US government takes on big role in mortgage market

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080908...ants_crisis;_ylt=As1Sqqd_7iTmwoKeRefjHiZI2ocA

WASHINGTON - Uncle Sam has just become the 800 pound gorilla in the U.S. mortgage market. The Bush administration is seizing troubled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in a bid to help reverse a prolonged housing and credit crisis.

But private analysts worried that it may not be enough to stabilize the slumping housing market given the glut of vacant homes for sale, rising foreclosures, rising unemployment and weak consumer confidence.

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com predicted that 30-year mortgage rates, currently averaging 6.35 percent nationwide, could dip to close to 5.5 percent. That's because investors will be more willing to buy the debt issued by Fannie and Freddie — and at lower rates — since the federal government is now explicitly standing behind that debt.

"Effectively, the federal government has now become the nation's mortgage lender," he said. "This takes a major financial threat off the table."

Officials announced Sunday that both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were being placed in a government conservatorship, a move that could end up costing taxpayers billions of dollars."






The govt is an endless pot of money to fix problems created by unethical corporate types apparently.And make no mistake that is what caused this.The execs at fannie and freddie saw much bigger profits and thereby bigger compensation for themselves by going into riskier aspects of the mortgage buisness.Both parties did nothing due to lobbying to prevent this.
At some point probably soon they won't have the credit/money to keep bailing out every bad scheme they have gotten us into.
The one thing I would really like people to see in all this is as bad as you may think politicians are, the people that you can't trust even more are the corporate types and the influence and lobbying they do that corrupts everything they touch.My eyes just roll when I hear people say they want the govt run like a buisness.Remember the real big time crooks in this country get their clothes at brooks brothers lol.Just look at how well these corporations have done with our health care system.We spend twice as much per person as any other country and don't even cover everyone,we are being robbed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:
 

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"We structured this facility to protect the taxpayer," Paulson said Monday in an interview on the CBS Early Show. "The government will be repaid ... before the shareholders of these companies get a penny."

Officials announced Sunday that both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were being placed in a government conservatorship, a move that could end up costing taxpayers billions of dollars.

Apparently we have different defintions of the word "protection".
 

om3ga

It's good to be the king...
This WILL cost US taxpayers billions of dollars - Fannie & Freddie are effectively being nationalised (similar to what we did with Northern Rock).

But the alternative (letting them fail) would have been awful to comtemplate for the global financial system...
 
First it was Bear Stearns. Then it was IndyMac. Now it's Fannie and Freddie. Next it will be Big Auto. Then it will be Big Airlines.

The economy is teetering on total collapse. Unemployment is skyrocketing. Inflation is skyrocketing.

President Bush is a complete fool and lameduck.

McCain offers nothing on the economy. Only more tax cuts without spending cuts and endless war.

Obama seems too concerned with what Republicans think about him and not with what needs to be done to fix our country.

Today's Gov't bailout announcement smells more like the dawning of a new Great Depression in America.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080908...ants_crisis;_ylt=As1Sqqd_7iTmwoKeRefjHiZI2ocA
The govt is an endless pot of money to fix problems created by unethical corporate types apparently.And make no mistake that is what caused this.The execs at fannie and freddie saw much bigger profits and thereby bigger compensation for themselves by going into riskier aspects of the mortgage buisness.Both parties did nothing due to lobbying to prevent this.
At some point probably soon they won't have the credit/money to keep bailing out every bad scheme they have gotten us into.
The one thing I would really like people to see in all this is as bad as you may think politicians are, the people that you can't trust even more are the corporate types and the influence and lobbying they do that corrupts everything they touch.My eyes just roll when I hear people say they want the govt run like a buisness.Remember the real big time crooks in this country get their clothes at brooks brothers lol.Just look at how well these corporations have done with our health care system.We spend twice as much per person as any other country and don't even cover everyone,we are being robbed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:


Well as you recall there was a good statement in a video, the words of the head of the GAO making the point that there is no money in the US to back it up long before Iraq was this much of a problem, Bear Stearns, or this mortgage mess. What was that link?
 
Well as you recall there was a good statement in a video, the words of the head of the GAO making the point that there is no money in the US to back it up long before Iraq was this much of a problem, Bear Stearns, or this mortgage mess. What was that link?

I just looked I don't have it saved,but rememeber it well about how we are going to just have to raise taxes to astronomical prportions to pay the interest on the debt and the liability's we have commited ourselves too_Of course that leaves very little for all the other things the govt does like defense,taking care of infrastructure ,disasters ,etc..
I can't remember his name but my brother says there is a former Colnel or something who was on PBS and has a book out about all this that made a lot of sense.How he says that even though he is a conservative he thinks our political system broke in the 80s with Reagan and deficit spending.Americans are in that for blame as well he says as we want all these luxuries like fancy cars ,Ipods etc at the expense of taking care of the basics like infrastruture and paying the taxes to actually pay for such things.Its all going to come crashing down he says as we just can't keep borrowing forever.
 
This WILL cost US taxpayers billions of dollars - Fannie & Freddie are effectively being nationalised (similar to what we did with Northern Rock).

But the alternative (letting them fail) would have been awful to comtemplate for the global financial system...

I read it could cost as much as 200 billion dollars.

They had to do it though. 1/2 of America's mortgages in the hands of 2 companies that answered to stock holders while the economy severely retracts?
I think the problem was the government allowing those crazy mortgages in the first place. Any idiot (like myself) could clearly see years ago that when these mortgages' initial terms were up that most of the home owners would not be able to keep up the new, FAR higher payments. And that the housing market would significantly retract.
But everyone wanted on the greed train that made no stops at Common Sense station.
 

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Scandal





Just look at the principals involved -

Many were high ranking American officials . . . . democrats and republicans alike . . . . coincidence ?


Scandal !, You naive, complicit and obedient dummies!!!!

Not specifically you, just the "true believers".



"It's "good" for the economy"

Bullshit, it's black mail ! . . . extortion ! like no other :thefinger
 

om3ga

It's good to be the king...
Scandal





Just look at the principals involved -

Many were high ranking American officials . . . . democrats and republicans alike . . . . coincidence ?


Scandal !, You naive, complicit and obedient dummies!!!!

Not specifically you, just the "true believers".



"It's "good" for the economy"

Bullshit, it's black mail ! . . . extortion ! like no other :thefinger

OK - let Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fail.
As LBP 76 stated, both companies reportedly own or guarantee about half of the U.S.'s $12 trillion mortgage market.
According to the BBC, that's about $5.3 trillion (£2.7 trillion) worth of home loans - which is about 25 times as big as Northern Rock's obligations, and twice the size of the UK economy.

Somehow though, I don't think Dubya & Co wanted to be remembered as the folks who let Fannie & Freddie fail...with all the consequences that involves.
 
Sarah Palin showed what a light weight intellect she has by completely misunderstanging these financial institutions. And she will be a weak heart beat from the presidency!




McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, speaking in Colorado Springs, Colo., said Fannie and Freddie had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers." The companies, however, aren't taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in a taxpayer bailout during reorganization


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/51940.html
 
Sarah Palin showed what a light weight intellect she has by completely misunderstanging these financial institutions. And she will be a weak heart beat from the presidency!







http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/51940.html

What's scary is I read yesterday that in 1 poll McCain is ahead of Obama by 4 points.

'Once again our top story; President McCain has died of a massive heart attack this morning. Vice-President Palin will be sworn in later today.'
 
OK - let Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fail.
As LBP 76 stated, both companies reportedly own or guarantee about half of the U.S.'s $12 trillion mortgage market.
According to the BBC, that's about $5.3 trillion (£2.7 trillion) worth of home loans - which is about 25 times as big as Northern Rock's obligations, and twice the size of the UK economy.

Somehow though, I don't think Dubya & Co wanted to be remembered as the folks who let Fannie & Freddie fail...with all the consequences that involves.

No obviously we can't let them fail.But the lesson is that the republicans philosophy of govt just needs to have a hands off, get out the way, don't regulate these people approach is very flawed and we are now paying a big price for that.

Sarah Palin showed what a light weight intellect she has by completely misunderstanging these financial institutions. And she will be a weak heart beat from the presidency!







http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/51940.html
I am depending on the media and the the Obama campaign to get the facts about her out.How she is just plain lying about her so called record of being against things like "the bridge to nowhere"(which eventually she decided to be against but the state still kept the money just dumped the bridge) and refusing govt money as gov of Alaska,geez its Alaska they get more federal money per person then anybody just about I think .Not to mention her extreme view on social issues and even more importantly how she really is just a bumpkin (which your link shows) in way over her head talking about or dealing with the complexities of the national govt.I heard she asked in July when I guess she got wind she might be picked the question,"Just what does a VP do on a day to day basis".

What's scary is I read yesterday that in 1 poll McCain is ahead of Obama by 4 points.

'Once again our top story; President McCain has died of a massive heart attack this morning. Vice-President Palin will be sworn in later today.'
Yes that is scary but lets not panic yet lol.The debates and exposure of the next two months hopefully will reveal to people that the choice is clear.If your happy with how things have gone for the last 8 years vote for McCain/Palin if your not vote for Obama /Biden.I simply can't imagine John McCain at 72 being the only thing between the Presidency and Sarah Palin though.
 
It seems like we got the worst of both worlds with them. When we let them exist in first place all that time ago, we should have either nationalized them right then (of course we were probably too scared of the socialist bogyman at the time), or just let them die out because of their own folly now. We're getting screwed by doing it the way we are now. In the worse case scenario we might end up almost as bad as having them both go under since we now pretty much have to back them and the mortgages up no matter what.
 
It seems like we got the worst of both worlds with them. When we let them exist in first place all that time ago, we should have either nationalized them right then (of course we were probably too scared of the socialist bogyman at the time), or just let them die out because of their own folly now. We're getting screwed by doing it the way we are now. In the worse case scenario we might end up almost as bad as having them both go under since we now pretty much have to back them and the mortgages up no matter what.

We have to back them because they are so involved with the entire housing market in our country but also because, if they fail, the Foreign Investors who have bought some of these packaged mortagage investments sponsored by Freddie/Fannie will have to cash out of their other U.S. holdings (namely Treasurys) and Foreignors doing that (namely China and the Saudis) mean the end of the United States as a Sovereign Nation. The Gov't would fail. The U.S. would instantly return to the 1800s.
 
I don't think President Bush cares or even knows the fiscal calamities his poor decision making and leadership have unleashed upon our country. He has an attitude of "isn't everyone rich like me, and for the people who aren't rich, well, we rich people take care of them anyway with our noble largesse. Someone's gotta clean our houses and mow our lawns. Right Karl? Right Dick?"
 
I feel bad for anyone who had their life savings in either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac stock.

Both lost a staggering 85% of their Friday close value's in one day!
 

Facetious

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I don't think President Bush cares or even knows the fiscal calamities his poor decision making and leadership have unleashed upon our country.

You're giving him a pass . . are you ?

I cannot find the "poor" in his decision making. It's all calculated thievery, IMO. They simply can't resist the temptation.
These fuckers will render the dollar absolutely useless.

We Shall Stone Them !
Be on the lookout !
 
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