The Violence of the Global

[Spud Crowley]

I often wonder if complacent tactics just spur from a countenance to action. Although I haven't read it, from the title I can assume that a similar idea is the thesis of ward Churchill's book Pacifism As Pathology.

I think that many people in the first world nations aren't entirely ignorant of the damages of globalization and that is why we have and have had many people that resisted it in part, the largest were the varying groups of the 1960's Hippie and beatnik movement, and more commercial types that consider themselves to be Environmentalist today.

just today a radical politik friend of mine quoted the old idealistic expression, "when the power of love overcomes the love of power, we will have peace." I don't know about you, but it seems to me that it doesn't have much of a chance. the power of positive thinking aka. using your imagination rarely takes effect over the real world.

I think that even though some of them are aware of it (and perhaps some are ignorant as well), the notion of the spread of globalism (as we are calling it here, but it's equally interchangeable with expressions like capitalism, industrialization, civilization, etc.)that is achieved foremost by violent means doesn't really resonate with them. Clearly because they do not experience this violence.

Pacifism as Pathology is a great book.

I'd like to think that if people experienced the violence more directly they'd resist more, but there are a lot of examples throughout history of people being passive even in the face of violence. I think we need to analyze the emotional and relational deficiences in modern life that go beyond simple lack of experiencing violence. we need to raise the question max weber once raised about the "disenchantment of reality" that was ushered in by the "iron cage of rationality" at the core of the modern world.

 

[Spud Crowley]

I just read it, he makes some good points.

:1orglaugh thanks.

 

[calpoon]

we need to raise the question max weber once raised about the "disenchantment of reality" that was ushered in by the "iron cage of rationality" at the core of the modern world.

haven't read it. what was the question?

 

[Spud Crowley]

There are groups of people that do experience this violence firsthand, and we've been discussing their violence a bit here lately.

By that I mean gang violence and other typical poor urbanized types of crime.

But thanks to the successful media propaganda machine their rage is almost always misplaced and petty, instead of being revolutionary in nature.

the lumpen-proletariat, in marxist terminology. that's one of the things the black panthers were trying to do, form alliances with the potentially revolutionary lumpens. that obviously scarred the shit out of the white establishment and the rest is history as Ward Churchill documents in his book Agents of Repression: The FBI's Secret War Against the American Indian Movement and the Black Panther Party.

 

[Facial_King]

the lumpen-proletariat, in marxist terminology. that's one of the things the black panthers were trying to do, form alliances with the potentially revolutionary lumpens. that obviously scarred the shit out of the white establishment and the rest is history as Ward Churchill documents in his book Agents of Repression: The FBI's Secret War Against the American Indian Movement and the Black Panther Party.

You've brought up Ward Churchill now, too?? THAT certainly won't make you many new friends here, I'm guessing.

Anyway, I've perused the whole thread here - plenty of impolite behavior from everyone involved - and I'm now digging into the Baudrillard....
later.

 

[Spud Crowley]

haven't read it. what was the question?

i just meant that he questioned the whole set up of modern mass society as it displaced more traditional forms of community. the disenchantment of reality can be seen as relating to the entrenchment of the scientific worldview that has come to dominate industrialized society. a deeper connection to emotion, instinct and the non-rational in general is what i believe will save us from the terror of globalization. nature is our guide, we just don't listen. i don't believe these things are predicated upon us experiencing violence directly, although it is very hard to get people to see the appeal in largely abandoning the "iron cage of rationality."

 

[Spud Crowley]

You've brought up Ward Churchill now, too?? THAT certainly won't make you many new friends here, I'm guessing.

him and baudrillard have a lot in common. they were the two most thorough critics of the dominant discourse about 9-11, and they both are two of the more perceptive thinkers about the connections between the domination of people and nature by the system. baudrillard is now dead and churchill has been even further exiled from society then he already was before the "little eichmanns" media barrage.

 

[calpoon]

You've brought up Ward Churchill now, too?? THAT certainly won't make you many new friends here, I'm guessing.

Actually I was the one who brought him up. I have previously done so also. I can see why a lot of people would feel animosity towards him. I don't profess to love or hate the guy. Really, I don't hate anyone just for having disagreeable ideas, but on the basis for how they live their life. You can't really slag the guy on that. No matter, I don' think that you can dismiss him as totally invalid. His quote supported what I wanted to say, so that works for me.

 

[senob44]

Seems you found your discussion, Mr. Crowley. I just don't care much for philosophy. Despite my jokes, I actually did initially try and read the original post and I just didn't like it. I still think it wasn't the best idea to post a lengthy philosophical read on a porn board, but I'm actually glad that some fellow members have found it interesting. I apologize for being critical of your post, and I would hope that you could apologize for being condescending to the membership here and our normal topics. (As for the grammar nazi stuff, we only attacked you on that because it is in the board rules.) After all, many of us do not come here to exercise our brains. We do that at our jobs and we come here just to relax. Philosophy is a dry subject to so many of us that it can often seem like a waste of time. Especially when some of us lend our opinions here, and in your other thread, only to be quickly dismissed by you. Do you really think that makes anyone want to discuss philosophy with you when you ridicule our choices for favorite philosophers? Different people have different opinions and they are not always going to match yours. I think a lot of us when asked to "Name our favorite philosophers" did not realize that we were getting into a debate.

Mind you, this of course bumps this thread to the top. I would have sent you a PM but I think this subject is at least better than half of what is on here and it would be nice I daresay to have some more discussion on here as the critiques have not been as dry as the original post, and I have enjoyed reading them.