Little time to curb global warming
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Well we certainly havent had this debate before, and let me guess how this one will turn out. There will be about half on each side of the argument, and its just going to go back and forth again and again and nothing is ever going to get resolved because both sides have their opinion on the matter and nothing is going to change their mind about it.
By all means continue...
By all means continue...
Lets see story one is from an associated press writer who cites expert scientists.
Story two on the other hand is coming from a right wing site with its own clear agenda.Don't mess with or regulate buisness.
I wonder who is the more trustworthy?:dunno::1orglaugh
Some more on this lol.Not only is global warming due to man's activities undeniable IMO but as the title of this thread says "we have little time left".While I know many think some scientists have been alarmist on this I think the exact opposite is really true.They have not really told the general public how bad the situation they see is.They do not want to cause panic and be labled alarmist any more than they already have /are.
Thats why on things like the big deficit and bail outs and all the other stuff which I used to think were big problems we would face in the future no longer concern me.We have no future,within 20 to 30 years tops climate change will certainly mean the end of the world(at least as we know it).I am not saying we will all be dead ,but I do think a large % of the world will be within that time frame.It's possible we may have some pockets of human survivors,then again it may also be true the planet will not support ****** life at all any longer as well.And I honestly don't think there is a damn thing that really can be done to avoid that outcome.Truth is going green, cutting back on the use of energy will mean poverty grows for those already impoverished as well as a decline for those in the wealthier developed nations like the US.And let me remind all of you ,all the while the population of the world and its energy demands grow tremendously.For that reason we are not going to be able to stop the climate change and it will just keep accelerating as it is now with continued growth in emmisions by all groups and countries.
So bottom line from me is of course global warming is happening as the science shows.And everybody should stop kidding themselves it isn't or that we can really do much about it also.I can actually see telling the enviormentalists forget it,but not because what they say is wrong but because were wasting our time in these lame ass(wind and solar nonsense) technologies that aren't going to stop or replace almost anything.No matter what we do we will still be burning all that Co2 producing stuff and altering the climate more and more rapidly.Just read what those scientists say in the 1st link,tipping points etc.They are saying exactly except for the part about there is little hope of averting it,what I am saying.
Don't worry about deficts etc,live it up while you are still able to.The end is almost certainly closer than you think.
Thats why on things like the big deficit and bail outs and all the other stuff which I used to think were big problems we would face in the future no longer concern me.We have no future,within 20 to 30 years tops climate change will certainly mean the end of the world(at least as we know it).I am not saying we will all be dead ,but I do think a large % of the world will be within that time frame.It's possible we may have some pockets of human survivors,then again it may also be true the planet will not support ****** life at all any longer as well.And I honestly don't think there is a damn thing that really can be done to avoid that outcome.Truth is going green, cutting back on the use of energy will mean poverty grows for those already impoverished as well as a decline for those in the wealthier developed nations like the US.And let me remind all of you ,all the while the population of the world and its energy demands grow tremendously.For that reason we are not going to be able to stop the climate change and it will just keep accelerating as it is now with continued growth in emmisions by all groups and countries.
So bottom line from me is of course global warming is happening as the science shows.And everybody should stop kidding themselves it isn't or that we can really do much about it also.I can actually see telling the enviormentalists forget it,but not because what they say is wrong but because were wasting our time in these lame ass(wind and solar nonsense) technologies that aren't going to stop or replace almost anything.No matter what we do we will still be burning all that Co2 producing stuff and altering the climate more and more rapidly.Just read what those scientists say in the 1st link,tipping points etc.They are saying exactly except for the part about there is little hope of averting it,what I am saying.
Don't worry about deficts etc,live it up while you are still able to.The end is almost certainly closer than you think.
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Yep ! It's religion alright
:tongue:Don't make me go and look for my Wikipedia "Interglacials" Link ! :nono:
I must ask why the far left leaning, heavy spending $$$ (about a day away from bankrupting this state) california state legislature, incessantly votes in more coal fired power plants instead of "clean nuclear power" Is it a kickback sorta thing or what ?
Coal is the absolute worst thing that we could derive energy from - would anybody like a report from Oakridge National Labs ?
ChefChiTown
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Any sort of Climate Change, or as some like to confuse it with, "Global Warming", takes thousands upon thousands upon thousands of years to occur. It's not as if it is mankind's fault, as shifting of the earth's crust and movement within the galaxy has a HUGE effect on the planet's temperature and weather conditions, which a lot of these environmentally charged scientists tend to, or choose to completely leave out of their research and opinions on the issue.
There is absolutely nothing that anybody can do to stop it from happening and, if mankind is contributing to the events, we are only a very, very, very small and insignificant part of the "problem".
:2 cents:
meesterperfect
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I believe Al Gore
Al Gore never steered me wrong.
Al Gore is Gold.
The truth is, I'm not sure.
One study says yes, one says no, then they both recieve more money to prove the other one wrong.
Al Gore never steered me wrong.
Al Gore is Gold.
The truth is, I'm not sure.
One study says yes, one says no, then they both recieve more money to prove the other one wrong.
It won't ever change
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Note that i agree totally with the rest of your post
You're kidding me?
Apparently you skipped the very early to very late '90s.
From help architecting the H. Bush tax increase, and then turning around and blasting W. for it (even after David Brinkley exposed that on national TV in a counter to Gore's '92 complaints about H.), to flat out lying about his own petroleum interests and total absence from actually "act locally, think globally" (even after his movie), there is a reason why most people in Tennessee laugh at him.
He's probably the biggest "I don't do anything I say ... ever" politician. I'm not even visiting his Internet quotes. I used to defend him on those, until I saw actual video clips of the quotes, and then I realized, "yeah, he is a total idiot."
In the late '80s, when he visited college campuses, they used to play a game ... "buzzword bingo." At least Obama is technology savvy, Al Gore just tries to be (and utterly fails at it).
You're kidding me, right?
Apparently you skipped the very early to very late '90s.
From help architecting the H. Bush tax increase, and then turning around and blasting W. for it (even after David Brinkley exposed that on national TV in a counter to Gore's '92 complaints about H.), to flat out lying about his own petroleum interests and total absence from actually "act locally, think globally" (even after his movie), there is a reason why most people in Tennessee laugh at him.
He's probably the biggest "I don't do anything I say ... ever" politician. I'm not even visiting his Internet quotes. I used to defend him on those, until I saw actual video clips of the quotes, and then I realized, "yeah, he is a total idiot."
In the late '80s, when he visited college campuses, they used to play a game ... "buzzword bingo." At least Obama is technology savvy, Al Gore just tries to be (and utterly fails at it).
Chef under normal enviormental conditions you are absolutely right ,the changes take thousands of years.There have been times like the comet or meteor or whatever it was hit the planet that caused the enviorment to alter and spell the demise of the dinosaurs that are an exception.But what has happened with mankinds emmisions of greenhouse gases is another not within normal occurences variable and has without doubt resulted in massive changes in the climate and warming(it's all in the 1st link in this thread).
This is what Will E posted from that link.
"Since Clinton's inauguration, summer Arctic sea ice has lost the equivalent of Alaska, California and Texas. The 10 hottest years on record have occurred since Clinton's second inauguration. Global warming is accelerating. Time is close to running out, and Obama knows it. "
None of that is over thousands of years.We go round and round on this.You and others here may not wish to believe it but the overwhelming consensus of science is clear.No posts about interglacials eras that as you even mentioned are over thousands of years have any relation to this rapid change.This has all happened in the last 100 years and most of it in the last 50.As it says above the 10 hottest years on record occured since 96.Thats rapid change and thats not the way nature works on its own.It happening and I gotta tell ya I'm damn glad I'm not a 20 something as at least I got most of a life span before it really gets bad which is eaxactly what that 1st post says is going to happen.And while I say we won't do anything to stop it make no misatke about it this is 90 something percent due to man and his burning of fossil fuels etc.And the scientists are clear on that as well.If somehow half the population of the world disapeared and the other half dedicated themselves to reducing emmisions there might be a chance of doing something before it really was too late(if it isn't already).
I keep saying though I can put up tons of credible(no political agendas) links that show how agreed the scientific community is on this issue,while I don't see those from the other side of the issue.And I reject this idea that scientists would lie about this to have careers in science or some other ludicrous things I have read here before like that from other posters.
what it all comes down to is. Nobody knows what is going to happen, and people keep talking about it. What is going on is. People over look the main picture. No matter what you say, the world can react and on its own. People only increase that possibility. It's already too late. We have got that far. Look at the world around you, and tell me things are not starting to act up. It would take a blind mind to read the brill atmosphere because people stick there nose where it doesn't belong, and there's not another way around it. You find the solution to clearing up the skies, and taking away all the pollution, Then talk like you know whats going on.
meesterperfect
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yes i was kidding about gore but not about the 2nd part of my post.
I am really not sure about global warming.
It definatley doesn't get as cold as it used to in the 70's and 80's, but is that a natural occurance or influenced by humans?
I sure the fuck don't know.
I am really not sure about global warming.
It definatley doesn't get as cold as it used to in the 70's and 80's, but is that a natural occurance or influenced by humans?
I sure the fuck don't know.
Search for the Green house effect, that's is the origin, but there are other stimulus ties that revolve around that. Human do take there toll on the earth and so does the earth it's self.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Perhaps I should've worded my statement(s) a little differently...
Yes, human beings are contributing to Climate Change and Global Warming, but not how it is being portrayed. The problem doesn't lie within our release of pollutants, chemicals and other products that have been deemed to be "harmful to the environment"; the problem lies with our body heat, which hardly any scientist addresses in their argument for Global Warming (which I will get to later).
Here is a table that shows the average temperature, by year, since 1880, which is when records of temperature began being recorded.
(scroll down a tiny, tiny bit)
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Since 1900, the average temperature has risen .82 Celsius.
I don't like using Wikipedia as a resource, but comparing it's recent data with...
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...shows that it has very similar information as far as the world's population is concerned.
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The estimated world population in 1900 was about 1,650,000,000
The estimated world population in 2005 was about 6,500,000,000
In a matter of those 105 years, the population has multiplied nearly 4 times over. That means that human beings are giving off 4 times the amount of body heat. I've been searching for a link that would provide everybody with a scientific fact as to the exact influence that body temperature has on the surrounding air temperature, but I can't find any.
The only thing I can say is this...
If you are standing in an empty room and you are the only one in it, the temperature won't be nearly as warm as it would be if there were 10 other people in that room with you. Why? Because our bodies emit a great deal of heat. And, to have added nearly 5 billion people to our earth within the past 105 years, has to have had an impact on the temperature.
My problem with the Global Warming issue is that it is mostly used as a scare tactic. Yes, there are scientists who support the theory of Global Warming, but there are just as many scientists who don't support the theory of Global Warming.
Another thing I don't like about it is the lack of depth in the research that is done. Most of the argument involved with Global Warming centers around pollution and cardon dioxide emissions. Most of the studies I've seen and/or read about have had one, closed-minded point of view...
Humans are polluting the earth. Humans are destroying the earth.
Scientists who claim this seem to be so sure that it's our pollution that is warming the earth, but they completely ignore simple facts like the body heat issue I addressed. Where are the studies on that? Also, where is the study on how on electric currents and radio waves effect the earth's temperature?
:dunno:
Seriously, think about it...we have more electricity being used than ever before, we have more electronic devices that use microwaves and radiowaves then ever before and we have more heat producing inventions then ever before (stoves, lamps, space heaters, toasters, radiators in our cars, etc). Yet...we're not researching their influence?
Why are most people so quick to ignore the obvious things that raise temperature, but are so quick to blame everything else?
Well as I said , beleive as you will Chef but you can't and won't find any scientist or links that think body heat from humans is even remotely part of this.Yes more people(population explosion) is big part of the problem but not because of there individual body heat,it is because of the energy consumption that means and the increased Co2 emmisions that means.And also there is no parity in the amount of scientitsts on the sides of the issue.OVERWHELMINGLY the scientific community is agreed.Even the people with vested interests like oil companies and there political representatives (the republicans mainly) who used to spend a lot of money and funded a lot of the so called other view that global warming is not true have given that up and now acknolwedge it.They have the scientific data confirming it, it is overwhelming.Do a google search and you will find a 100 to 1 ratio of links that support that.And its not about pollutants per se.Co2 is not even registered with the EPA as a pollutant as it is also a naturally occuring element in the enviorment.Actually air pollution is helping to keep temps from rising as high as they might have otherwise by reflecting some of the heat of the sun.Thats why the US govt has actually looked at a proposal people have called "smoke and mirrors" which would be giant mirrors and smoke in the atmosphere to deflect more sunlight and try to alleviate some of the warming.More whacky but with some grain of truth to them ideas on how to fix what looks to be unstoppable. As early as the late 1800s some scientists were theorizing on what the effects of the industrial revolution and the use of coal and oil which and the addition of vast amounts of Co2 to the atmosphere that they would add when burnt.As I have said go google this and you will find the scientific community is in overwhelming agreement that the warming is real,and thats it overwhlming cause is the amount of Co2 man has and continues too at an ever increasing rate introduced into the enviorment by burning fossil fuels like coal and oil products.
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I have heard of Ice Ages, Acid Rain, A growing hole in the ozone layer, global warming, Climate Change and now, an excess amount of carbon (Cº2) in our environment.
There's no business like show business.
BTW how much additional tax per diairy cow / per day will be charged to the farming community (and ultimately, you and I the consumer) for livestock methane gasses ? And how do we know that they're not just stuffing their own pockets ?
$5 per 1/2 gallon milk, here we come ! frauds !
There's no business like show business.
BTW how much additional tax per diairy cow / per day will be charged to the farming community (and ultimately, you and I the consumer) for livestock methane gasses ? And how do we know that they're not just stuffing their own pockets ?
$5 per 1/2 gallon milk, here we come ! frauds !
It's ZERO degrees outside right now. According to all the forecasts, I have a week of high temperatures around 10 degrees coming. Last winter- cold, snowy, icy, incredibly cold and windy. This winter started earlier, and has been even worse.
Somehow, this is tied to global warming. :dunno:
Right now, I'd *pay* for a little global warming. But the fact is, and it seems like the alarmist douchebags and the "there's nothing to worry about" assclowns, and all their scientists are just terrified of looking stupid by saying "we don't know".
And hey! Whaddya know- they don't.
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Somehow, this is tied to global warming. :dunno:
Right now, I'd *pay* for a little global warming. But the fact is, and it seems like the alarmist douchebags and the "there's nothing to worry about" assclowns, and all their scientists are just terrified of looking stupid by saying "we don't know".
And hey! Whaddya know- they don't.
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Science community is overwhelmingly agreed ,the only dogma and faith type beleive is on the other side of the issue.And theres not many of those types left except in a few obscure forums lol since the oil companies and the Newt Gingriches of the world even acknolwedge the truth.
What the heck Face it just makes us that more special ,last of the line maybe.
Edit: One cold snap is not an indicator of anything.I still say where are legitiamate links from scientists not with an agenda that counter the view on warming????????????????????????
Anything less is just "hot air".:tongue:
Since the oil companies stopped funding such things you can't even find many paid one's trying to deny it any longer.
What the heck Face it just makes us that more special ,last of the line maybe.
Edit: One cold snap is not an indicator of anything.I still say where are legitiamate links from scientists not with an agenda that counter the view on warming????????????????????????
Anything less is just "hot air".:tongue:
Since the oil companies stopped funding such things you can't even find many paid one's trying to deny it any longer.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Let's tweak that comment to be a little more accurate...
The number of scientists who are publicly addressing and making it their life work to fight Global Warming outnumber the scientists who publicly don't support the theory of Global Warming.
There's no money to be made from siding with the scientists who don't believe in Global Warming. This is a serious question and it's not to direct the conversation to another avenue, but...
Do you honestly think that money has nothing to do with this?
