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Why Capitalism Will Be Obsolete
- Thread starter Luxman
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Failed communist regimes throughout history calls bullshit.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
I would rather the earth be destroyed by an asteroid than Communism take over.Communism doesn't work. Real Capitalism does. In a Republic.
Supafly
Retired Mod
Will, I notice you upgraded your avatar. Nice touch.
Concerning capitalism and the future - I believe Will and the other guy are partly right. Pure communism has elements that make it fail. A vital issue is the factor that drives capitalism: Competition. It got a really bad reputation, leading to the concept of "Games without losers" or such. Well, if noone is able to losae, noone has to push himself to win. That leads to a spiral downwards. You just need to look at the european concept of capitalism, and you see a winning upgrade
Concerning capitalism and the future - I believe Will and the other guy are partly right. Pure communism has elements that make it fail. A vital issue is the factor that drives capitalism: Competition. It got a really bad reputation, leading to the concept of "Games without losers" or such. Well, if noone is able to losae, noone has to push himself to win. That leads to a spiral downwards. You just need to look at the european concept of capitalism, and you see a winning upgrade
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
That was a long time ago.
You prove your insanity on a daily basis.
Communism doesn't work. Real Capitalism does. In a Republic.
If it doesn't work it will not last for a great period of time and then be lost to history.
But thinking the better alternative is the destruction of everything because you simply do not like something is just nuts.
Luxman
#TRE45ON
Feudalism vs. Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
"What lifts people out of poverty? Not laissez-faire capitalism. That’s just a fast-track to feudalism. It’s fairly clear, the richest countries and the countries that are currently lifting themselves out of poverty use a judicious mix of capitalism and democratic government control."
https://medium.com/@SusanBCogan/feudalism-vs-capitalism-vs-communism-vs-socialism-4360538562df
"What lifts people out of poverty? Not laissez-faire capitalism. That’s just a fast-track to feudalism. It’s fairly clear, the richest countries and the countries that are currently lifting themselves out of poverty use a judicious mix of capitalism and democratic government control."
https://medium.com/@SusanBCogan/feudalism-vs-capitalism-vs-communism-vs-socialism-4360538562df
that is the answer. It's ALWAYS been ahead of it's time, just like Obama was.
It just hasn't been implemented correctly thus far.
bump. because the OP won't just come out and say it.
there needs to be "something" other than capitalism to solve the world's problems. what could that something be? I dunno, could it perhaps be marxism/communism/collectivism?
#YouDidn'tBuildThat
#FuckTheLeft
fucking idiots
there needs to be "something" other than capitalism to solve the world's problems. what could that something be? I dunno, could it perhaps be marxism/communism/collectivism?
#YouDidn'tBuildThat
#FuckTheLeft
fucking idiots
Luxman
#TRE45ON
Why does it have to be everything or nothing, reality isn't like that.
A purely capitalist system would never work, and a purely communist system would never work either.
There has to be a balance, capitalism is the best economic system we have so far, but it has to be regulated by the government otherwise corruption grows and vice versa.
We see it clearly happening now as capitalist corporations increasingly bribe aka "lobby" politicians, the system is more corrupt.
But your close minded view of reality won't let you openly admit even that.
So the only idiotic opinions are from the person you see in the mirror.
Make articulate arguments instead of attacking liberals.
Those childish insults are more of a negative reflection on your intelligence than your intended targets.
A purely capitalist system would never work, and a purely communist system would never work either.
There has to be a balance, capitalism is the best economic system we have so far, but it has to be regulated by the government otherwise corruption grows and vice versa.
We see it clearly happening now as capitalist corporations increasingly bribe aka "lobby" politicians, the system is more corrupt.
But your close minded view of reality won't let you openly admit even that.
So the only idiotic opinions are from the person you see in the mirror.
Make articulate arguments instead of attacking liberals.
Those childish insults are more of a negative reflection on your intelligence than your intended targets.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
First, while capitalism is purely an economic system, communism is not (really) an economic system. It is a socio-economic political system, which in its purest form would employ socialism as its economic system. But what we see with countries like China (now) is a communist form of government which employs a form of managed capitalism, often times using SOEs (state owned/supported enterprises) as economic drivers. It's a lot easier to compete and win against other businesses when the government has already decided who the winners and losers are going to be, right? 
Pure anything typically doesn't work as well as rationally molding a system to make it do what you want it to do - called a "desired future state" in my world. Economic theories are dreamed up by ivory tower types, who quite often aren't plugged into reality. That's true of socialism and capitalism as well. We don't have, and haven't had in the modern age, pure or laissez faire capitalism. To varying degrees, we've had managed, regulated capitalism. We have had elements of socialism within our largely capitalist system for a very long time. The concern of many (myself included) is that if we have too much socialism, it necessarily leads to disincentives to work and be productive... or be successful. If an individual crosses a certain line of success, profit or income, and their success is punished by financially penalizing them in an onerous way, why take it to that next level? In other words, when a safety net turns into a hammock, people who could otherwise be productive members of society and could learn to decide their own fates, will just lay down and take what's given to them. In my opinion, that leads to a form of slavery, where the government becomes the master. As long as the master is benevolent, they may remain content and obedient. And that's exactly what some seem to be aiming for, IMO; a largely controllable population.
As for arguments about an increasingly prevalent corporate oligarchy being a danger to our (the U.S.) republic, I also think that's a very legitimate concern. But considering how many of the super rich corporate leaders are supportive of socialistic concepts like universal basic income (Soros, Bezos, Zuckerberg, et al), I wonder how and why people think that these individuals would willingly give up anything just to benefit "the people". The answer is, they're not. The wealth (which equals power) they have now will allow them to call the shots even more if and when a greater segment of the population becomes dependent on the government. There is a level of corruption in government that is at least equal to the corruption in the business world, probably more so. But I think the biggest threat we have to our republic is the bifurcated, sheep-like behavior of the general population. Whether on the left or the right, what I see is an increasing herd mentality, where people are divided into (only) two basic groups. Left/right, liberal/conservative, whatever you want to call them. When people stop thinking for themselves and just follow the party line, I don't see much hope going forward.
In all honesty, I have less hope for the future of this republic today than I did ten years ago. That feeling has NOTHING to do with who was President then or who is President now. It has to do with the Orwellian herd mentality that I mentioned above. Unfortunately, I've pretty much stopped caring - even though I may comment on the state of affairs that I observe and find so sad. But in practice, I just continue to execute my plan to take care of me and mine to the very best of my abilities. To sit around and worry about things outside of my control is just a waste of time.
I've been a wolf (which I regret now). I've been a Border Collie (to soothe my conscience). But I've never been a sheep. For those who accept that station in life, good luck to you.
Pure anything typically doesn't work as well as rationally molding a system to make it do what you want it to do - called a "desired future state" in my world. Economic theories are dreamed up by ivory tower types, who quite often aren't plugged into reality. That's true of socialism and capitalism as well. We don't have, and haven't had in the modern age, pure or laissez faire capitalism. To varying degrees, we've had managed, regulated capitalism. We have had elements of socialism within our largely capitalist system for a very long time. The concern of many (myself included) is that if we have too much socialism, it necessarily leads to disincentives to work and be productive... or be successful. If an individual crosses a certain line of success, profit or income, and their success is punished by financially penalizing them in an onerous way, why take it to that next level? In other words, when a safety net turns into a hammock, people who could otherwise be productive members of society and could learn to decide their own fates, will just lay down and take what's given to them. In my opinion, that leads to a form of slavery, where the government becomes the master. As long as the master is benevolent, they may remain content and obedient. And that's exactly what some seem to be aiming for, IMO; a largely controllable population.
As for arguments about an increasingly prevalent corporate oligarchy being a danger to our (the U.S.) republic, I also think that's a very legitimate concern. But considering how many of the super rich corporate leaders are supportive of socialistic concepts like universal basic income (Soros, Bezos, Zuckerberg, et al), I wonder how and why people think that these individuals would willingly give up anything just to benefit "the people". The answer is, they're not. The wealth (which equals power) they have now will allow them to call the shots even more if and when a greater segment of the population becomes dependent on the government. There is a level of corruption in government that is at least equal to the corruption in the business world, probably more so. But I think the biggest threat we have to our republic is the bifurcated, sheep-like behavior of the general population. Whether on the left or the right, what I see is an increasing herd mentality, where people are divided into (only) two basic groups. Left/right, liberal/conservative, whatever you want to call them. When people stop thinking for themselves and just follow the party line, I don't see much hope going forward.
In all honesty, I have less hope for the future of this republic today than I did ten years ago. That feeling has NOTHING to do with who was President then or who is President now. It has to do with the Orwellian herd mentality that I mentioned above. Unfortunately, I've pretty much stopped caring - even though I may comment on the state of affairs that I observe and find so sad. But in practice, I just continue to execute my plan to take care of me and mine to the very best of my abilities. To sit around and worry about things outside of my control is just a waste of time.
I've been a wolf (which I regret now). I've been a Border Collie (to soothe my conscience). But I've never been a sheep. For those who accept that station in life, good luck to you.
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