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Workers say Obama treated autos worse than Wall St

Yahoo Article

DETROIT (AP) -- Many assembly line autoworkers reacted with skepticism and anger Monday to the Obama administration's tough tactics, which stoked long-simmering feelings that the people who put the country on wheels get treated differently than the wizards of Wall Street.

"It's the age-old Wall Street vs. Main Street smackdown again," said Brian Fredline, president of UAW Local 602 at a plant near Lansing. "You have all kinds of funding available to banks that are apparently too big to fail, but they're also too big to be responsible."

"But when it comes to auto manufacturing and middle-class jobs and people that don't matter on Wall Street, there are certainly different standards that we have to meet -- higher standards -- than the financials. That is a double standard that exists and it's unfair," Fredline said.

Many workers -- not generally known for their affection toward executives -- even sympathized with Rick Wagoner, who was forced to step down as chief executive of General Motors Corp. He was by turns called a "sacrificial lamb," "scapegoat" and "fall guy."

"We knew someone was going to have to take the proverbial `bullet,' and it would have made it a lot easier to accept that had the CEOs of the banks also been required to give up their jobs," said Jim Graham, president of a union local in Lordstown, Ohio, where GM produces the Cobalt and Pontiac G5 fuel-efficient cars.

While CEO oustings haven't been widespread among the banking industry, the government did in September reserve the right to remove senior management at American International Group Inc. as part of its agreement to give the insurer $85 billion in emergency aid. AIG Chief Executive Robert Willumstad stepped down as part of that company's bailout package, and the government hand-picked his successor.

Also, banks don't have the union and legacy costs that the automakers do, which make their products more costly versus foreign rivals.

President Barack Obama said he was "absolutely committed" to the survival of a domestic auto industry that can compete internationally. He raised the possibility of controlled bankruptcy for one or both of the troubled automakers.

Obama said the administration will offer GM "adequate working capital" during the next 60 days to produce an acceptable reorganization plan. The government gave Chrysler LLC 30 days to overcome hurdles to a merger with Fiat SpA, the Italian automaker.

Many workers say the government hasn't dictated such terms to insurance giant AIG or the banks in which it's taken an ownership stake. Obama's actions come amid public outrage over bonuses paid to business leaders and AIG executives.

"To see the very people that drove this economy into the ground be rewarded through bonuses while receiving tax dollars is just galling," said Dan Maloney, a machine repairman at auto supplier Delphi Corp.'s plant in Rochester, N.Y., and a union local president. "In light of that, the administration is taking it out, I believe, on the automotive sector."

Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm called Obama's moves "a bit of tough love," yet recognized a disconnect between the financial and auto industries.

"Yes, I do think that there has been a different look at those who manufacture than those who make money by flipping paper and I'm hopeful that the financial industry gets as tough a scrutiny as the auto industry has," she told reporters after an event Monday in Macomb Township, about 20 miles northeast of Detroit.

Despite Granholm's criticism and what many workers saw as the president's unduly harsh treatment, Obama's actions might not have a lasting effect on voters.

"It will be accepted, grudgingly perhaps, but accepted by anybody and everybody with a brain in their heads," said Bill Ballenger, editor of a Michigan political newsletter and a former Republican state lawmaker.

Still, Bill Rustem of Public Sector Consultants, a Lansing-based nonpartisan think tank, said Obama's actions carry some risk.

"I think this could have some impact four years from now if the state's economy doesn't begin to turn around," he said. Michigan's unemployment rate rose to 12 percent in February, marking the eighth straight monthly increase.

Workers watched Obama on large-screen TVs in the lobby bar of a hotel in Detroit's Renaissance Center, home to GM's headquarters. Several wearing GM badges declined to comment afterward, but one man whose fortunes are nearly as tied to GM as its employees expressed hope for the future of the company and industry.

"It's definitely a move in the right direction," said Tony Keros, who owns a restaurant and real estate development firm in the building. "Something has to happen."

In Ohio, Graham agreed that Washington just might get it right -- if only because the stakes are too high to fail.

"They understand that there are literally millions of people who depend on the auto industry -- whether directly or indirectly -- and a ripple effect of eliminating a General Motors, Chrysler or Ford would be devastating to an economy that's already been devastated over the past eight years," he said.

Associated Press writers Ben Leubsdorf in Clinton Township, Tim Martin in Delta Township, Ben Dobbin in Rochester, N.Y., and Thomas J. Sheeran in Cleveland contributed to this report
 
The banking industry senior executives are thieves and they too should not just to be fired, but some of them should go to jail (should I say Federal Prison.)

However, on the other hand, the GM retirees medical cost is exceeding 8 billion dollars and the pensions, and benefits of the GM workers have to be trimmed to be in line with the transplants.

I do believe the US Marshall has to be used to arrest all those AIG senior executives who refuse to return the bonuses which is costing the taxpayers 175 million dollars.

I do agree Obama is not even hand on the banking/insurance industry when it comes to making hard choices to fire CEO.

But don't forget the US Government actually started the Chrysler bail-out back in 1979.

I never forgot the long lines of Chrysler workers at Jefferson Street union hall waiting for hand-out from the Government in east side Detroit when I was a kid.

When is this hand-out to be ended? And who in this forum actually remember the Chrsyler bail-out in 1980's ?
 
Let me set this straight to all American. Yes, the US Government has bailed out Chrsyler for over 29 years ! It is time for Obama to say no to Chrsyler !!!

In 1979 Chrysler suffered a loss of $1.1 billion. That year the corporation requested aid from the government. In 1980 the Chrysler Loan Guarantee Act was passed, which provided $1.5 billion in loans to rescue Chrysler from insolvency. In addition, the government's aid was to be matched by U.S. and foreign banks. (What happened after the bailout?)

Long list of bailout and Chrsyler has many, many chances not just from the Government but also from the Germans. At the end, I just say what I always want to say. Let Chrsyler dies !

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Personally, there is nothing wrong with bail-out as long as the people involved in the business knew it is tax money American paid to the government.

Back in 1984, President Reagan came to our school and paid off the bank loan to the school building, a total of 80 million dollars. So in a microeconomic sense, it saved our school.

25 years later, the school becomes stronger and the graduates contribute 1,000,000 times back to the American society.
 
Congress' hearing with the auto CEO's was played out as if they had committed crimes. How about the thousands of thieves in the banking/real estate industry? On top of that , none of the reporters on tv know anything about the auto industry. "no one buy's american cars." yeah that's why GM has still been number one. It's the overhead stupid.
 
Let's look at Ford for a moment. Bill Ford, the scion, was running Ford into the ground in 2002-2006 timeframe. Ford moves him out of the CEO job--hires Alan Mulaly from Boeing...and what do you know...Ford is the strongest of the Big3 today.

Rick Wagoner was on the ropes at GM in 2007 and barely survived. The GM Board was going to shitcan him. Obama did them a favor. Wagoner was what, a 30 year vet, who built lately on a foundation of trucks and SUVs? Oops. Seems not a wise move when gas soared to $4/gal.

So let me get this straight. Rick Wagoner shows up to Congress in a private jet back in October and everyone, led by Republicans, howls in outrage. Wagoner's performance at GM hasn't merited him keeping his job even if he showed up to Congress wearing a barrel and flip flops.

It seems like Republicans are too greedy and selfish to run companies, they don't like to fire anybody for incompetence and they play class warfare to score cheap political points?

Was it not long ago that Republicans were hammering in the press that all the Big 3 need to be left to go bankrupt, void all Union contracts, and be sold for pennies to Chinese, Japanese and Indian auto manufacturers.

If you like bankruptcy and being bought by foreign companies...follow the Republicans...

I can't wait until we start reading all the OUTRAGE by Republicans in certain states that GASP! CHINA wants to buy GM??? NOOOOOO.........
 
bush was the worst president ever
 
Hey these are UNION workers... What, 90% of them vote Democrat (I think), and THEY are not happy with Obama.

Just thought I'd post something that shows opinions from the otherside.
 

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Everybody wants a hand-out. I really wish people would quit their fucking crying and try to make things better THEMSELVES.

WAH WAH, the automobile market is bad, give us money too!!! No...how about making a quality car and selling it at a reasonable price? No? You can't or don't want to do that? Well, then your industry is going to continue to suffer because your product sucks and people are sick of wasting their hard earned money on your bullshit cars.

Lovejoy..... how about just consolidation my friend, make just one post for all that info.

But then he wouldn't get to use all of those fun colors!!!
 
Everybody wants a hand-out. I really wish people would quit their fucking crying and try to make things better THEMSELVES.

WAH WAH, the automobile market is bad, give us money too!!! No...how about making a quality car and selling it at a reasonable price? No? You can't or don't want to do that? Well, then your industry is going to continue to suffer because your product sucks and people are sick of wasting their hard earned money on your bullshit cars.

Well said. Who wants to pay upwards of $40,000 for a new vehicle, let alone can afford that price?
 
Well said. Who wants to pay upwards of $40,000 for a new vehicle, let alone can afford that price?

Absolutely correct. US auto makers need to produce top quality,safe,efficient cars. They need to sell them for a modest profit. This,and better management will save any company in my opinion.
 
GM needs to closedown Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer and Buick. We all know they can't sustain these brands and copycat cars and SUVs.

Or, why don't they come out and say, "We're out of the SUV business and we'll use the bailout monies to fastrack fuel efficient cars similar to the new Malibu, which everyone loves..."

GM management have been douchebags before the economic collapse and if it takes Wagoner getting shitcanned to wake GM up...then so be it.

Take a page out of ol Henry Ford..."you can have anything you want as long as it's a black Model T"....
 
Yeah! Bring on the pussified cars. You know, the ones that come only in powder blue and lime green and bring sunshine smiles to mother earth!

No.

How about we loosen EPA restrictions on industry as a whole, that way America can actually manufacture products at reduced prices and companies will want to stay here bringing back jobs that are sorely needed.

Wouldn't that be a keen idea?
 
There is more to GM than trucks. Look at the revitalization of Cadillac in the past 8 years. Look at the new Malibu. I've seen it finish ahead of the Accord in magazine comparison's. Look at the new Pontiac G8. That's a hell of a car for the money. A month back Car and Driver compared it favorably to the BMW M5.
 
OMG, if people die... why can't failed companies... hmm, shall I ponder this some more?

::runs back to Stampede's Fridge for more beer::

Oh wait, I don't really have any sympathy for failed businesses anymore. One small fact, we (the United States) has spend roughly 5% of our GDP on bailouts... 5%.... want to spend more? The rest of the G20 has spend roughly 2-2.2% of their own GDP's.

This kinda ties in with the population thread... Why should you have more kids than adults, demanding jobs, and using up more resources than we can handle? The price comes from those 3 factors... Supply and Demand my friends, with prices of metals going up, demand for 40k cars going down... you lose... you lose money from manufacturing, which in turn causes job cuts, witch in turns causes a savings pandemic. We are a capitalist country, we need spending, not savings. My 2 cents, let the company die... new business can spring up from the ruins.

Now that thought brang on a whole new thought... wait a minute you said we need spending, how we going to spend without a job. Easy... With the loss of that pile of crap, we could (key word: could) start a focus on infrastructure. My god, think of all the "new roads" and my personal favorite "rail-roads". Oooh, and that frees up so much needed resources to do it, and the union can go into casting rebar, or rail track... hmmm, where's the jobs now?

Oh and for those who don't want to do it, we can always outsource (and odds are we will since no-one likes manual labor (labour if you're english)) to someone willing to take half of what you earn, hence doubling the work force, cutting time in half, and that company would get more government contracts... hmm, am I on to something?

Where was I at... ::looks at empty beer:: oh yeah I forgot... I don't care!
 
I don't feel sorry for any of these big corporations. The whole thing just pisses me off. I feel like we're being hijacked by these greedy bastards. If we don't help them our economy suffers, but if we do help them supposedly that helps our failing economy? So basically let's keep the rich rich while us consumers spend $$$$ on their crappy vehicles. Bottomline is that we're the ones who end up paying for their failure yet we don't move up the economy food chain? WTF? Where's our reward? More jobs working for Chrysler and GM? Whoopeedoo! Had they managed their company better instead of trying to squeeze every ounce of profit off of their crap vehicles we wouldn't have to be bailing them out.

End of rant.
 
Well remember, the reason we bailed out the banks, was so the economy didn't collapse worse. They didn't bail out a couple , at first, and they failed. So it wasn't just for them that we were bailing them out.
As for GM and Chrysler, most of their trouble has been costs. Namely healthcare. For every employee they have 2 or 3 retired, some of them 30 years, that they're still paying healthcare on. The second big problem is they have been geared up to sell too many cars. They have been selling record amounts in the auto industry in the past decade. But in order to do that, remember what they did? 0% financing. $5,000 cash back. These incentives killed profit too. So they need to scale back how many plants they have running. I mean, these companies are building cars that A Lot better than they were 20 years ago. There's no comparison. The white collar boys in Detroit havn't been getting annual bonuses like wall street. It's really two different things. I think GM would have far better off declaring chapter 11 , than letting the Government get involved with things.
 
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