weapons pro or con.In fact the only thing I have ever posted about guns that could be considered at all negative has been that while I support the right to bear arms of all types I have said there is a negative downside to the right which is the easier way people can commit ****** and killings since we have so many guns.People that claim having a large amount of guns in the country makes the country safer on a day to day basis are really deluding themselves.I don't feel it is helpfull to lie to try to defend the right.
 
Honestly...I think Meester....and Georges have secret man-crushes on the "O"h....man :lovecoupl

what a load of fucking bs :bs: and perhaps should I say that you have a love crush on Obama with FK? Really lame. :lame:I have my very own reasons to dislike Obama.
***** "O" is not someone I like and neither do a group of people here. You and another group of people are fond (fanboying) him no matter what he does. But the more the times flies, the more guy shows his true colors and his fucking incompetence to manage the first superpower. I don't like to have the "I told you so" attitude but unfortunately the way how Obama has led the Country leaves me to think that there will be nothing positive at the end. I am sorry to be such a cynic and horribly pessimistic guy but I deal with the reality and I don't live in wonderland.
 
facing the truth is never easy
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Uh, well....I got through the first two and said to myself...:lame::georges:

In the first one...Farrakhan says he is now free to say he supports Obama...its a free country. :dunno: It's a free country...he can support whomever he wants.

The second video Obama says he has consistently distanced himself from Farrakhan and his reprehensible statements.....what rev. Wright does is rev. Wright's business...

No need to look at the rest...your record on conflating different things is long and making conclusions where there are none is consistently inaccurate.

Why should any of the good members of this board think any differently after this latest Georges debacle??
 
Also for Georges.

1)Why you posted all that cut from some web site american history is beyond me,it was not really relevant.
2)And I know that many frenchmen were catholics, just as many here in the US are catholics.I was just asking since it was you that had brought up wasps.
3)And while it's nice you say you admire Powell and Rice the sentence that follows that about people who come here from other countries seems to imply they came here from another country while both were born in the US.Another backhanded way to say they are not as much an american as maybe wasps?
4)And again you still cling to mis-stating my view on the 2nd amendment.I have never posted anything about semi-automatic weapons pro or con.In fact the only thing I have ever posted about guns that could be considered at all negative has been that while I support the right to bear arms of all types I have said there is a negative downside to the right which is the easier way people can commit ****** and killings since we have so many guns.People that claim having a large amount of guns in the country makes the country safer on a day to day basis are really deluding themselves.I don't feel it is helpfull to lie to try to defend the right.
1) You told me in your very first reply to me :"I'm sure we could write on the head of a pin what I know about france as compared to you,and the case is even more so when we compare our knowledge of the USA between us."
I decided to quoted a part of the history that I studied at school and that I knew very well. You thought that I didn't know the history of America, so I decided to show you the opposite by lambasting you and writing the most important chapter, the history of the fundation of the USA. For the note, I studied history of America in my former classes and I had always the best marks.
2) Ok fair enough.
3) I couldn't give a **** whether they are yellow, green, blue, brown or grey.They are as American as Plain, Reagan, Clinton or whatever politician or general devoted his life and commitment to the USA. They both worked for the embetterment of the image of the USA.
4) I would rather have too many guns for myself defense that being victim of a police state.
 
Why should any of the good members of this board think any differently after this latest Georges debacle??
Because the so called promises made by Obama have not been realized and because the guy is really making things worse and worse.
 
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All these links prove is that Farrakhan supported Obama during the campaign as he was entirely free to do. Not the other way around. This was not what Jolly asked for.

The third video is just laughable. It's nothing other than a speculation piece with absolutely no journalistic merit whatsoever - you can see why Fox News would pick up the story. :rolleyes:
 
what a load of fucking bs :bs: and perhaps should I say that you have a love crush on Obama with FK? Really lame. :lame:I have my very own reasons to dislike Obama.
***** "O" is not someone I like and neither do a group of people here. You and another group of people are fond (fanboying) him no matter what he does. But the more the times flies, the more guy shows his true colors and his fucking incompetence to manage the first superpower. I don't like to have the "I told you so" attitude but unfortunately the way how Obama has led the Country leaves me to think that there will be nothing positive at the end. I am sorry to be such a cynic and horribly pessimistic guy but I deal with the reality and I don't live in wonderland.

I'm sorry Georges but in this instance the reality is that you made a statement and have been unable to provide any source for it whatsoever. None. Nada. Zilch. The plain truth is that nowhere will you find Obama supporting Farrakhan and his views. As an adult you have two choices, you can confess that you overstepped the mark in your criticism. Or you can continue to insist that Obama agrees with the views of Farrakhan even when he repeatedly, in person and through his campaign, denounced him.

What's it to be Georges?
 
I'm sorry Georges but in this instance the reality is that you made a statement and have been unable to provide any source for it whatsoever. None. Nada. Zilch. The plain truth is that nowhere will you find Obama supporting Farrakhan and his views. As an adult you have two choices, you can confess that you overstepped the mark in your criticism. Or you can continue to insist that Obama agrees with the views of Farrakhan even when he repeatedly, in person and through his campaign, denounced him.

What's it to be Georges?

:hatsoff: :hatsoff:

What's it to be Georges?

i'd give up if i were you. :2 cents:
 
I'm sorry Georges but in this instance the reality is that you made a statement and have been unable to provide any source for it whatsoever. None. Nada. Zilch. The plain truth is that nowhere will you find Obama supporting Farrakhan and his views. As an adult you have two choices, you can confess that you overstepped the mark in your criticism. Or you can continue to insist that Obama agrees with the views of Farrakhan even when he repeatedly, in person and through his campaign, denounced him.

What's it to be Georges?

There are things that are not being said directly because it can give a bad image. Obama played the card of a "nice" guy during his campaign and there is certainly more behind the scenes or connexions with Obama and other people that was and is unknown to the voters. Criticism against the nation of Islam is needed, and criticism against community unionizers and organizers is a mandatory. Even if it oversteps the mark, the community unionizers and organizers are people dividing the country rather than uniting it, they are a danger for the society.
Neither your point of view will change and neither will mine. So that is a status quo. You consider him as a savior and I consider him as a fucking failure, this is where the debate with you ends.
 
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