Tucker Carlson: How Is A War With Iran In America's Interest In Any Way?

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

If War with Iran does benefit America, then how? if not, who do you think it really benefits? Who's interests would we be serving?

Even a Conservative source thinks War with Iran is hot BS.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...ith_iran_in_americas_interest_in_any_way.html

Tucker Carlson: How Is A War With Iran In America's Interest In Any Way?
FNC's Tucker Carlson talks with retired Army Colonel Douglas MacGregor about the push in the Trump White House for a war with Iran:

TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: More than anything in the world, National Security adviser, John Bolton would love to have a war with Iran. It would be like Christmas, Thanksgiving, and his birthday wrapped into one.
Well, mercifully, John Bolton doesn't command the military. President Trump does. The question is how influential is Bolton in the White House?

Just last week, Bolton announced a Carrier Strike Force was being sent to the Persian Gulf to check Iran. Now the "New York Times" reports that the President has been presented with a plan to deploy 120,000 American troops to the Middle East. The President says that report is untrue.

CARLSON: Okay, so obviously, this is fluid, but the larger question remains unanswered. How is a war with Iran in America's interest in any way?

It's time to start asking answering that question. Douglas MacGregor is a retired Army Colonel, author of the tremendous book, "A Margin of Victory," and a frequent guest in the show. He joins us today. Colonel, thanks very much for coming on.

COLONEL DOUGLAS MACGREGOR, RET.,U.S. ARMY: Sure.

CARLSON: So what does it mean to have a Carrier Group in the Persian Gulf?

MACGREGOR: Well, Tucker, we've got a manufactured crisis. There's nothing new in this intelligence. We've been operating in this area for several years now, the Iranians and we, we were both interested in destroying the same target, ISIS.

CARLSON: Yes.

MACGREGOR: And we always knew there was friction and hostility there. We've managed to avoid any problems. The Iranians have avoided any problems. So it's hard to buy the notion that we now have to have a Carrier Battle Group in the Persian Gulf, along with hundreds of aircraft flying in from all over the world in order to deter Iran from attacking us.

There's no evidence that Iran wants to attack us. Quite the contrary, I think they'd like very much to avoid any conflict with us under any and all circumstances.

CARLSON: So why would we -- why are we doing this? And what are the potential consequences of doing it?

MACGREGOR: Well, I think the people that were behind this that persuaded the President to take these actions are hoping, frankly, that if you put large numbers of forces from the United States in close proximity to Iran in a small area like the Persian Gulf -- the Gulf is only 220 miles wide -- that something will happen, that something will go wrong.

It sort of looks like a Gulf of Tonkin incident with missiles in the making. Now, do we benefit? It's hard to see how. I mean, the first question you should always ask before any action is taken, measure what you might gain by what you might lose. What do we gain? Is this supposed to persuade the Iranians that they should not keep some additional enriched uranium? Is this designed to make them capitulate to the series of demands that Mr. Pompeo put in front of them?

If so, I think that's ludicrous. I don't see any evidence of that happening. Is this designed to drive a wedge between Russia and China? On the opposite, I think you're going to forced cohesion on all of the great continental powers against us. They're going to look at any action we might take against Iran as a precursor to future action we may take against them.

So I don't see the President gaining from this, but I see that he loses. I don't see how he gets reelected. I don't see how he achieves anything in the Gulf that is positive whatsoever for the United States and the American people.

CARLSON: But there in our foreign policy establishment, it is a fairly large group, relatively speaking, a large group of people who are intent on a war with Iran.

MACGREGOR: Yes, well, unfortunately, in the case of General McKenzie, who spoke not long ago in front of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, he described himself as a man with a bias for action. I'd much rather have a four-star with a bias for thinking. And right now, he should be very concerned about the secondary effects of anything we do in the Gulf.

The Russians are not idle. They are watching this very carefully. If we take action, and we get into a killing spree with the Iranians, they will come in, and we will find ourselves without a backdoor to get out easily.

The Chinese will also ship what they can, and by the way, the Turks who have no love for the Iranians may view this as something positive that they should participate in. This is not a good thing for the United States.

CARLSON: And the people agitating for it right now -- MSNBC, CNN, Max Boot, Bill Kristol -- the usual suspects, none of whom have the country's interests at heart, I would argue. I mean, it's chilling.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Iran is the last country on the list.

 

[Johan]

 

[xfire]

Won't matter to Trumptards, he's their Jesus, but oh, how I remember the same motherfuckers calling Barack Obama, "Messiah" and other such stupid names. Just wow, how the far right has sold out.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Won't matter to Trumptards, he's their Jesus, but oh, how I remember the same motherfuckers calling Barack Obama, "Messiah" and other such stupid names. Just wow, how the far right has sold out.

Something this important you have to keep trying to talk to people no matter what camp they're in. I originally was for the Iraq War. I'm embarrassed by that now. The term "patriot" became perverted and I became a marionette myself worrying about being called unpatriotic. I even flung the unpatriotic card at others and treated people interested in finding out the truth about 9/11 like vermin. I don't appreciate the poison the media put into my head but I can only blame myself for my own ignorance. I changed and other people can change too. The federal government and other peoples eager for this war would be more than happy to keep us all divided and at each others' throats. I know you don't care for Tucker Carlson but think of the people he reaches. It's some counterbalance to the Kool-Aid Sean Hannity is peddling.

The way we've been baiting the Iranians really concerns me. As was mentioned there could be a Gulf of Tonkin type incident or even a USS Liberty type "accident". Peel off anyone you can. Even one at a time can make a difference as they will talk to other people and so on. I'm sure you can find some conflicted people who were original Trump supporters who are scratching their heads at what he's saying now. Let's stop fighting with each other.

 

[meesterperfect]

Good posts Dino X and Johan.

All we have to do is figure out the obvious signs and its all so obvious. This shit has been coming for a long time. We have been trained to expect it, however we aren't as naive as we were in 2001 so getting The People on board with a major war won't be easy.
It will take another Pearl Harbor Type Event to get people to back it and even then many (like me) will either be suspicious or see it for what it really is this time.

Israel has been pushing for a USA attack and war with Iran. The media has been conditioning us for it.
Will it ever happen or is it just the usual every single day deception and fear mongering designed to control and manipulate us?

Is Israel is our friend? If you answered yes consider this.
They have Nukes. Lots of Nukes.
Only unlike every other country with Nukes they don't have to follow the rules. Nobody knows how many they have because they won't tell and they won't allow inspections.
Why does every government tolerate this?
That's easy, the Banks who control every countrys economy and own all their politicians therefore military's as well created Israel.
So nobody is going to question Israel even if they have the means to kill us all.

And they own and control the media. All of it. Every bit of information we all receive is created by them and chosen by them. We only know what they want us to know. We only see what they want us to see.

What means wouldn't they go through to get what they want? There are none.

So ask yourself Israel fans, those of you who think Israel is your friend: Why do they want a war between Iran and the USA? Why do they want to destroy Iran as has been done to all of their neighboring countrys? Whats in it for them? Whats in it for you?
And what did Iran ever do to you?

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Meester, would you believe my mind was such a prison of manipulation that I actually used to fling the anti-Semite card to show what a patriotic American I was? I might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer now but what a confused retard I was back then. That was back in the day when I thought the Catholic Church was being set up and wasn't chocked full of child rapists either.

 

[xfire]

I don't dislike everything about Tucker, just the lies, shilling, misogyny, and other terrible things he's repeatedly done over the years. To wit:

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

I don't dislike everything about Tucker, just the lies, shilling, misogyny, and other terrible things he's repeatedly done over the years.

I admit he did turn into bit of a company boy in his last remark. I thought what was said before that was good especially when you consider which crowd he was speaking to.

CARLSON: And the people agitating for it right now -- MSNBC, CNN, Max Boot, Bill Kristol -- the usual suspects, none of whom have the country's interests at heart, I would argue. I mean, it's chilling.

 

[meesterperfect]

Meester, would you believe my mind was such a prison of manipulation that I actually used to fling the anti-Semite card to show what a patriotic American I was? I might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer now but what a confused retard I was back then. That was back in the day when I thought the Catholic Church was being set up and wasn't chocked full of child rapists either.

We all were. I wish I woke up when Building 7 went down on 9/11/2001

Still my favorite Tucker moment with Dominick Tullipso

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

We all were. I wish I woke up when Building 7 went down on 9/11/2001

Still my favorite Tucker moment with Dominick Tullipso

Vintage Tucker, for sure. I remember.

Dominic is still fighting the good fight on the Twitter. I wish he'd sign up for this shithole too.

https://twitter.com/dominictullipso?lang=en

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

 

[meesterperfect]

I questioned every one of those gas attacks and was called crazy by the usual ones here.
I came to the conclusion that some were either false flag attacks and some were completely fake.
Called crazy.

I've said many times exactly what Gabbard just said about Syria and Iran.
And for her to come out and directly say these wars only benefit israel and saudi true and brave on her part because you can't question israel. If you do they call you a certain compound word.

 

[meesterperfect]

Dino notice in the discussion Tucky said the gas attacks seemed suspicious and he even mentioned how quick the US GOV and its media "knew" who did it? He questions how they would know so fast.
But then he leaves it at that.
Simple reasoning would be that the only way was if they did it themselves.
Its the only possibility.
So they are either gassing people including children or they are staging fake gassings.
I think both. The earlier ones were real murders and the later ones were staged.
Its something though how Tucker puts it out there but doesn't follow through with the possible possibilities.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Tucker does walk the point to a certain level and then stops short. I also was skeptical about Assad being blamed for launching the gas attacks. It didn’t make sense. Seemed like things were going well enough for him and his military. Why would he do something so stupid to bring such harsh consequences upon himself at the time? Who benefited the most from there being a gas attack? I’m fairly certain Iran, Assad, and even Hezbollah are against ISIS and Al Qaeda. I can’t say the same thing about USA, Israel, or Saudi Arabia.

I don’t know if I’d ever actually vote for Tulsi Gabbard but the gal has more balls to speak her mind and the truth about the deceptive shenanigans we’re pulling in the Middle East than the rest of the clown car full of buffoons running against her.

When Trump was running for President he told AIPAC that he didn’t want their money and that Marco Rubio was Sheldon’s Adelson’s whore. What happened to all that America First stuff? If Trump is a Nationalist then who’s nation’s interest is he serving?

As far as a war with Iran goes let the Israelis and Saudis do their own dirty work instead of continuing to corrupt our politicians and conniving us to do the fighting for them. With friends like them who needs enemies?

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

 

[meesterperfect]

Tucker does walk the point to a certain level and then stops short. I also was skeptical about Assad being blamed for launching the gas attacks. It didn’t make sense. Seemed like things were going well enough for him and his military. Why would he do something so stupid to bring such harsh consequences upon himself at the time? Who benefited the most from there being a gas attack? I’m fairly certain Iran, Assad, and even Hezbollah are against ISIS and Al Qaeda. I can’t say the same thing about USA, Israel, or Saudi Arabia.

I don’t know if I’d ever actually vote for Tulsi Gabbard but the gal has more balls to speak her mind and the truth about the deceptive shenanigans we’re pulling in the Middle East than the rest of the clown car full of buffoons running against her.

When Trump was running for President he told AIPAC that he didn’t want their money and that Marco Rubio was Sheldon’s Adelson’s whore. What happened to all that America First stuff? If Trump is a Nationalist then who’s nation’s interest is he serving?

As far as a war with Iran goes let the Israelis and Saudis do their own dirty work instead of continuing to corrupt our politicians and conniving us to do the fighting for them. With friends like them who needs enemies?

Thats all true. Well said.
Again I'll say that Trump is an actor just like Obama was.
Bush's , Clintons they are part of the criminals who run things.
By "choosing" Trump as PREZ they could do all the same things they would have done if Hiliary was PREZ, but with Trump they could distract us with a scripted reality show........which is exactly what they are doing.
In order to win she had to lose. Most people just can't accept this let alone understand it.

Just like this clip with Tucker and Gabbard. The only possible conclusion is that it was Israel and the US either doing actual gas attacks or staging them. I know for sure the most recent one was fake.
This should be huge news. This should be the biggest story out there.
But the media is fake and are in on it.
People confronted with the fact that their government is doing false flag attacks and possibly murdering children should be very upset.
Instead they crawl back into their box and close their eyes and cover their ears. They can't handle the truth. Easier to go on pretending.

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Is that real? And what meeting?

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Is that real? And what meeting?

It's a real tweet but Netanyahu deleted it. I don't know what meeting or the details but it did come straight from him.

This too. Crisis initiation...

The Washington Institute for Near East Policy

The organization has been criticized for having strong ties to the pro-Israel lobbying group AIPAC and for being founded by a former AIPAC employee.

Several current and former members of WINEP have served in senior positions in the administrations of presidents George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama.