where?

[b23k]

BTW lordraven, who is that bigtitted hotty under your username?:hatsoff:

 

[big lu]

B23k the British troops are also guilty in this situation. With the exception of maybe UN defence troops I dont think there has ever been a war in history where all the partispants on any side have acted like saints and acted on their best behaviour with their enemy. It's a war and in a war a soldgers job is to kill people and destroy shit- there is a fine line between performing that kind of job and getting caught up in doing things tlike urinating on a prisoner.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40103000/jpg/_40103599_mirror203.jpg

 

[b23k]

big lu, if you read the thread, you will see that i already condemned the alleged actions of the british troops that have come to light. at present, piers morgan (who is a cunt, editor of the mirror) is under alot of pressure, cos it may be that those pics are not genuine.

however, like i said, should they be genuine, it is equally dispicable behavior and i have no hesitation in saying it, you should not be acting defensive, this is an opportunity to express that what has been going on is not acceptable to you, to me and and anyone who respects human beings.

Not an issue to be dismissed on this board, and i'm glad some of you are discussing it, instead of pretending like it is either not happening, or ok that it is.

 

[hinddee29]

Who in the hell is talking about 9/11. Ok then how you go about
getting important intel from someone that isn't going to talk. Are
you going to blow sweet nothings up there ass, and give them a kiss on the head.
Still the thing that have happend are still know where close to who other pow have been treated in the past. Or how they our now. Have we taken pow's and put a pole up someones ass and cut there nuts cut off like the Nazi's did. This happened I know some that seen it and lucked out and didn't have it happen to him.
Sure I wish everyone could get along, but it's never going to happen.
Far as with the US if we weren't playing by the rules we wouldn't
have some many dead right now. No we are there to being back order, but at the same time don't kill anyone. It's bull shit If we can't do the job the way it sould be done and take over than
pull out. They aren't worth it. I'm done and could care less what you think. You can go back to hold up your peace sign now.

hinddee29

 

[anobody]

i was just expressin my opinion toward this thread - which, btw isnt titled anything to do with its content really is it

the big tit hottie was Ewa Sonnet check this thread for all of her

http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11507

the new vamp girl im usin now i dont know name of tho if anyone does, let me know!

 

[b23k]

[B Ok then how you go about
getting important intel from someone that isn't going to talk.

You are barking up the wrong tree, the prisoners that were involved in the 1st set of pics were being detained because of some theft/looting.....nothing to do with the war itself or terrorism?

So saying that kind of treatment is necessary for info is far fetched.

As for your "peace sign" comment, you're talking to the wrong person, i'm no fucking hippy peace actitivist. I understood the US reasons for going into Afghanistan, and i was totally not sold by Blair on his WMD reasons for going into Iraq. Now that your troops and Brit troops are over there, things are just getting messier all the time, and i expect things will get worse, more lives lost and for no just cause in all essence.

For you guys in the US, this war may have been about Hussein....but over here that was not the angle, WMD were. There are none, and so the war is for nothing. Blair will lose the election even though he is up against piss poor opposition from the tories, and the main factor will be the war in Iraq.

BTW, like many people i have studied nazi germany and am well aware of some of the things that went on, even worse than what you described. it wouldn't have been acceptable to me then, and it is not now.

 

[b23k]

i was just expressin my opinion toward this thread - which, btw isnt titled anything to do with its content really is it

the big tit hottie was ewa sonnet check this thread for all of her

http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11507

the new vamp girl im usin now i dont know name of tho if anyone does, let me know!

The title is as it is for obvious reasons if you read the initial post.
I'm not against you expressing your opinion, just that to say that this thread should be moved just cos its not something you want to talk about...is surely not the way things should be?

There are many complete bollox threads on freeones, but i don't go into them all saying they should be stopped or whatever, just let those that want to discuss whatever they want to discuss do so...my view is if i don't like a thread, i don't continue to read it, or post in it.

Thats just my view anyway.

Thanks for the id.:hatsoff:

 

[big lu]

however, like i said, should they be genuine, it is equally dispicable behavior and i have no hesitation in saying it, you should not be acting defensive, this is an opportunity to express that what has been going on is not acceptable to you, to me and and anyone who respects human beings.

I dont like Bush and his policies either and just like you I also do alot of complaining about this current government. I just get the feeling that our reasons are different and that is why I get defensive. The reason I'm against all this shit is because its out of love for my country and I think our leadership can do better if it changed come November. When I read your posts you seem to me like you're just against the US and I think that's where the disaggreement comes in.

:hatsoff:

 

[b23k]

I dont like Bush and his policies either and just like you I also do alot of complaining about this current government. I just get the feeling that our reasons are different and that is why I get defensive. The reason I'm against all this shit is because its out of love for my country and I think our leadership can do better if it changed come November. When I read your posts you seem to me like you're just against the US and I think that's where the disaggreement comes in.

:hatsoff:

I am very much against US foreign policy, that DOES NOT MEAN I AM AGAINST THE ORDINARY PEOPLE OF THE US.

When I 1st posted about the pictures that have come to light, it was not an attack on US people...it WAS an attack on US Soldiers who committed those actions.

I would hope you don't just defend Americans, because they are American, but defend them because they are innocent or such like. As you know these people are far from innocent and should therefore be condemned, if they were mongolian they should be hammered, if they were Argentinian they should be hammered, if they were English they should be hammered.

Its not a case of me having a go at Americans, but i'm sure you can appreciate if someone was against the war in Iraq like i was, when you add all of these factors, it becomes compounded.

The US has been guilty of double standards, i'm sure we don't need to go into the fact the US supported Hussein against Iran, so when I hear someone like Rumsfeld turn around and say Hussein needs to be removed because he is evil......it makes me furious, because he was just as evil when he was on the American side!!!

That is why, us here in Britain (i don't speak for everyone obviously, but those who do) were not accepting that reasons for war are that Hussein is a despot.......because we have known that for years and years, Blair's reasons to us were WMD....you live and die by your decisions on such matters, so hopefully Blair will pay with his loss of an election, he went with the US, he gambled and failed, and so should take the consequence.

To be honest big lu, it sounds like we probably have a number of things in common regarding your government.....please don't be affected by the fact i'm not from the US, i'm Argentinian who lives in England...i've got no problem with the US believe me, I love Seinfeld, I love Chasey Lain and I love Steph Mcmahon...nuff said!:nanner: :hatsoff:

I draw the line though at abuse of prisoners, i hope that the rumour going round of what is on these videos that are to come out, are not true. I won't discuss that issue, until it comes to light, but i hope they did not do what is rumoured, i'm sure you have heard the rumours yourself today.

 

[pedropolo]

I just wanted to state that I really like the idea of people discussing war and politics on a porn board.
It proves that were not (as could be expected) a bunch of wankers sitting in front of a screen and jerking off. And by no means this should be taken to any other board or even removed/delted. Of course we may like to stare at tits and clits but also were are reasonable people who have opinions on present political, ethic and moral themes.

I don´t want to say much about things happening in Iraq. Just that I´m in a way afraid. And things have only become worse there.

There was NO need @ all for going to war.
And soldiers who treat anyone, prisoner, crimininal, terrorist or not in the way american soldiers did should be punished.

Regards

Pedro

 

[Yup]

Everyone needs to settle down, DAMN! Step away from the keyboard...take a little break, ok?

 

[anobody]

no need at all for war???

yeah whatever

but i love way u then say people who abused terrorists should be punished

punish the fucking terrorists!

 

[b23k]

I just wanted to state that I really like the idea of people discussing war and politics on a porn board.
It proves that were not (as could be expected) a bunch of wankers sitting in front of a screen and jerking off. And by no means this should be taken to any other board or even removed/delted. Of course we may like to stare at tits and clits but also were are reasonable people who have opinions on present political, ethic and moral themes.

I don´t want to say much about things happening in Iraq. Just that I´m in a way afraid. And things have only become worse there.

There was NO need @ all for going to war.
And soldiers who treat anyone, prisoner, crimininal, terrorist or not in the way american soldiers did should be punished.

Regards

Pedro

Exactly, although I disagree about the wanker thing. I am a wanker, i'm just not ONLY a wanker. I'm a wanker who loves my woman, but that doesn't mean i won't still think about fucking Steph every now and then, i'm a wanker who loves football, i'm a wanker who loves my job, and i'm a wanker who at times gets very pissed off at the likes of Rumsfeld!

However, even though i'm a wanker, it doesn't give any of you the right call me a wanker, got that you bunch of wankers? :tongue:

 

[b23k]

but i love way u then say people who abused terrorists should be punished

punish the fucking terrorists!

Yeah terrorists should be punished, but not all of these people that have been abused ARE terrorists. Infact, none of them so far have been labelled as such.

 

[b23k]

Everyone needs to settle down, DAMN!

In the past couple of weeks, i've been told on here to settle down about sports......and now settle down about politics/war......for fuck sake, what should we be allowed to get a little heated about, a pair of tits?

 

[anobody]

true!

not sayin they have been labelled as such btw

tho in general in the world, the wrong people seem to get punished thx to hand-wringin liberals and human rights activists

convicted terrorist should be dropped in deep holes and forgotten

 

[b23k]

true!

not sayin they have been labelled as such btw

tho in general in the world, the wrong people seem to get punished thx to hand-wringin liberals and human rights activists

convicted terrorist should be dropped in deep holes and forgotten

I understand what you are saying on all those counts, and wouldn't disagree with any of them.

I know this is off topic, but you know what else really fucks me off? Animal rights activists, i don't get people that make a bigger fuss over an animal being mis-treated than a human being!!!

 

[parker]

We expect atrocious behaviour from people like Mugabe, Hussein etc because they are evil scum

Surely you do not expect and accept the same standard of behavior from people in your military?

I would not ask that question, even rhetorically, since I believe it's based upon faulty logic. The former group's actions are state sanctioned and the latter's are not. The fact that the media (and with that, the people) have been shocked and outraged is evidence that they don't support such behaviour.

I, however, am a bit more jaded in my opinion of what goes on during a war. Although I've never served in the military I know some who have, including some who've fought in some of the most vicious wars from decades past. What I've learned from their tales is that no war is clean. There are attrocities committed by both sides, there are "good" and "evil" people fighting on both sides, and ethics and morality are often lost in a hostile situation. That's why I'm not that surprised to hear a story like this. The difference between "us" and "them" is how we treat the offending parties. If these soldiers had been Saddam's men they'd be getting medals and promotions for what they did. Assuming the guilty parties in this case are duly punished, and we have no reason to believe thusfar that they won't be, then the difference between us and them becomes quite clear.

As far as the gov'ts "tapdancing" on this issue is concerned, I would assume that it's politically motivated. Any issue that could harm a gov't's popularity, especially in an election year, is going to be handled delicately, even to the point where it becomes frustrating for the rest of us to watch. That's just the reality of politics.

 

[bibo]

I find it hard to actually discuss this topic. We all know that something went out of hand there and that those acts we´ve see in those pictures are disgusting and can´t be tolerated. I know it, you know it, even Bush and Rumsfeld and Fox News know it. Oh... wait a minute, ok Bush knows at least.
Those pictures are just a proof, that nobody can claim to be on the good side, because as parker said: a war is never clean and fair. It´s just a hard step to realise, that our western civilization can be just as ugly and disgusting as every other country. I`m deliberately saying "our" and not "the american" because this is something we´re all responsible for. It´s not just a matter of UK or USA, it´s one level above that.
I think that´s the strongest impact of those pictures because even the strongest believers of "we´re the guys with the white hats and we´re fighting for freedom, peace and democracy and never fail" will have to adjust their points of view now.

 

[member2686]

Lord Raven, the "vamp" girl in your sig is MY sig girl, Brittney Skye... :nanner::hatsoff:

And as I said before, ;let those in violation of the Geneva Convention be held accountable, prosecuted, and brought to trial/justice...

I dislike G.W. Bush as much as many people, but this is getting asinine and overly political. These were rogue/bad "jarheads" being over-zealous.... Sickos....