Would It Be A Good Idea To Start A Church?

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

I don't know what I'm talking about for starters, OK? Fantasy, hypothetical stuffs...

If you started a Church and were able to recruit what would be a private investigative unit and legal department...

Much of the beginnings of your ministry would be based upon defending innocent children making citizen arrests of pedophiles. Have the investigative and legal departments thoroughly vet the targets and build a case before arresting them to reduce the possibilities of being sued. Make a public show of the arrests filming them to gain more attention to your ministry. Hopefully this is where your membership will bloom from as you peel away from their congregation and make them yours.

I haven't figured out Chapter 2 yet but reaping justice for kids while exposing true evil may be a good start. Not sure how I feel about God or the Bible yet.

Sure be nice if these pesky Statute of Limitations go away.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

They seem to make money, and are tax exempt.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

They seem to make money, and are tax exempt.

I was thinking it might be better to avoid the peer pressure of a collection basket being passed around and allow people to donate in their own way. If the Church was effective in actually protecting children while exposing true evil you could get some pretty big checks written. I think honesty and transparency would be crucial in areas of donated money. Do right what the Catholic Church did wrong. The secrecy will eventually devour you once they have been made public. Respect your flock and tell them the truth.

I could be wrong, of course.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

Starting a church is always a good idea, as stated above they are tax exempt.

But from what you describing in the original post, it sounds more like a non for profit organization that helps victims of the other churches, rather than a church since church is religious organization.

With not for profit organizations they are tax exempt as well, and can do all the things you describe such as provide assistance and support for children and also provide legal advice and legal services - promoting awareness of the issues described above can also be accomplished, and as for making citizens arrests the not for profit could file private prosecutions against pedophiles if the district attorneys reduce to.

Myself, I rather see a church of porn started where the spiritual/religious beliefs associated with sex and pornographic are promoted - Taoist, Tantric, Mystic, Satanic, Wicca, Vedic, Druidic, etc.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I believe churches, receive government subsidies too. It's not all from donations.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Starting a church is always a good idea, as stated above they are tax exempt.

But from what you describing in the original post, it sounds more like a non for profit organization that helps victims of the other churches, rather than a church since church is religious organization.

The most important thing would be to maintain your integrity in front of your people. It would be better to be true to your beliefs operating inside of a tent than whore yourself out for a fancy building with stained glass and gold. Be tight on Administrative Costs as that seems where many charities have their problems with corruption.

Again, this is just fantasy. My background is as a Catholic School boy who felt betrayed by the Church and feel there is need for a true house of worship. A real Reverend who treats his congregation with respect and honesty like adults should always be a good thing. His words will more likely be seen as Gospel.

Not in this to make money. Just enough to keep our head above water.
The mission is to... Help people. Inform people. Protect people. Save people.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

We have Fantasy Football. Let's play some Fantasy Ministry now. Throw some shit against the wall and let's see what happens. None of us have been ordained formally so we're all amateurs.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

The most important thing would be to maintain your integrity in front of your people. It would be better to be true to your beliefs operating inside of a tent than whore yourself out for a fancy building with stained glass and gold. Be tight on Administrative Costs as that seems where many charities have their problems with corruption.

Again, this is just fantasy. My background is as a Catholic School boy who felt betrayed by the Church and feel there is need for a true house of worship. A real Reverend who treats his congregation with respect and honesty like adults should always be a good thing. His words will more likely be seen as Gospel.

Not in this to make money. Just enough to keep our head above water.
The mission is to... Help people. Inform people. Protect people. Save people.

Ok, to solve administration costs just have all volunteers, that keeps it all grass roots - no paying out salaries etc.

There are countless Christian denominations already so a new Christian Church whose beliefs you described above is totally feasible - getting the dogma sorted out will be the main thing to nail down, because people will want to be told/encouraged in regard to believe in.

Or just a general house of worship and spirituality where all beliefs are promoted will qualify too.

 

[tvstrip]

http://www.ourladyofperpetualexemption.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Perpetual_Exemption

John Oliver showed how easy and potentially lucrative it is to start one.
Take a read & see why he stopped this "experiment", it's actually hilarious.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Ok, to solve administration costs just have all volunteers, that keeps it all grass roots - no paying out salaries etc.

There are countless Christian denominations already so a new Christian Church whose beliefs you described above is totally feasible - getting the dogma sorted out will be the main thing to nail down, because people will want to be told/encouraged in regard to believe in.

Or just a general house of worship and spirituality where all beliefs are promoted will qualify too.

Yeah. Would it be worth it to invest in certain things like lawyers and investigators though? I want to cover any place I feel vulnerable. I've never been willing to make a citizen's arrest because I always worried about liability. A good enough lawsuit could flatten what we would try to build. Would it be OK to show the congregation what I pay my staff and also explain why we pay them? Honesty and transparency can go a long way to make people understand. I'd be making a lotta powerful enemies that society sees have good reputations. You gotta practically criminally disembowel them and hold up their entrails high enough for all to see.

Much of the mission would be around the arrest and prosecution of pedophiles that are not presently being prosecuted by the system. Protecting children and women should always be number one. Nothing else matters if you fail there. No one is entitled to rape a child(or anyone else) and would never find peace or sanctuary if they got on our radar.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

http://www.ourladyofperpetualexemption.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Perpetual_Exemption

John Oliver showed how easy and potentially lucrative it is to start one.
Take a read & see why he stopped this "experiment", it's actually hilarious.

That's hilarious and totally true, but hey freedom of religion is a constitutional right.

I think this also shows that there no point of having an income tax system since it will never be perfected to close all loopholes - better to stick to point of sale taxes.

I like other official religions such as the Jedi religion and other fun ones.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

http://www.ourladyofperpetualexemption.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Perpetual_Exemption

John Oliver showed how easy and potentially lucrative it is to start one.
Take a read & see why he stopped this "experiment", it's actually hilarious.

That's hilarious and totally true, but hey freedom of religion is a constitutional right.

I think this also shows that there no point of having an income tax system since it will never be perfected to close all loopholes - better to stick to point of sale taxes.

I like other official religions such as the Jedi religion and other fun ones

Yeah. Would it be worth it to invest in certain things like lawyers and investigators though? I want to cover any place I feel vulnerable. I've never been willing to make a citizen's arrest because I always worried about liability. A good enough lawsuit could flatten what we would try to build. Would it be OK to show the congregation what I pay my staff and also explain why we pay them? Honesty and transparency can go a long way to make people understand. I'd be making a lotta powerful enemies that society sees have good reputations. You gotta practically criminally disembowel them and hold up their entrails high enough for all to see.

Much of the mission would be around the arrest and prosecution of pedophiles that are not presently being prosecuted by the system. Protecting children and women should always be number one. Nothing else matters if you fail there. No one is entitled to rape a child(or anyone else) and would never find peace or sanctuary if they got on our radar.

It's always better to have expert professionals setting up legal entities, and also not just any professionals - you really have to figure out which of them are honest and trustworthy, because lots of professionals are not.

If you can find professionals that are willing to donate their time of fees to your church, that's even better, but most of them will want to get paid instead.

Especially for filling private prosecutions better have a lawyer do it, no point in messing thing up just to lose face in court.

Private prosecutions are not citizens arrests, I meant earlier that it would be better to file private prosecutions instead of doing citizens arrests - a citizen arrest is just detaining someone on behalf of the police usually while the crime is taking place, like when shoplifters are told to wait while police said.

Private prosecutions are filled similar to the fillings for public prosecutions, except that instead of the state attorneys doing the filings, it's a regular citizen. The next step after its filled is same as public prosecutions, it has to be approved by a judge who just rubber stamps it, the when the accused it arrested and processed through the court system - the state attorney takes hold of the case and either turns out into a regular public prosecution, or stops the prosecution by staying/withdrawing the charges(dropping the case).

Having transparency, as you stated above, is always good and you can disclose the day to day financial operations of your church however way you want - yearly financial statement is most common, but you can do them monthly or even daily of you want, post them on internet or mail them out it all up to you.

The donations you collect can go towards paying for lawyers to do the private investigations and prosecutions, and also towards paying for counselors/psychologist/etc and also office space or buying property to build your church on etc.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

It's always better to have expert professionals setting up legal entities, and also not just any professionals - you really have to figure out which of them are honest and trustworthy, because lots of professionals are not.

If you can find professionals that are willing to donate their time of fees to your church, that's even better, but most of them will want to get paid instead.

Especially for filling private prosecutions better have a lawyer do it, no point in messing thing up just to lose face in court.

Private prosecutions are not citizens arrests, I meant earlier that it would be better to file private prosecutions instead of doing citizens arrests - a citizen arrest is just detaining someone on behalf of the police usually while the crime is taking place, like when shoplifters are told to wait while police said.

Private prosecutions are filled similar to the fillings for public prosecutions, except that instead of the state attorneys doing the filings, it's a regular citizen. The next step after its filled is same as public prosecutions, it has to be approved by a judge who just rubber stamps it, the when the accused it arrested and processed through the court system - the state attorney takes hold of the case and either turns out into a regular public prosecution, or stops the prosecution by staying/withdrawing the charges(dropping the case).

Having transparency, as you stated above, is always good and you can disclose the day to day financial operations of your church however way you want - yearly financial statement is most common, but you can do them monthly or even daily of you want, post them on internet or mail them out it all up to you.

The donations you collect can go towards paying for lawyers to do the private investigations and prosecutions, and also towards paying for counselors/psychologist/etc and also office space or buying property to build your church on etc.

Excellent. Wanna be a partner? Good stuff. Food for thought too.

Deep down I wish the Catholic Church would fix itself but I don't think they have found their rock bottom yet. I was so angry when I felt that place was taken away from me. I learned the House of God I had imagined never existed. There has to be something better and true.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

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[djbeef]

Excellent. Wanna be a partner? Good stuff. Food for thought too.

Deep down I wish the Catholic Church would fix itself but I don't think they have found their rock bottom yet. I was so angry when I felt that place was taken away from me. I learned the House of God I had imagined never existed. There has to be something better and true.

I like to think that maybe a protomyth was plopped here as the Dune universe Bene Gesserit did to worlds, and it's all busted up now, but not without merit. So perhaps there's a greater truth, but it's purposely shrouded with savior and doom myths.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

Excellent. Wanna be a partner? Good stuff. Food for thought too.

Deep down I wish the Catholic Church would fix itself but I don't think they have found their rock bottom yet. I was so angry when I felt that place was taken away from me. I learned the House of God I had imagined never existed. There has to be something better and true.

Haha, it definitely not work than I can handle at that moment.

Yeah the Catholic Church should fix itself, but when they already the richest organisation in the world and with no transparency, there nothing to motivate them to change when by not charging they don't risk disputing their profits(donations).

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Haha, it definitely not work than I can handle at that moment.

Yeah the Catholic Church should fix itself, but when they already the richest organisation in the world and with no transparency, there nothing to motivate them to change when by not charging they don't risk disputing their profits(donations).

What you mentioned is a big part of the problem. Power without transparency. You cannot keep people down forever though. The 2 nuns who ran my Elementary School in Beverly Hills were fired when the lawyers started calling. Parents allowed them to beat their children for years until someone stopped allowing it.

Churches are becoming more empty. It is not because people gave up on God. They walked out of a building but still want to find the true path.

 

[gmase]

A good idea? Have you read any biographies of people who started new religions? Jesus and Joseph Smith did not fare well.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

A good idea? Have you read any biographies of people who started new religions? Jesus and Joseph Smith did not fare well.

Didn't Jim Jones start out as a good guy?

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

I remember this one place I worked at. This gal was a regular. I could tell she was damaged and heard a rumor(from an untrustworthy source) that she used to be a prostitute. One day she comes up to me and hands me this book with both of her hands. It was a book on cults. She was looking for a pimp but I had no interest in being her master. To this day I still have the book but haven't opened it. She knew I was highly protective of women and dragged guys out back into the dark who hurt them.