Lost

[calpoon]

I don't think we ever saw Jacob in the cabin, I think it was the other guy from the beginning of the episode that said he was going to **** Jacob; that was the guy in the cabin

That was BBB's theory.

I'm a bit confused here, because was it just me, or did it seem like Jacob's cabin in 2007 that the Ajira passengers went to was the same cabin that Rose and Bernard had been at in 1977? which doesn't add up with the original storyline that showed the cabin was built by Horace.

It also clearly showed the chalk ring around the cabin having been broken. Do you guys remember if that happened when Locke and Ben or Hurley went there? The implication I got was that Jacob had always been at the Statue site, or at least he had been there and not at the cabin when Locke first visited there... and as has been said it was the impostor/locke(?) that was there.

Does setting off the H-bomb imply that Dharma will never return to the island or does it mean that the Dharma timeline gets changed and this change means that the Swan Hatch won't bring down Oceanic 815?

I don't know if it matters, but it creates a casualty paradox. If they had never crashed on the Island then they wouldn't have traveled back in time and Daniel would not have told Richard to bury the H-bomb, nor would they have been there to set it off... which means they don't change the past because they were never there to change it, the incident happens and then their plane crashes on the island anyway.

So far the show seems to have followed Daniel's philosophy that you couldn't change the past/ "what happened, happened", such as how they prevented Ben from dying and Widmore and Alpert remembered Locke from 50 years ago even though it had only been a few days for him and how he saw his own past self and set up the situation to occur that way that he had experienced it.

So the most likely scenario to me is that Miles is right that they caused the Incident thinking that they were preventing it.

 

[DJCowboy]

The one thing that really bothered me was how did Faraday, as smart as he was, not stop to think by detonating the bomb that he actually would be the cause of the incident? I dunno, that just always bothered me and I'm glad Miles brought it up in the finale.

Favorite quote from the episode was definitely when they had just gotten an injured Sayid in the van and Miles' and Jack's conversation:

Miles: Well what if we travel through time?
Jack: We're not going to travel through time!
Miles: Right, because that would be impossible

 

[calpoon]

Oh, yeah and I ignored the glaringly obvious huge twist (although not unexpected) which is that they weren't just some random people on a plane that accidentally crashed, but they were all personally chosen by Jacob to come to the Island, so it would seem that the Incident was really incidental (pun intended) to them being there.

Just like Locke was chosen by Jacob's nemesis- remember that it was the faux Locke that told Richard to choose him, that's where he got the idea. So maybe the real destiny of the O6 is to come to the Island and save Jacob, or defeat his nemesis, or whatever, to restore the balance of power on the Island.

 

[curiousWAN]

since i'm bored let's participate this thread as well;

1. i was LOVING the show till i see black smoke. i'm just too logical to accept stuff like smoke grabbing your leg and dragging you some hole. that's just not possible. besides that smoke is so animation everytime i see it i just think what the fuck is this, how people keep talking about it? i really don't understand.

2. and even after i see black smoke, i was still loving it cause there was still some real mystery... who were the others? i always hope some pigme black crazy folk or you know, something not ordinary. but you can't make a lot of twists and conspiracy theories with simple tribes i guess so i don't know.

3. then, i keep watching because of Michelle Rodriguez but she died too.

i still watch dvdrips, like every 2 or 3 months, downloading whatever is available but not because i love it. and i love twists but twists even have twists in the last episodes i watched so i think it's really too much.

 

[calpoon]

I was reading some of the older posts and I came upon some more evidence to the smoke *******= evilocke theory posted by our lovely Lostie OCSM.

I'm also on fence about whether Locke is alive like he was, or whether he is in a state similar to Christian and being a channel for the Island's wishes.

and Vozzek (Lost theorist writer) mentioned that Locke and the ******* weren't in the same place at the same time in the last episode. And it was Locke that emerged from the forest when Ben told Sun that he couldn't control what was going to come out of the jungle.

At the very least, he is more in synch with the Island than ever before.

:thumbsup:

 

[calpoon]

since i'm bored let's participate this thread as well;

1. i was LOVING the show till i see black smoke. i'm just too logical to accept stuff like smoke grabbing your leg and dragging you some hole. that's just not possible.

To put it as simply as possible: the Island is magical. That is the whole point, it's a place where the impossible happens. People are cured from cancer, paralysis, and even come back from the dead.

The secret is that it's actually Fantasy Island. Do you think that it was a coincidence that Illiana called Alpert "Richardo"????

 

[curiousWAN]

To put it as simply as possible: the Island is magical. That is the whole point, it's a place where the impossible happens. People are cured from cancer, paralysis, and even come back from the dead.

The secret is that it's actually Fantasy Island. Do you think that it was a coincidence that Illiana called Alpert "Richardo"????

impossible even happens in possible ways. like, in a tropical island if you are getting ****** by a polar bear that's ok.

but if a penguin ***** you that's stupid.

 

[titsrock]

Fuck we have a long wait until Jan 2010.....

 

[calpoon]

impossible even happens in possible ways. like, in a tropical island if you are getting ****** by a polar bear that's ok.

but if a penguin ***** you that's stupid.

I don't know how far into the series you are- if you are reading this far on the thread waaay bigger spoilers have been revealed then what I am about to post- there was a scientific research facility on the Island and some of their experiments involved *******. Yup, the polar bears are just regular old polar bears that were brought there, nothing really magical or significant about them.

Although one of them did end up in the desert in Tunisia. Wonder how that happened. Did they stick it in the bottom of the Orchid and make it turn the wheel?

 

[curiousWAN]

Although one of them did end up in the desert in Tunisia. Wonder how that happened. Did they stick it in the bottom of the Orchid and make it turn the wheel?

what kind of an explanation do you expect? quantum mechanics mumbo jumbo or something worse.

if, that island is not a big experiment for the others too, including Ben. like, maybe they just put fancy lights behind that wheel and it has no freaking effect at all other than shaking the ground a bit, they just knock Ben out and carried to the desert?

 

[DJCowboy]

I was reading some of the older posts and I came upon some more evidence to the smoke *******= evilocke theory posted by our lovely Lostie OCSM.





:thumbsup:

I noticed those things as well and theorized it but kinda forgot about that. I do believe EvilLocke is smokey, but in the finale when Ben says that his dead ******** told him to do whatever John says, Locke seemed surprised by this. But then again, evilLocke probably assumed, given Ben's past, he'd have to manipulate Ben to **** him, which he still kinda did


And as far as the wheel is concerned, I think it does move the island. Even Chang said that there was a lot of anomaly down there and even before the Orchid is complete, he theorized time travel could be possible from there

 

[calpoon]

haha@ Swan

So your theory is that it's all fake, and in the end it's going to turn out that the 815 "survivors" were on a reality show?

 

[fewmany]

I bet the writers haven't decided which way to go for the finale and finding some of this various speculations quite inspiring

 

[calpoon]

Well that's always the debate. I think it was after season 3 when they announced that the series would have a definite end-point and that they had written the finale. Other people have accused them of just making it up as they go. I have a feeling that it's a little bit of both, that they wrote the history of the Island and then they have been playing with it, leaving some stuff in, taking some stuff out and seeing how it will flesh out until the end.

Also to foil spoilers leaking out secrets I know that they shot several different scenes for the season 4 finale revealing who was in the casket. I'm sure that they have done the same thing for the shows finale with different possible endings and they may have not yet decided which one they want to go with.

I think it was as far back as the end of season one that (c0-creator and writer) Damon Lindeloff said that he got kind of nervous when he saw that in fact someone had theorized the real outcome, and he said something like, "gee, I hope that it isn't so obvious!" But of course who knows if that is true and he just said that to get fan's buzzing even more.

 

[fewmany]

Exactly my point. Couldn't say it better

 

[calpoon]

Once again I have ignored the obvious. Perhaps the biblical story of Jacob will shed some more light on the Lost mythology.

Jacob's twin ******* was Esau and the two were at always at war with each other, from before their birth and down through all of their descendants. Jacob was the scholarly type and favored by their ******. Esau was a hunter and favored by their ****** and was the rightful heir to his kingdom. But Jacob impersonated Esau and tricked their ****** into giving it to him, at which time Esau swore that he would **** Jacob and have revenge (although he never did.)

Jacob was the one favored by God and his descendants were the twelve tribes of Israel, who ultimately were the victors over Esau's descendants. Remember that we had previously discussed the 815 Survivors as representing the Israelites in historical/biblical analogy of the Egyptians. Also in the finale someone ( I don't remember who it was?) specifically referred to Locke as Moses.

As I said before, it's not totally in sync and many of the roles are reversed (or do they only seem that way? is that a clue?) although the fact that those roles are present in the show's mythology indicates to me that it was not coincidental.

 

[calpoon]

Oh yeah, BTW:

The Oceanic Six who left the Island: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Sayid, Aaron

The Survivors that stayed behind: Sawyer, Jin, Rose, Bernard, Locke, Claire

= 12 (tribes of Israel)

am I grasping? yeah. maybe a little.

 

[don_equis]

I have to go back to season one since I got lost after season 2. Missed an episode here and there from season 3 and that all it took.

 

[fewmany]

... Also in the finale someone ( I don't remember who it was?) specifically referred to Locke as Moses.

It was Ben talking about he never got permission to see Jacob but when Locke asked, "He gets marched straight up here as if he was Moses".

 

[BellaBellini]

I was reading some of the older posts and I came upon some more evidence to the smoke *******= evilocke theory posted by our lovely Lostie OCSM.

Ha! It pays off to obsess about the show after all;p The finale was better than I ever imagined it would be. Giving us Jacob, the statue, and the Black Rock in the opening scene was just incredible. It made me scream all alone in my apartment

I'm so happy that the story is coming full circle and so many things from season one are being picked up. The writers definitely had the mythology of the show written and finalized right from the beginning. For example, here is a quote from Locke that pretty much says what the show has been about.

Locke explained the rules of Backgammon to Walt, mentioning that "There are two players. One side is light, and one side is dark." ("Pilot, Part 2")'

The writers have tried to turn stereotypes on their heads so I'm still not entirely convinced that Jacob is good even though he is obviously the light player. But my heart is totally with Jacob right now. After all he brought all the Losties together and he does seem to care for them. I loved seeing him step in to pay for the lunch box that Kate stole!

But on the other hand he does seem to be trying to change things, where as his dark nemesis seems to be on the side of whatever happened happened. I don't really want them to change the story of Lost but Jacob has me questioning things now!

Definitely lots to think about this summer I think it will start with Jack etc flashing back to 2007 and get involved with whatever is going on with Jacob and his team and then the war is on!