To the girls do you enjoy watching gay porn like guys enjoy lesbo porn?

[LukeEl]

I am still waiting for modern household appliences getting it on like in the Beck video.

 

[ralph furley]

The L Chat has a thread about this. some lesbians actually do like gay porn

 

[TrueTranssexual]

Most women, just like men, are raised with the idea that male on male is "gross" and women on women is more beautiful and acceptable. Of course, this is only for the benefit straight men. I've even seen bisexual women that refuse to date bisexual men for this same reason.
Most people just go along with what society tells them they should like or shouldn't and don't question it.

 

[Deepcover]

Lesbian porn is erotic yet overrated, too many followers but I guess lesbian porn or lesbian softcore--the studios(and independent studios) make a lot of money in the genre.

Good thread

 

[Hot Mega]

Most women, just like men, are raised with the idea that male on male is "gross" and women on women is more beautiful and acceptable. Of course, this is only for the benefit straight men. I've even seen bisexual women that refuse to date bisexual men for this same reason.
Most people just go along with what society tells them they should like or shouldn't and don't question it.

No one is raised that way.

IMO the average person sees sharp distinctions between f/f and m/m because of the accepted nature of femininity. For example, open displays of affection exceeding what average, straight men would do between two straight women with no eroticism attached whatsoever are instinctively acceptable to men and women alike because we view it as a natural tendency of femininity.

It is naturally far more acceptable for women to openly remark about another woman's beauty or attractiveness because IMO we instinctively see this as a natural tendency of femininity.

In short, people generally and probably rightly just don't see women and men the same for obvious reasons but when it comes to what we accept of femininity. And it's not equal to seeing women lesser or subservient either.

Accepting lesbian sex is just a natural extension of accepting or even appreciating aspects of femininity IMO.

 

[TrueTranssexual]

No one is raised that way.

IMO the average person sees sharp distinctions between f/f and m/m because of the accepted nature of femininity. For example, open displays of affection between two straight women with no eroticism attached whatsoever are instinctively acceptable to men and women alike because we view it as a natural tendency of femininity.

It is naturally far more acceptable for women to openly remark about another woman's beauty or attractiveness because IMO we instinctively see this as a natural tendency of femininity.

In short, people generally and probably rightly just don't see women and men the same for obvious reasons but when it comes to what we accept of femininity. And it's not equal to seeing women lesser or subservient either.

Sorry, but IMO this is bullshit. Since very young **** are taught what gender roles are acceptable for their sex, and which are not. Young boys that display any kind of non-sexual affection towards other boys are frawn upon, while people turn a blind eye to girl on girl affection. Of course, for you as straight men this is very convenient and attractive, but don't try to twist it as for it to be a natural disposition, when it's obviously culturally influenced.
Aside, not all women are "feminine." And not all men are "masculine."


IMO, two unattractive persons of whatever sex having sex is gross...two very attractive persons having sex, even same sex, is not gross. IMO

 

[Hot Mega]

Sorry, but IMO this is bullshit. Since very young **** are taught what gender roles are acceptable for their sex, and which are not. Young boys that display any kind of non-sexual affection towards other boys are frawn upon, while people turn a blind eye to girl on girl affection. Of course, for you as straight men this is very convenient and attractive, but don't try to twist it as for it to be a natural disposition, when it's obviously culturally influenced.
Aside, not all women are "feminine." And not all men are "masculine."


IMO, two unattractive persons of whatever sex having sex is gross...two very attractive persons having sex, even same sex, is not gross. IMO

Sorry, we just disagree. I can't think of any circumstance outside of maybe lesbo 'marriages' where any ***** is cultivated in ANY sense to see lesbianism as acceptable. If that is the case why do lesbos have just as hard a time 'coming out' as gays in the overwhelming majority of societies??

Like I said, it more than likely has to do with our (the average persons) natural inclinations and views towards women and what we naturally tend to accept of femininity. The average person is male or female is just inclined to see beauty in femininity no matter the circumstance.

However, there are few words for how ...uh, 'unrealistic' your position is.:1orglaugh

PS. All women needn't be feminine nor all men need be masculine in order for my position to be practical. In fact, that fact supports my position when you think about it..

Well, don't think about it. I'll tell you exactly what I mean.

While lesbian sex is generally palatable for men and women, butch-dyke sex generally isn't. IMO because the average person is turned off by the masculinity or more to the point, the lack of any femininity in it. I don't even think lipstick lesbos even like watching butch stuff.

I could go on but you either accept the premise by now or not and it's just one opinion.

 

[TrueTranssexual]

Sorry, we just disagree. I can't think of any circumstance outside of maybe lesbo 'marriages' where any ***** is cultivated in ANY sense to see lesbianism as acceptable. If that is the case why do lesbos have just as hard a time 'coming out' as gays in the overwhelming majority of societies??

The fact that women have more liberties when it comes to exploring sexuality, displaying affection to other woman in ways that would be considered homoerotic between men is what makes it more acceptable. Bisexuality is almost expected in women nowdays.

Like I said, it more than likely has to do with our (the average persons) natural inclinations and views towards women and what we naturally tend to accept of femininity. The average person is male or female is just inclined to see beauty in femininity no matter the circumstance.

Your use of the word natural is quite bizarre. It's SOCIETY that shapes up how we view and treat women, and what is appropiate behavior for women. Anyone that challenges this rules is looked down upon, by the sheep who just follow the rules without questioning them.

However, there are few words for how ...uh, 'unrealistic' your position is.:1orglaugh


PS. All women needn't be feminine nor all men need be masculine in order for my position to be practical. In fact, that fact supports my position when you think about it..

Well, don't think about it. I'll tell you exactly what I mean.

While lesbian sex is generally palatable for men and women, butch-dyke sex generally isn't. IMO because the average person is turned off by the masculinity or more to the point, the lack of any femininity in it. I don't even think lipstick lesbos even like watching butch stuff.

I could go on but you either accept the premise by now or not and it's just one opinion.

To gynephiles such as you, butch dyke sex isn't plateble, but I'm not sure if you can speak for most women here. Just as there are gynephiles (attracted to feminine form), there has to be androphiles (attracted to masculine form) for attraction between opposite sexes to exist. What you are suggesting is that everybody is a gynephile by nature..which is simply not the case.

Furthemore it is society that asserts what what is feminine and what is not.
If a woman has a short haircut, doesn't wear makeup or stereotypically feminine clothing, she is considered butch. That's a cultural opinion, not necessary based on nature. Men can grow hair as well, wear makeup, etc...in fact the first high heels (considered very feminine by our society) was worn by a man. So go figure.

And how can you explain that in ancient Greek society, male on male sexual beahaviour was not considered "gross" and was actually encouraged??? If it is only natural to find it "gross." Please!:1orglaugh

It's society honey, not nature. Nature loves diversity, society not so much.

 

[Justanothergirl]

I actually do not like either - if I am going to watch porn, straight porn all the way!

 

[TrueTranssexual]

I actually only like MF porn and Shemale porn in which the tgirl is only submissive. Nothing else.

 

[TheOrangeCat]

Here's the rub.

Choice A:



Choice B:



NO contest.

Case closed.

 

[Hot Mega]

The fact that women have more liberties when it comes to exploring sexuality, displaying affection to other woman in ways that would be considered homoerotic between men is what makes it more acceptable. Bisexuality is almost expected in women nowdays.


Your use of the word natural is quite bizarre. It's SOCIETY that shapes up how we view and treat women, and what is appropiate behavior for women. Anyone that challenges this rules is looked down upon, by the sheep who just follow the rules without questioning them.

To gynephiles such as you, butch dyke sex isn't plateble, but I'm not sure if you can speak for most women here. Just as there are gynephiles (attracted to feminine form), there has to be androphiles (attracted to masculine form) for attraction between opposite sexes to exist. What you are suggesting is that everybody is a gynephile by nature..which is simply not the case.

Furthemore it is society that asserts what what is feminine and what is not.
If a woman has a short haircut, doesn't wear makeup or stereotypically feminine clothing, she is considered butch. That's a cultural opinion, not necessary based on nature. Men can grow hair as well, wear makeup, etc...in fact the first high heels (considered very feminine by our society) was worn by a man. So go figure.

And how can you explain that in ancient Greek society, male on male sexual beahaviour was not considered "gross" and was actually encouraged??? If it is only natural to find it "gross." Please!:1orglaugh

It's society honey, not nature. Nature loves diversity, society not so much.

Not sure what a gynephile is supposed to mean but if it's good then yeah, I'm that...:hatsoff:

First I will confess I didn't read very well which way you were fixing to go in your previous post. I responded to what I thought it appeared to say as opposed to what it was actually saying. My apologies.

Really, I'm not as versed on the subject as you undoubtedly are. I have no understanding of what supposedly occurred historically in Greece in this regard.

I won't pretend to be an expert on the tendencies of how and why people view things the way they do in terms of their tastes. I accept that people are raised to view females one way and males another way but I disagree with extended that natural circumstance to some notion that lesbian acceptance is propagated through the way ******** are raised. That is a gargantuan leap if you ask me.

Re: Nature, societies and diversity. Neither nature nor society loves it..Diversity as it relates to things is the simple result of anomalies and imperfections to a base formula.:dunno:

To the point of the thread...As a straight man, I love watching lesbo porn. The feminine sensuality transcends looking at it as per se lesbianism for me and I don't really see it as lesbians performing it. Especially when I know the chicks in the scenes fuck guys just as good or better as they fuck chicks. But I have no clue how straight women feel about watching two dudes get it on.

 

[squallumz]

 

[TrueTranssexual]

Not sure what a gynephile is supposed to mean but if it's good then yeah, I'm that...:hatsoff:

First I will confess I didn't read very well which way you were fixing to go in your previous post. I responded to what I thought it appeared to say as opposed to what it was actually saying. My apologies.

Really, I'm not as versed on the subject as you undoubtedly are. I have no understanding of what supposedly occurred historically in Greece in this regard.

I won't pretend to be an expert on the tendencies of how and why people view things the way they do in terms of their tastes. I accept that people are raised to view females one way and males another way but I disagree with extended that natural circumstance to some notion that lesbian acceptance is propagated through the way ******** are raised. That is a gargantuan leap if you ask me.

To the point of the thread...As a straight man, I love watching lesbo porn. The feminine sensuality transcends looking at it as per se lesbianism for me and I don't really see it as lesbians performing it. Especially when I know the chicks in the scenes fuck guys just as good or better as they fuck chicks. But I have no clue how straight women feel about watching two dudes get it on.

Not only is [female same sex sexual behavior (not the same as having a lesbian lifestyle)] acceptance propagated through the way we raise ********, but so is sexism/mysogyny, racism, homophobia, etc.... I guess this is natural inclinations to you as well, not culturally influenced.
Sometime I think you cannot see further than your nose or are just too naive...and I am not trying to be offensive. Just constructive criticism.

Re: Nature, societies and diversity. Neither nature nor society loves it..Diversity as it relates to things is the simple result of anomalies and imperfections to a base formula.:dunno:

Are you serious????????????????????

 

[SpexyAshleigh]

I find m/m gay porn to be hotter than f/f gay porn and even straight m/f porn. But I'm dominant by nature and enjoy seeing a man sucking dick and taking it up the ass, so it kind of feeds into alot of my preferences and fantasies. I'm sure most women would still prefer seeing two girls going at it than two dudes.

 

[Hot Mega]

Not only is [female same sex sexual behavior (not the same as having a lesbian lifestyle)] acceptance propagated through the way we raise ********, but so is sexism/mysogyny, racism, homophobia, etc.... I guess this is natural inclinations to you as well, not culturally influenced.
Sometime I think you cannot see further than your nose or are just too naive...and I am not trying to be offensive. Just constructive criticism.

If you think raising different sexes distinctly is some artificial, man made construct and not the product of a reality designed quite naturally to usher females into womanhood and males into manhood...then I rest my case.

:dunno::hatsoff:

Are you serious????????????????????

Yeah, I am. To what do you attribute it??

I find m/m gay porn to be hotter than f/f gay porn and even straight m/f porn. But I'm dominant by nature and enjoy seeing a man sucking dick and taking it up the ass, so it kind of feeds into alot of my preferences and fantasies. I'm sure most women would still prefer seeing two girls going at it than two dudes.

That said, you'd still do a girl "stunner" wouldn't ya?? :tongue:

 

[TrueTranssexual]

If you think raising different sexes distinctly is some artificial, man made construct and not the product of a reality designed quite naturally to usher females into womanhood and males into manhood...then I rest my case.

:dunno::hatsoff:




Yeah, I am. To what do you attribute it??



That said, you'd still do a girl "stunner" wouldn't ya?? :tongue:

Yes, you should rest your case, because you have no case. Manhood and womanhood are both social contructs. That many of this ideas are based on biological factors is true, but that doesn't negate the fact that is a social contruct. And very often this cultural ideas about the roles of men and women results in mysogyny. But most women are perfectly fine with it, and even raise their ******** according to this beliefs, so no need to debate that aspect.

As for nature....maybe if you just go outside of the cave for a minute and just look around...and come back and tell me that nature doesn't encourage diversity.

 

[Hot Mega]

Yes, you should rest your case, because you have no case. Manhood and womanhood are both social contructs. That many of this ideas are based on biological factors is true, but that doesn't negate the fact that is a social contruct. And very often this cultural ideas about the roles of men and women results in mysogyny. But most women are perfectly fine with it, and even raise their ******** according to this beliefs, so no need to debate that aspect.

Anyone with an iota of common sense knows it is a social construct. The questions are; whether this construct is an artificial creation of conscious man or the product of innate, instinctual human behavior?

That answer should be overwhelming obvious to anyone with a brain when you consider the fact that human males (for obvious, natural reasons) were to interact with human females differently (and vice versa) by design.

'But I digress..'

As for nature....maybe if you just go outside of the cave for a minute and just look around...and come back and tell me that nature doesn't encourage diversity.

Okay...been outside and the weather's fine. Nature doesn't 'encourage' diversity. In some cases 'diversity' is a byproduct of anomalies within a biological formula, in others it's the product of condition based evolution. In either case, nature is dispassionate about it. Now care to offer your explanation?

 

[TrueTranssexual]

Anyone with an iota of common sense knows it is a social construct. The questions are; whether this construct is an artificial creation of conscious man or the product of innate, instinctual human behavior?


That answer should be overwhelming obvious to anyone with a brain when you consider the fact that human males (for obvious, natural reasons) were to interact with human females differently (and vice versa) by design.

Umm, thank you for basically saying that those who share those beliefs are basically primates, that just like cavemen, behave and mold the society according to their instincts.

What differentiates us from other ******* is having a conscious mind, where we can examine ideas, and even repress instincts that are not socially constructive. It could be argued that ******* is a natural instinct, but is it humane?? If a social construct results in a double standard, it doesn't matter if it has some imagined basis on biology or not. We as humans are above that.

And just because males and females were made to interact sexually for reproductive purposes, does it necessary translates into pink is for girls and blue is for boys BS? And other stupid gender roles that are exaggerated on the basis of biology?

'But I digress..'



Okay...been outside and the weather's fine. Nature doesn't 'encourage' diversity. In some cases 'diversity' is a byproduct of anomalies within a biological formula, in others it's the product of condition based evolution. In either case, nature is dispassionate about it. Now care to offer your explanation?

Last time I checked, and only mentioning our specie: homosapien.

We have
Negroids, Mongoloids, Caucasians (Nordic/Alpine/Mediterranean), Australoids
Blondes, Brunettes, Redheads, with all different combinations of eye colors
High IQ, Average, Dumb!
Tall, Average, Short
Fat, Thin, Fit
gay, lesbian, straight, bisexual
big breasted, small-breasted women, etc.
every individual is basically different, which is only emblematic of diversity.


So if this is not an example of diversity, what is? If diversity was the byproduct of anomalies, then nature seems to be encouraging this anomalies to no end.

"nature is dispassionate about it."
DUHHH!!! Since when nature has its own set of ideas, like a human has? If you take metaphors given literally, you have a comprehension issue IMO.

 

[Deepcover]

I find m/m gay porn to be hotter than f/f gay porn and even straight m/f porn. But I'm dominant by nature and enjoy seeing a man sucking dick and taking it up the ass, so it kind of feeds into alot of my preferences and fantasies. I'm sure most women would still prefer seeing two girls going at it than two dudes.

Hey I'm starting to like you...