assault weapons ban!!

alright i know that there are going to be some different opinions here but ive gotta tell mine.
This has got to be stopped once the government has taken away our *** rights they will be able to be one step closer to a total disarm. our right to own firearms is our right, not to be taken from us also to be able to form malitia sp? to protect ourselves from our own government. who is to say what is an assault weapon or not either just because my rifel has a ****** grip or can hold more than 10 rounds is stupid. also my carry guns hold more than 10 rounds, but am i going to go out and **** 15 people or 17 just because thats how many bullets i have? NO. I will be doing good to be able to hit with half of those I would just have a few more rounds to stop the threat and posibly save my own life or the life of another. On top of that my shotgun that i use for hunting has a ****** grip, because it fits me and how i shoot better. All guns can be sporting guns or all can be an assault weapon. 1 question to ask is have you ever heard of some thug shooting somone with a $2000.00 rifle. No most cant afford them for one thing another is that small pistols that only hold 6 or 7 round can be found everywhere for 40 to 100 dollars that is what **** people. Responsible people and our future WILL be PUNISHED if this goes through. So that being said what do you all think, and i will try and be calm on this disusion. I get a little worked up over **** like this though.
In 2004 the United States Congress rightly allowed the so-called "Assault Weapons Ban" to sunset after 10 years in law. It seems that the wisdom of the 2004 congress has been forgotten. On February 13, 2007, HR 1022 or the Assault Weapons Ban and *************** Protection Act of 2007 was introduced by Representative Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY). This bill (now in committee) proposes to permanently reinstate the 1994 ban and add even more draconian provisions; essentially banning all rifles not traditionally used for hunting or sport and high-capacity (or FULL capacity) magazines. Even more disturbing is the fact that, at his/her sole discretion, the United States Attorney General can determine the classification (therefore legality) of any firearm.
Following are some excerpts from HR1022 that we find particularly troubling:

SEC. 7. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR TRANSFER OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.
(a) Ban on Transfer of Semiautomatic Assault Weapon With Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device-
(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after subsection (y) the following:
(z) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer any assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.
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SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.
(a) In General- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended to read as follows:
(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following
(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:
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`(ii) AR-10;
`(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
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`(v) Calico Liberty;
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`(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
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`(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
`(xi) M1 Carbine;
`(xii) Saiga;
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`(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;
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`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a threaded barrel;
`(iii) a ****** grip;
`(iv) a forward grip; or
`(v) a barrel shroud.
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`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or *************** use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal *************** agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.
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SEC. 5. REPEAL OF CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.
Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `(3)' and all that follows through the 1st sentence and inserting the following:
`(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that--
`(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action;
`(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or
`(C) is an antique firearm.'.

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Not your post, but the subject gets me so annoyed that this keeps coming up. I think we'd all be a lot safer to lose self-serving politicians, ******** on TV and in movies and keep the guns.
 
Not your post, but the subject gets me so annoyed that this keeps coming up. I think we'd all be a lot safer to lose self-serving politicians, ******** on TV and in movies and keep the guns.

sorry that is has come up again, but i just received an email about it last night and it got me worked up. the last ban was for 10 years and it has just sunsetted which i am glad but this is talking about having it be permanent so it really got me thinking.
 
Not your post, but the subject gets me so annoyed that this keeps coming up. I think we'd all be a lot safer to lose self-serving politicians, ******** on TV and in movies and keep the guns.

now this i disagree with. why should we all suffer because some idiot cant fight and uses guns?
 
Sorry, I'm not sure I understand your point.

"I think we'd all be a lot safer to lose self-serving politicians, ******** on TV and in movies and keep the guns."

you said that it would be a lot safer to get rid of tv ******** and keep the real guns. that in itself is an apparition. if this was true, it world be unearthly. a supernatural occurence. but, my point was, i like watching violent movies. im a huge fan of horror and action movies. so are a lot of people. so, if you get rid of tv ********, there go some fun movies and tv shows. meanwhile, real guns are still in the hands of gangbangers pulling drive-bys. :2 cents:
 
I'm too tired, I don't think I was clear. I think in the hands of a killer, a *** is a dangerous weapon, but in the hands of "normal people", it isn't. Killers will **** despite weapons bans.

I think people are trained to believe these days that guns cause ********, I was really just criticizing that. glk35 pointed out this bill also wants the power to arbitrarily determine what is a good *** and what is a bad *** like the 1994 10 year ban, by calling it a sporting *** or not. Military rifles are sporting guns particularly for target shooters I believe.
 
Don't *** yourself. The Republican congress didn't let the last ban go because it was the right thing to do, it's because they were catering to the NRA. I'm not anti-***, but it's pretty obvious that's what it was about. And your point about people not using high end, expensive firearms to **** people isn't valid either. The Beltway Snipers used a Bushmaster, one of the weapons on that list, in their ******* spree.

That said, This does sound like a terribly over-reaching ban. To say that a weapon can be determined to be ******* because the attorney general feels like classifying it that way for whatever reason is complete bullshit. The law needs to be clearly defined so that government officials can't persecute, or single out people with their discressionary powers.
 
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High power guns are needed for hunting. Sometimes those deer just keep coming at you.
 
I think in the hands of a killer, a *** is a dangerous weapon, but in the hands of "normal people", it isn't. Killers will **** despite weapons bans.

I agree. And if some of the "normal people" in that mall in Salt Lake City the other week had had guns in their hands, they might have been able to stop that killer before he ****** five, or whatever that number was. The police simply can't protect everyone, everywhere, all the time.
 
I agree. And if some of the "normal people" in that mall in Salt Lake City the other week had had guns in their hands, they might have been able to stop that killer before he ****** five, or whatever that number was. The police simply can't protect everyone, everywhere, all the time.

what if those "normal people" cant shoot if their life depended on it? remember, people buy guns to look cool or act cool. some "normal people" dont have a clue how to use a ***. would you want those "normal people" carrying a ***? this is my dilemma. i respect the constitution, but there are millions that i wont even trust to flip my waffles, let alone shoot a ***.
 
what if those "normal people" cant shoot if their life depended on it? remember, people buy guns to look cool or act cool. some "normal people" dont have a clue how to use a ***. would you want those "normal people" carrying a ***? this is my dilemma. i respect the constitution, but there are millions that i wont even trust to flip my waffles, let alone shoot a ***.

Of course not. I was referring to people with CCWs. I thought that was obvious. But, as I didn't bring that part up, I can see why it wasn't.
 
The law needs to be clearly defined so that government officials can't persecute, or single out people with their discressionary powers.
The second amendment looks pretty clear to me....

So whence the need for "*** control" laws?

cheers,
 
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Semi-automatic weapons can be converted to automatic.
Feeds can be changed to take very large magazines.
All this law does is prevent law abiding citizens from doing such.
The people the law is trying to stop have no such interest in abiding by it.
 
all of these statments are of some truth and relavence, like the sniper thing yes true they did use a bushmaster BRAND ar-15 but what i was getting at on that point was MOST of the thugs. also sporting guns military weapons are widely used for target shooting, and yes there are several people i wouldnt trust to shoot or carry a weapon either but the fact of the matter is our right is in danger. and true that the people that want to have and use in a harmful manner are not going to be law abiding people. you all have made good points, I am really in fear for the future of our country. I want my *** to be able to enjoy the shooting sports the way that i have and be abel to still own his own collection probably mine some day.
 
why not? the post you made had no reference to CCWs. so why would it be obvious?

As I said in my statement that you quoted with this post didn't I?

The second amendment looks pretty clear to me....

So whence the need for "*** control" laws?

cheers,

I think you misunderstood my point, but I'm not sure, because I don't know that I understand yours completely. That particular part of what I was saying was about the law in general. The concept of "we will decide what is ******* when we see it" seems to be popping up more and more recently (and no, I don't have specific instances, I just know that I've been hearing it a lot on various topics) and that's a completely bullshit concept for legal matters.
 
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