What is Capitalism

[Luxman]

Zion, Illinois, 1915


Hundreds of millions of people have died from tobacco in the past century.
Billions of people have gotten sick from tobacco in the past century.
Trillions of dollars spent on healthcare for the people who got sick or died from tobacco in the past century.
Only the evil tobacco corporation shareholders and the "health" industry hospital and big pharma corporations have benefitted from tobacco.
They knew for over a century that tobacco causes cancer and many other illnesses.
They lied so that they could become richer peddling toxic addictive tobacco to everyone including ********.

 

[Luxman]

Steven Donziger: How Chevron Is Attacking Me For Revealing The Truth

 

[Luxman]

Bill Burr - Rant About A Trip To The Bank

 

[Luxman]

New Rule: The College Scam | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

 

[Luxman]

New Rule: Getting It in the Nuts | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

 

[Luxman]

Joe Lycett CHALLENGES Car Rental Company with WRECKED Car | Joe Lycett's Got Your Back

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

Capitalism isn't an ideology -- it's an operating system | Bhu Srinivasan

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0UB6g8Rsyw



https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=capitalism+isn't+an+ideolog y+ted

Watched video and totally agree with this - capitalism exists everywhere and is a tool used everywhere anytime any government or any group or individual does anything to expect some form of payment in return.

Governments are using the words capitalism and other catch phrases as their tools of propaganda just like others fear mongering words like terrorism/gangs/communism/conservatives/liberals/Democrats/Republicans/etc. - to scare people into doing something.

Anyways, my point is that because it's a tool like the video says, we can find examples of capitalism everywhere - like we find cell phones everywhere.

So no point fighting or arguing about if capitalism is good or bad or evil or necessary - it's a tool that help do something, don't **** the tool, **** the wielder of the tool.

 

[D-rock]

So no point fighting or arguing about if capitalism is good or bad or evil or necessary - it's a tool that help do something, don't **** the tool, **** the wielder of the tool.

Saying capitalism is just a tools is slightly better than saying something like biological and chemical weapons are just a tool and are only evil in so much as the people that utilize them. Sure, on a super technical level that might be correct, but when human nature kicks in and the ends of something tend to almost always lead to only one place eventually it makes you wonder just how neutral that "tool" is.

Capitalism doesn't exploit people. People exploit people...WITH CAPITALISM. It sure seems like there are a ton of leaders, the rich, and the elite that exploit everybody else. It makes you wonder doesn't it? Where are all those supposed ethical wielders of this tool? When examples of those are so vanishingly small how legitimate is the tool they wield?

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

Saying capitalism is just a tools is slightly better than saying something like biological and chemical weapons are just a tool and are only evil in so much as the people that utilize them. Sure, on a super technical level that might be correct, but when human nature kicks in and the ends of something tend to almost always lead to only one place eventually it makes you wonder just how neutral that "tool" is.

Capitalism doesn't exploit people. People exploit people...WITH CAPITALISM. It sure seems like there are a ton of leaders, the rich, and the elite that exploit everybody else. It makes you wonder doesn't it? Where are all those supposed ethical wielders of this tool? When examples of those are so vanishingly small how legitimate is the tool they wield?

Naw, can't agree with what you say about blaming capitalism for anything, that would be like telling MADD to only lobby against ******* more than against the ***** driver. Or picking a side, Russia and communism or America and capitalism - all propaganda to influence you to support their hidden agendas.

People exploit people...WITH ANYTHING. It makes you wonder doesn't it? It sure seems like there are a ton of people whether leaders or bums or police or criminals or just plain any sort of person exploiting everybody else.

Examples of ethical uses of the tool described as capitalism would be your parents working to feed their ***** or even you working now to feed yourself and your ****** - I'm sure you wouldn't be working for free if you were starving would you?

 

[gmase]

Naw, can't agree with what you say about blaming capitalism for anything, that would be like telling MADD to only lobby against ******* more than against the ***** driver. Or picking a side, Russia and communism or America and capitalism - all propaganda to influence you to support their hidden agendas.

People exploit people...WITH ANYTHING. It makes you wonder doesn't it? It sure seems like there are a ton of people whether leaders or bums or police or criminals or just plain any sort of person exploiting everybody else.

What you disagreeing with?

D-rock said "People exploit people with Capitalism." You said "People exploit people with Anything". Capitalism is a subset of Anything, so it is essentially the same with Anything being more expansive.

Examples of ethical uses of the tool described as capitalism would be your parents working to feed their ***** or even you working now to feed yourself and your ****** - I'm sure you wouldn't be working for free if you were starving would you?

Please explain.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

What you disagreeing with?

D-rock said "People exploit people with Capitalism." You said "People exploit people with Anything". Capitalism is a subset of Anything, so it is essentially the same with Anything being more expansive.


Please explain.

Well, I'm disagreeing with his anger towards capitalism, like the video states - it would be like being mad at cell phones, which are inanimate objects.

I agree capitalism is a subset of anything, I wrote that to show him that people exploit others whether capitalism exist or not - so the problem is the individual, not the tool.

My point about capitalism feeding ******** in america is that people in america work and earn money, in a capitalist model money earned by individuals can be spent however they want - feeding their families for example.

In a socialist/communist model, a larger portion of whatever you earn from your efforts spent working is not allowed to be spent on whatever you want, the state decided that for you - they claim it is for the greater good like feeding all families etc, but whether or actually happens or not is another discussion.

Another example is most families operate a socialist/communist model, parents and sometimes ******** will pool resources together, parents have shared back accounts etc and manage their expenses and investment as one unit - I think this works well for families that care enough for each other.

But in large countries it can't be expected for everyone to care enough for each other as families do - it's hard enough for families members to care enough for each other nevermind strangers. This is why capitalism works better for large groups of strangers like country states.

So, because I assume d-rock grew up in america, I assume his parents benefited from capitalism and therefore he also benefited from them feeding him - his parents choosing to spend their money feeding him is an example of the ethical uses of capitalism, they could have chosen to let him starve.

 

[Luxman]

Capitalism is the best economic system earthlings have invented, but it is still very flawed.
Only with government regulations can the flaws of capitalism be reduced.
Most Americans benefit from capitalism, but millions of Americans are also victims of corrupt capitalism.
The point of this thread is to show the good side, but mainly the pitfalls of capitalism.

 

[D-rock]

I could point out that while capitalism would be said to have good factors, under it's most common interpretation of what it is there is something better than it for pretty much any positive aspect it does have. It's one good thing it did one time have, encouraging competition in business, has been reduced to the race to the bottom to see who can cut corners the best and still get away with it and not who can make the best product. It's one redeeming quality quit functioning a long time ago when modern corporations became a thing. As soon as individual profit could be made without individual responsibility it was downhill from there. It allowed a system where people could willingly play along with it to gain from others misery or for others because they have no real choice anymore. (For one example among many I feel bad when I go buy clothes that I know are probably made by impoverished people treated like dirt and exploited, but I also have no other choice as I don't have a ton of money and don't like being naked. I'm ****** by the system to be a part of it, but at least I can see it for what it is.) We are still rolling down. It was maybe a good concept in a pre-industrial agrarian culture where you had to make your stuff better than the guy down the road to sell your product. It's a more scary thing when when corporations are nation wide if not world wide and can often wield more power than that of some smaller nations entire governments. For too many instances it's just the roundabout modern day version of slavery. It's just done remotely so people don't have to feel bad about it anymore as it's not directly seen.

It's also why 30 or 40 countries around the world that most people think of as being socialistic democracies, like all of Western Europe and Scandinavia kick our asses in pretty much any meaningful metric outside of the number of bombs we can drop on people, and it's not like they don't have freedom in those places. While some technical aspects of capitalism exist in those places, that's just playing with semantics as most people don't think of them that way outside of a higher education politica science class. I wonder how many places in the world with the US economic system aren't crappy places to live. I can't think of any. Seriously, how many other places in the world that shave the US's economic philosophy are decent places to live?

At best capitalism is something potentially very dangerous and needs to be heavily regulated like it's that. Letting rich people and businesses regulate themselves is beyond foolish, and one way or another that's always what ends up happening with the US being the prime example. We are exhibit A of the true logical conclusion it will probably always end at. Either they don't have laws restricting them or they eventually buy the people to make the laws that suit them through extremely disproportional representation of their interest. In my entire life's observation of what the "market" actually does is that it makes a a few people rich and the expense of everybody else, and despite what many people might want to believe the overriding factor one way or another of what made the lucky few the rich ones was luck. It's all it does. It not some magical system that instills fairness or really fixes anything else. Too many people treat it like a religion in that they think it can do those things.

I also hear so many times that capitalism is the overriding factor that has brought so many people out of poverty since it's modern inception. Personally I disagree as I see the industrial revolution and scientific revolutions that came about as the real reason irrespective of economic systems. The US even more so in that regard as one has to add in that it was the only major power that wasn't destroyed after the world blew itself up, twice. On top of that it had the advantage of having two large oceans isolating it from every other major player for a long time. The US is only where it's at because it's still running off the fumes from those advantages. The tank is quickly emptying out through.

Let's for the sake of argument say hypothetically that it really was the factor that raised the modern world where it was and lifted so many people out of poverty. Well, I mean what did it have to compete against when it first came about? There were still monarchies when the US system was in it's *******. That stuff wasn't that long ago. We went from that to the modern day pretty fast. If I was a fan of capitalism I don't know if I would want to hang my hat on that. It would make a good slogan for it though, "Capitalism, hey at least it isn't as bad as Renaissance and Enlightenment era feudal serfdom and mercantilism". Hell, even it's advantages over that are blunted when one takes into account that those things didn't hasten the destruction of our planet for human habitation like capitalism has. There's a reason every other Western Industrialized nation or any sane country has moved away from it.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

Capitalism is the best economic system earthlings have invented, but it is still very flawed.
Only with government regulations can the flaws of capitalism be reduced.
Most Americans benefit from capitalism, but millions of Americans are also victims of corrupt capitalism.
The point of this thread is to show the good side, but mainly the pitfalls of capitalism.

Totally agree that there are many pitfalls as well as benefits to capitalism - but what you said that only by regulating capitalism can it's flaws be reduced, I gotta disagree there.

We should consider that too much regulation increases it's flaws, and that less regulations help it thrive.

Consider that capitalism exists and thrives without any regulations already throughout history - ever since cavemen traded for profit or refused to work for free, well that is capitalism.

Consider why all sorts of crimes and blackmarkets thrive causing some to risk their own lives against the might of worldwide governments - the answer is simple and that is because unregulated markets are so profitable it's worth the risk.

Consider why governments all over the world have reversed their holier than thou propaganda against all sorts of prohibitions such as ******* ******** weed etc - because they want in on the same **** dealing profits that they so recently jailed others over.

Capitalism is simply human nature, not wanting to work without profiting is natural, being ****** to work for less than what you want to be paid is slavery - Jefferson once said taxing the personal industry of a human was akin to enslaving him, took this quote from thread in SBR.

Consider why the **** companies of the world are amongst the most profitable worldwide, including **** companies that sell *******(****** stores) tobacco weed oxycodone fentanyl morphine Xanax etc - would people **** others over coffee beans which have caffeine and is addictive? No, because coffee is not heavily regulated like ******* is which makes ******* rarer and therefore more expensive.

Speaking of coffee, why are coffee stores and candy stores filled with addictive sugars so profitable? Because the markets not heavily regulated.

Why do casinos make so much money? Why does porn make so much money? Because all not heavily regulated, and even if governments when back to the failed prohibitions of their pasts - governments know they'd only be returning to losing wars they'll never win while losing tax revenue too.

Anyways, my post getting too long, so I'll end by saying the enlightened socialist Western European countries mentioned above that have awesome social services have all deregulated all the money money making black markets they can without being politically incorrect so they can use those revenues to give everyone free services - whores ******** weed ***** etc all legal for personal use.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

I could point out that while capitalism would be said to have good factors, under it's most common interpretation of what it is there is something better than it for pretty much any positive aspect it does have. It's one good thing it did one time have, encouraging competition in business, has been reduced to the race to the bottom to see who can cut corners the best and still get away with it and not who can make the best product. It's one redeeming quality quit functioning a long time ago when modern corporations became a thing. As soon as individual profit could be made without individual responsibility it was downhill from there. It allowed a system where people could willingly play along with it to gain from others misery or for others because they have no real choice anymore. (For one example among many I feel bad when I go buy clothes that I know are probably made by impoverished people treated like dirt and exploited, but I also have no other choice as I don't have a ton of money and don't like being naked. I'm ****** by the system to be a part of it, but at least I can see it for what it is.) We are still rolling down. It was maybe a good concept in a pre-industrial agrarian culture where you had to make your stuff better than the guy down the road to sell your product. It's a more scary thing when when corporations are nation wide if not world wide and can often wield more power than that of some smaller nations entire governments. For too many instances it's just the roundabout modern day version of slavery. It's just done remotely so people don't have to feel bad about it anymore as it's not directly seen.

It's also why 30 or 40 countries around the world that most people think of as being socialistic democracies, like all of Western Europe and Scandinavia kick our asses in pretty much any meaningful metric outside of the number of bombs we can drop on people, and it's not like they don't have freedom in those places. While some technical aspects of capitalism exist in those places, that's just playing with semantics as most people don't think of them that way outside of a higher education politica science class. I wonder how many places in the world with the US economic system aren't crappy places to live. I can't think of any. Seriously, how many other places in the world that shave the US's economic philosophy are decent places to live?

At best capitalism is something potentially very dangerous and needs to be heavily regulated like it's that. Letting rich people and businesses regulate themselves is beyond foolish, and one way or another that's always what ends up happening with the US being the prime example. We are exhibit A of the true logical conclusion it will probably always end at. Either they don't have laws restricting them or they eventually buy the people to make the laws that suit them through extremely disproportional representation of their interest. In my entire life's observation of what the "market" actually does is that it makes a a few people rich and the expense of everybody else, and despite what many people might want to believe the overriding factor one way or another of what made the lucky few the rich ones was luck. It's all it does. It not some magical system that instills fairness or really fixes anything else. Too many people treat it like a religion in that they think it can do those things.

I also hear so many times that capitalism is the overriding factor that has brought so many people out of poverty since it's modern inception. Personally I disagree as I see the industrial revolution and scientific revolutions that came about as the real reason irrespective of economic systems. The US even more so in that regard as one has to add in that it was the only major power that wasn't destroyed after the world blew itself up, twice. On top of that it had the advantage of having two large oceans isolating it from every other major player for a long time. The US is only where it's at because it's still running off the fumes from those advantages. The tank is quickly emptying out through.

Let's for the sake of argument say hypothetically that it really was the factor that raised the modern world where it was and lifted so many people out of poverty. Well, I mean what did it have to compete against when it first came about? There were still monarchies when the US system was in it's *******. That stuff wasn't that long ago. We went from that to the modern day pretty fast. If I was a fan of capitalism I don't know if I would want to hang my hat on that. It would make a good slogan for it though, "Capitalism, hey at least it isn't as bad as Renaissance and Enlightenment era feudal serfdom and mercantilism". Hell, even it's advantages over that are blunted when one takes into account that those things didn't hasten the destruction of our planet for human habitation like capitalism has. There's a reason every other Western Industrialized nation or any sane country has moved away from it.

The last part you days about capitalism isn't as bad as the m middle ages - capitalism thrived in those times too, but unlike now the propaganda value of blaming capitalism for everything by pitting capitalism against things like morality and communism etc hadn't been discovered yet.

 

[Luxman]

Anyways, my post getting too long, so I'll end by saying the enlightened socialist Western European countries mentioned above that have awesome social services have all deregulated all the money money making black markets they can without being politically incorrect so they can use those revenues to give everyone free services - whores ******** weed ***** etc all legal for personal use.

They didn't deregulate whores ******** weed ***** etc, they decriminalized them for personal use, it's still ******* to traffic them.
In America regulations and unions ended ***** labor and sweatshops in the early 20th century.
There are countless thousands of sites around America where corporations dumped toxic chemicals before the government made it *******.
Lots of corporations still try to dump their waste, but much less than before.
The only way capitalism benefits most citizens is for it to be regulated just enough to significantly diminish corruption.
Without regulations corporations naturally become corrupt, it's human nature.
Corporate crimes should be heavily fined, at least 10% of shareholders personal assets, that will greatly reduce corruption.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

They didn't deregulate whores ******** weed ***** etc, they decriminalized them for personal use, it's still ******* to traffic them.
In America regulations and unions ended ***** labor and sweatshops in the early 20th century.
There are countless thousands of sites around America where corporations dumped toxic chemicals before the government made it *******.
Lots of corporations still try to dump their waste, but much less than before.
The only way capitalism benefits most citizens is for it to be regulated just enough to significantly diminish corruption.
Without regulations corporations naturally become corrupt, it's human nature.
Corporate crimes should be heavily fined, at least 10% of shareholders personal assets, that will greatly reduce corruption.

About the decriminalization you mentioned, that is a from of deregulation - it used to be ******* then they changed the laws of regulations to make it decriminalized, so we taking about practically the same thing.

About it still being ******* to traffic *****, don't you think it's silly to allow people to use something but make them buy from black markets? What is called trafficking is just a scary word weaponized by governments for use in their propaganda to convince others to be happy about taxes ****** in the war on *****. Trafficking is just business, just like you already mentioned above that tobacco ******* oxycodone etc all **** but **** companies still traffic it.

Think about why more and more people don't smoke anymore, it isn't for lack of pushing it people by the tobacco companies by advertising and selling it on every street corner - it's education that makes people choose the right thing, not rules or laws.

The simple fact that nowhere in the world has crime been successfully eliminated proves that regulations don't work, even in the most regulated areas know to man(jails) rules and regulations don't work - and that's considering all of their citizens(prisoners) have no rights/freedoms, is that what countries should aspire to be?

I think the issue in your original post and video that the speaker trying to get across is that capitalism should not be confused with morality or ideologies or values or standards or political agendas or anything that accuses it of being good or evil etc - it's a tool like a cell phone or computer, you either use it or not, regulating it makes it less useful. Just like jailbreaking phones to access all the things that were blocked makes it more useful.

If you want to stop corruption then stop corruption, there are already laws and regulations to do that, but confusing the simple natural human nature to want to profit makes no sense.

What Eisenhower says about 90% taxes will just make corporations take their businesses to better environments like Hong Kong and China and Taiwan - america isn't a jail where corporations can't leave, whereas China is closer to a jail where corporations and people can't leave, China could ***** 90% tax on their own citizens but foreign investors would leave for sure.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

Power is always corrupt, always, the main difference between different governments/corporations is the level of corruption.
Nearly all corruption is caused by greed.

Examples of unregulated capitalism:

The ******** Edge (2018)

Dirty Money (201

Saving Capitalism (2017)

The China Hustle (2017)

You mention that power is always corrupt, have you considered that in every country it is the government that is most powerful and is it the government controlling all the regulation and therefore it is the government that is responsible for all the corruption?

Also in your videos all those frauds occurred with regulations already in place, even in the China hustle, fraud is already ******* - what else can be done? More regulations will create even more loopholes, it's an endless cycle of people finding loopholes then more regulations are created then more loopholes are found etc - creating regulations is not free, have you considered that? By endlessly creating regulations you waste endless taxes paying government to create and enforce and prosecute, that costs alot of money as can be verified by government spending reports - and that's just what the governments reports, imagine what they don't report. Government is nothing more than the biggest corporation in each country.

Lastly, those videos are not examples of unregulated capitalism, unregulated capitalism is the black market.

 

[Luxman]

If you want to stop corruption then stop corruption, there are already laws and regulations to do that, but confusing the simple natural human nature to want to profit makes no sense.

How would you stop corruption?

 

[gmase]

How would you stop corruption?

The same way he would change *************** - stop doing it. If you don’t look for corruption, then you won’t find any. Simple. Problem solved.