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Who's right... the Police or the Home owner????
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PirateKing
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Who protects us from the police? :2 cents:
Seems to me the guy asked them for a warrant before they could enter his home, they should have produced a copy of the warrant.
I know cops act all the time on warrants they find in their computer in traffic stops but they should have to present a warrant so the property owner can look at what acts it allows the cops to execute before they can enter his home.
I know cops act all the time on warrants they find in their computer in traffic stops but they should have to present a warrant so the property owner can look at what acts it allows the cops to execute before they can enter his home.
Could he have shot the cops if they enetered illegally? ps The warrant on the computer sounds like bullshit and no one in their right mind would accept that, why can't the police have portable pcs/smartphones where they can display the warrant electronically if needed. The taser (in the back 
) was just revenge for him standing up to them and not letting them in because he was not threatening and all that bullshit that he 'assaulted them' because the door touched them as he attempted to close it, isn't that entrapment? The whole thing is embarassing and makes UK cops look half competent.
) was just revenge for him standing up to them and not letting them in because he was not threatening and all that bullshit that he 'assaulted them' because the door touched them as he attempted to close it, isn't that entrapment? The whole thing is embarassing and makes UK cops look half competent.
Facetious
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Kingfisher
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Yeah, wouldn't that fall under the 4th.
Right of search and seizure regulated
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
There is also a provision that says if the police of federal agents are in pursuit of a fleeing felon, they do have the right to enter the premise. This doesn't really apply, and most likely someone is getting a lawsuit and fired.
Right of search and seizure regulated
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
There is also a provision that says if the police of federal agents are in pursuit of a fleeing felon, they do have the right to enter the premise. This doesn't really apply, and most likely someone is getting a lawsuit and fired.
This....
The guy sounded somewhat incoherent, but he was still right. They need to have a warrant and they didn't have one, and since they didn't have one, the police were guilty of trespassing, assault and probably a few other crimes.
I know the police have a thankless job, and I would say that's probably due to all the bad apples like these two. All you need to do is use some common sense. If you're going to arrest someone, get the warrant. It's not rocket science.
I know the police have a thankless job, and I would say that's probably due to all the bad apples like these two. All you need to do is use some common sense. If you're going to arrest someone, get the warrant. It's not rocket science.
WOW that is straight up ridiculous... good thing they got that on tape. LOL @ "they probably would've tased the baby." I mean, if they showed the guy a warrant and he still didn't let them in that would be a different story but unfortunately "it's in the computer." wft
Could he have shot the cops if they entered illegally? ps The warrant on the computer sounds like bullshit and no one in their right mind would accept that, why can't the police have portable pcs/smartphones where they can display the warrant electronically if needed. The taser (in the back
Years ago, I read a story once where a cop broke into a guys house looking for a murderer and the home-owner killed the cop. The home-owner was put on trial for murder, but was acquitted. His defense was very simple, the home-owner was in fear for his life.
I've seen too many stories where the cops get the wrong address and/or break into the wrong house. Just a couple weeks back, I saw one where cops broke in a house to get someone accused of downloading tons of child porn. They roughed up the guy very badly and screamed lots of obscenities at him about child porn and molestation, and they did all this in front of his wife and children! In the end, they had the wrong guy. Someone had piggy-backed onto his wireless signal. The guy who was wrongly accused decided not to sue. IMO, that was bullshit. I would have sued every one of them, I would have sued the police department, I would have sued the city, I would pressed charges against every one of those cops who touched me and every one who screamed an obscenity for the trauma they had cause my family.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
The homeowner.
The police are to protect and serve. They are just public servants.
Now go get me a sammich. :tongue:
The police are to protect and serve. They are just public servants.
Now go get me a sammich. :tongue:
Supafly
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I am not familiar with the US-american laws. Plus in the last part of the video, the mother, as I take it, says, 'And all of this about a 15-dolar iPod you found in the bathroom.'
If that is the only problem the police force had with the young man, that would be really overreacting.
Yet I have the impression it was not the first confrontation with the police, as he called them 'cocksuckers' etc. And the dad having set up several cameras points to the case that he was expecting the situation to go overboard.
He was pretty much on the offense, and why would the police tell him he or his son would be arrested? Obviously he tried to hide him from the police, and that is a stupid thing to do right away.
If there are things to settle with supposed crimes involved, you best get your lawyer and you go to the police office to get things cleared.
Thumb rule: If the police have to come and get you, things don't go as well as if you come to them. Phome them up, ask what the problem is, and when you can come in and resolve things.
Maybe it is me having experience as a lay judge here in Germany for some time...
If that is the only problem the police force had with the young man, that would be really overreacting.
Yet I have the impression it was not the first confrontation with the police, as he called them 'cocksuckers' etc. And the dad having set up several cameras points to the case that he was expecting the situation to go overboard.
He was pretty much on the offense, and why would the police tell him he or his son would be arrested? Obviously he tried to hide him from the police, and that is a stupid thing to do right away.
If there are things to settle with supposed crimes involved, you best get your lawyer and you go to the police office to get things cleared.
Thumb rule: If the police have to come and get you, things don't go as well as if you come to them. Phome them up, ask what the problem is, and when you can come in and resolve things.
Maybe it is me having experience as a lay judge here in Germany for some time...
The police are correct. this is an arrest warrant. not to enter the house and the homeowner did push the police officer at the door, also what is the entire story you just post a video of this man videotaping the police. what is the back story that led to this?
but the home owner did push the police officer, that is assualt. plain and simple.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_warrant
but the home owner did push the police officer, that is assualt. plain and simple.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_warrant
Cops like to abuse power, especially since arrest and ticket quotas. Yes some citizens are problematic, its just the problematic citizens are used as an excuse to "bend" the rules and allow abuse. we all ready lost being read Miranda rights because they changed the meaning of incustidy from being arrested and under the officers controle to being in a police station or a jail cell.
and Inocent untill proven guilty has been given a wave in many cases as arrests, tickets and warnings that have been determond unwarented, often still show up on police records and take a lawyer to get wiped from one's record.
also even if the arrest is false and a citizen is released, often there are still fines and fees to be paid.
many of the rules are treated with tounge and cheek because of a "well we just know it" attitude, which has a tendancey to favor the police.
TheOrangeCat
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Who watches the Watchmen?
Agree on this one. The two guys look like scumbags, but the police should NOT be able to enter a home without a warrant of some kind... saying one exists in cyberspace isn't good enough.:2 cents:
Thanx for the info. We had cops at our house once looking for a guy wanted for fraud, they had several officers covering the front and back and it was early in the morning so the 'operation' must have cost a bit. The guy they was looking for was a previous tenant and had moved out before we moved in months earlier, police could have knocked on our door anytime or even asked the agents (who rented us the house) for details of who lived there, made me wonder how old the intelligence they were using was but the lack of common sense was worrying, even one days surveillance would've shown who lived in the house or the post being delivered.
If someone breaks into my home I'd consider them a threat, even if confronted and they said they were a cop that could be a burglar trying to trick you, if you know you haven'y done anything wrong you wouldn't expect police breaking into your house and assuming it may be mistaken identity on the police's part is the last thing on your mind.
Absolutely. A cop could say he has one on his computer, even though he doesn't, and then later say that he was looking at the wrong one, or some other lame excuse. This wasn't a felony, it was just something silly, and I don't see the guy as trying to shove the cop, but just shut the door.
Facetious
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The only means where I could see that a law enforcement officer could lawfully enter a private dwelling without a warrant in hand would be if they witnessed a situation where one or more individuals inside of said dwelling happened to be in immediate danger i.e. a potential loss of life and/or limb(s) situation... or maybe even a child abuse situation in progress, for then, I think they could and should be able to lawfully force an entry.
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