Why Romney's Video Comments Have Killed His Candidacy

Mayhem

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-s-goodman/mitt-romney-video-florida-fundraiser_b_1893619.html

The reason the Romney campaign is now curtains is not the tone of those disdainful things he said about struggling Americans when he was behind closed doors with campaign contributors in Florida. We already knew that Romney views less fortunate people as losers and parasites.

The reason the video kills what remains of his bid for the White House is because of what it tells us about his understanding of the basic facts of the American situation: He thinks there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the economy, and there are plenty of lucrative opportunities out there for anyone willing to work for them.

That misunderstanding collides too directly with nearly every perspective a voter might bring to the polls, regardless of their partisan identification, their age, their gender, their race or their ideology.

Until now, the campaign has featured a sharp divide over policy prescriptions but not so much over descriptions of the state of play. Romney has sought to hand Obama responsibility for a bleak economy. Obama has argued that Romney would take us back to worse. But the basic inadequacy of economic opportunity has not been challenged.

But what Romney just got caught saying on video is that everything is pretty much fine. If it's not fine for you and your family, that's your own whiny fault. Publicly, he blames Obama for monkey-wrenching free enterprise, as if it's the president's fault that the economy is such a mess. Privately -- in front of people who own yachts and humidors -- he blames those who are not doing well for their own struggles.

Given how many are not doing well -- 80 percent of the workforce has seen their wages decline in real terms over the last quarter-century, and the average household has seen 40 percent of its wealth disappear during the Great Recession -- this is politically incendiary stuff. It lumps together people who have never missed a day of work in their lives with the worst stereotypical version of a welfare queen living on the public dole. Goodbye, Mitt. Go and pursue your own opportunities in the private sector.

Ezra Klein has adroitly handled the factual vacuity of Romney's claim that roughly half the country pays no taxes, noting that almost two-thirds of these people were working last year and handed over payroll taxes, making their effective tax burden -- 15.3 percent -- higher than Romney's 13.9 percent.

But forget those facts for a second and focus on the implications of Romney's message. In an America where nearly half the population is content to mooch off the government -- paying no taxes while using their food stamps for caviar and their Section 8 vouchers for suites at the Four Seasons -- the policy solution is straightforward: Yank the safety net and make those parasites go get one of those fabulous jobs just lying around for the taking.

By selecting as his vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan, who wants to gut Medicaid, and by broadcasting a fact-free attack on Obama that centers on claims that the president wants to unleash welfare checks like confetti, Romney has already let us know that he regards the poor as deadbeats. These toxic comments at the fundraiser in Florida tell us that he sees the middle class in similar terms.

He simply does not grasp that tens of millions of Americans make so little from their jobs that they pay no federal income taxes. He does not get that many people are saturated in debt and require help to get housing, health care and groceries -- not because they are lazy or morally degenerate or carry a sense of entitlement, but because their paychecks are inadequate.

For Romney's campaign, the video has produced a fatal narrative, one that adds momentum to others of its type in crucial pieces of the geography.

Those people who used to work in factories in Michigan and Ohio, where they earned enough to support their families but who now work at Walmart earning enough to qualify for food stamps, Romney just branded them lazy.

Those homeowners who are upside-down in Florida and Nevada and Colorado because someone lost a job that had health benefits and took another that doesn't, which forced them to tap their home equity to cover an unplanned illness: They think society owes them happy days, Romney just said.

Those students whose parents do not earn enough to pay for college, so they have to borrow from a federally backed program to finance higher education: Romney just called them societal leeches.

We just got a glimpse of the America that Mitt Romney sees from his privileged perch, one where anyone unable to attend a $50,000-a-plate fundraiser simply hasn't tried hard enough. That's too much of a contrast from the America in which most people live. It's going to be hard to explain to regular people.

Which is why this is the end of the Romney candidacy.
 

Mayhem

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The Real Romney Captured on Tape Turns Out to Be a Sneering Plutocrat

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/real-romney-is-a-sneering-plutocrat.html

Presidential campaigns wallow so tediously in pseudo-events and manufactured outrage that our senses can be numbed to the appearance of something genuinely momentous. Mitt Romney’s secretly recorded comments at a fund-raiser are such an event — they reveal something vital about Romney, and they disqualify his claim to the presidency.


To think of Romney’s leaked discourse as a “gaffe” grossly misdescribes its importance. Indeed the comments’ direct impact on the outcome of the election will probably be small. Romney repeated the wildly misleading but increasingly popular conservative talking point that 47 percent of Americans pay no income taxes. The federal income tax is, by design, one of the most progressive elements of the American tax system, but well over 80 percent of non-retired adults pay federal taxes. But most people hear “income taxes” and think “taxes,” which is why the trick of using one phrase to make audiences think of the other is a standard GOP trick when discussing taxes. For that very reason, it won’t strike many voters as an insult: Most people who don’t pay income taxes do pay other taxes, and fail to distinguish between them, and thus don’t consider themselves among the 47 percent scorned by Romney.


Instead the video exposes an authentic Romney as a far more sinister character than I had imagined. Here is the sneering plutocrat, fully in thrall to a series of pernicious myths that are at the heart of the mania that has seized his party. He believes that market incomes in the United States are a perfect reflection of merit. Far from seeing his own privileged upbringing as the private-school educated son of an auto executive-turned-governor as an obvious refutation of that belief, Romney cites his own life, preposterously, as a confirmation of it. (“I have inherited nothing. Everything I earned I earned the old fashioned way.”)


It is possible to cling to some version of this dogma and still believe, or to convince yourself, that cutting taxes for the rich or reducing benefits for the poor will eventually help the latter, by teaching them personal responsibility or freeing up Job Creators to favor them with opportunity. Instead Romney regards them as something akin to a permanent enemy class — “I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”


Romney explained to reporters tonight that his remarks were not "elegantly stated," but did not repudiate them as his true beliefs. In fact, it was quite eloquently stated. The Romney speaking to fund-raisers was not the halting, smarmy figure so frequently on public display but an eloquent and passionate orator. He had no reason to believe his donors needed to hear him denounce the poor — they would have been perfectly satisfied with a bromide about how cutting taxes on the rich will create opportunity for one and all. Instead he put himself forward as the hopeful president of the top half of America against the bottom.


Some pundits have likened Romney’s comments to Barack Obama’s 2008 monologue, also secretly recorded at a fund-raiser, about his difficulties with white working class voters in rural Pennsylvania. But the spirit of Obama’s remarks was precisely the opposite of Romney’s. While Obama couched his beliefs in condescending sociological analysis about how poor small town residents vote on the basis of guns and religion rather than economics, the thrust of Obama’s argument was that he believed his policies would help them, and to urge his supporters to make common cause with them:



But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.


Obama was aspiring to become president of all of America, even that part most hostile to him, in the belief that what they shared mattered more than what divided them. Romney genuinely seems to conceive of the lowest-earning half of the population as implacably hostile parasites.


The revelations in this video come to me as a genuine shock. I have never hated Romney. I presumed his ideological makeover since he set out to run for president was largely phony, even if he was now committed to carry through with it, and to whatever extent he’d come to believe his own lines, he was oblivious or naïve about the damage he would inflict upon the poor, sick, and vulnerable. It seems unavoidable now to conclude that Romney’s embrace of Paul Ryanism is born of actual contempt for the looters and moochers, a class war on behalf of his own class.
 
It's actually boosted his base. :)
 

Mayhem

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It's actually boosted his base. :)

Sam, you made a point worth replying to. I'm about to disagree with you and tell you that you're wrong, but I'm not doing so out of disrespect (in this case).

Not really. He already had all the "base" he was ever going to have. There is no "boosting" it from where he is at already.

What he has done is give Obama and his surrogates ........ hell, I can think of 5 different commercials I'd have running today, let alone all the different ways I'd use this all the way the the election. The above articles aren't telling me what to think, they are illustrating what I've been thinking this whole time. The undecideds and independents will decide this election, just like every other. And Romney just turned off a major number of them.
 
I think this is going to hurt him in Florida and Ohio, and if President Obama wins either, let alone both, I think he wins the election.

I like some of the nicknames coming out of this from the press - Thurston Romney. Sneering Plutocrat. Not terribly good journalism.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Boosted his base, eh? Oh yeah, all those old people in Florida who are on Social Security and don't pay Fed income taxes. So all you old geezers, Mitt's got a message for you: :thefinger

And don't forget to pull the lever for Mittens on Election Day. And take another one of these with you as a thank you: :thefinger

I just saw a graph that showed that of the top 10 states that have the highest number of people who, on net, pay no Fed income taxes, 8 of them went for McCain in 2008 - solid red states. Of the remaining two that went for Obama, Florida is one of them. And Mittens just gave them all a big "fuck you!" Brilliant! The man is a frickin' genius! No wonder Sam predicted that Romney was going to win in a landslide. Romney is making the '64 Goldwater campaign look like a well oiled machine. Yep, Mittens is clearly heading for a landslide win. :rolleyes: You heard it here from the resident genius: Slammin' Sammy! :nanner:
 
It's actually boosted his base. :)
Exactly.
It's boosted the people that were already convinced to vote foir him.
And it boosted the ones that were already convinced not to vote for him.
And some undecided people are now decided not to vote for him.

But you're right, it's boosted his base, the base he already had.
 

bobjustbob

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Plenty of time left before the election for gaffs and out of context sound bites. Both sides haven't begun to spend their money. Today I will take bets even money on a 15% Mitt loss. $5. Any takers?
 
I didn't read any previous posts"buT" i'll say that hidden vid of mitt just fucked any Chance for election-lol

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Plenty of time left before the election for gaffs and out of context sound bites. Both sides haven't begun to spend their money. Today I will take bets even money on a 15% Mitt loss. $5. Any takers?

I think 15% is high. I think it will be tighter than that. 9% at most.

Put me down for 4.57$
 

bobjustbob

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I'll take your $4.57 against my $5 at 9% and that ain't just because I like you. What I forgot to mention is will this be for electorals or popular vote? You make the choice Dirk. And just to make it clear for all, this is in USD. Not those Canadian euro pound things. Make your conversions.
 

meesterperfect

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You people are really buying all this US media bullshit.
And it is bullshit in every sense of the word. They are doing everything they can to shield and protect him.
And there doctored polls that they create to trick people into thinking he's ahead are nothing but bullshit too.
it's so obvious at this point that to deny is.............just lame.
So, let's recap this week.
Muslims attack our embassies on Sept 11. Kill an ambassador and other Americans.
Murder an ambassador.
Hang an Aiquada flag on our embassy and the media focuses on how Romney "spoke to soon" for 3 days.
Then we find out that it was known that these attacks and protests were gonna happen and the white house did nothing........which
is pretty bad (The PREZ is too busy campaigning aka dividing and having dinner with liberal celebrities to pay attention to a little thing like national security)............and what do they do? Come out with this speech that Romney made at a fundraiser months ago and portray it like it's so bad, like it's something it isn't, and make the
mushbrains out there think it cost him the election.
it's like they were saving it for the right time to as always protect the messiah.
ya'll know I'm right.
I'm gonna say now that no matter how much the media campaigns for him, no matter how many times he goes on letterman, there are still enough people with common sense to see him for what he is and vote him out, fire him.
 

xfire

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Plenty of time left before the election for gaffs and out of context sound bites. Both sides haven't begun to spend their money. Today I will take bets even money on a 15% Mitt loss. $5. Any takers?

Bob, put me down for a LANDSLIDE victory for Mitt Romney. $20.00
 

xfire

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ama-will-probably-get-5/?wprss=rss_ezra-klein
Mitt Romney will probably get 95 electoral votes from ‘moocher’ states. Obama will probably get 5.

Mitt Romney’s comments on the 47 percent of Americans who make too little to pay income tax and “will vote for this president no matter what” are causing him some political problems this morning. But could they cause him any electoral problems? Is he really insulting anyone who would already be willing to vote for him?

Actually, yes. The Tax Foundation put out this helpful map of the states with the highest and lowest percentage of people who don’t file income tax returns. The biggest non-filing states are — except Florida and New Mexico — solid red states:

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Three of the states with the lowest number of non-filers are solidly conservative: Alaska, North Dakota and Wyoming. Two, New Hampshire and Virginia, are swing states. All the rest are solidly Democratic, including half of New England. All told, Obama gets 50 electoral votes from the “maker” states to Romney’s 9 — 17 are tossups — while Romney gets 96 electoral votes from the “taker” states to Obama’s 5, with 29 as tossups.

Now, granted, many of the non-filers in red states vote Democratic. As Columbia’s Andrew Gelman and others have shown, those making less are likelier to vote Democratic regardless of whether they live in a red or blue state. But in terms of the electoral college, many of the states Romney is taking for granted, and some of the states he’s working hardest to win, have the highest populations of “takers” he derided as part of the Democrats’ base.
 

larss

I'm watching some specialist videos
You people are really buying all this US media bullshit.
And it is bullshit in every sense of the word. They are doing everything they can to shield and protect him.
The media are what put presidents into the Oval office
And there doctored polls that they create to trick people into thinking he's ahead are nothing but bullshit too.
it's so obvious at this point that to deny is.............just lame.
Can you show us some "doctored" polls?
So, let's recap this week.
Muslims attack our embassies on Sept 11. Kill an ambassador and other Americans.
Murder an ambassador.
Hang an Aiquada flag on our embassy and the media focuses on how Romney "spoke to soon" for 3 days.
Because he made an ass of himself lying that Obama sympathised with the attackers
Then we find out that it was known that these attacks and protests were gonna happen and the white house did nothing........which
is pretty bad (The PREZ is too busy campaigning aka dividing and having dinner with liberal celebrities to pay attention to a little thing like national security)............and what do they do? Come out with this speech that Romney made at a fundraiser months ago and portray it like it's so bad, like it's something it isn't, and make the
mushbrains out there think it cost him the election.
Yes, he was too busy to fly out there, Rambo style, and sort it all out for himself. Isn't that what you employ the military for?
it's like they were saving it for the right time to as always protect the messiah.
ya'll know I'm right.
I'm gonna say now that no matter how much the media campaigns for him, no matter how many times he goes on letterman, there are still enough people with common sense to see him for what he is and vote him out, fire him.
and vote in Romney instead? You really need to have a long hard look at this man's policies and the freedoms of expression that he is looking to take away from you.
Do you really think that the US would have been better off under a different president. I doubt it. Economically, you really could not have done much better. Look around the rest of the world - the economy is reflected in the World economy, which is not doing to well at the moment. Under Obama, you will have better health care (whether or not you choose to admit it) - some will be worse off, but the majority will have access to basic healthcare. The steep rise in unemployment which began before Obama took office slowed and peaked 8 months afterwards, and has steadily fallen since. It is not at the level it was when he took office, BUT it is still falling month on month. Business is looking healthier as can be seen by the rise in the DOW - yes, there are still some people going under. Companies that have been trading for years are still failing, but others are starting up. This would have happened regardless of who was in power.
POTUS has about as much affect on the economy as Canute did on the tide.
 
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