the TPP, destroying the american worker or a boost to business

Freshmen in Congress Say No to Secret Trade Negotiations

June 19, 2013


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What if the controversy raging over the National Security Agency’s surveillance of domestic phone calls is overshadowing an abuse of privacy that could undermine our nation’s democracy in a myriad of ways that the NSA spying never could?
The Obama administration’s mostly secret negotiation over the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a new trade agreement, carries just that threat.

Opposition to the proposed agreement is building to an agreement that would govern trade between the U.S. and 10 other countries, including Japan, Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam.

A growing group of Americans and political leaders hold that the TPP could not just put American jobs in jeopardy like the North American Free Trade Agreement, but would give big corporations even more power at the expense of average citizens. The TPP, they say, would give corporations the enhanced ability to successfully sue state and municipal governments virtually any time they act to protect citizens’ in areas like food and workplace safety, environmental health or demand reasonable actions by companies in return for tax breaks and other incentives.

On June 11, 36 freshman House Democrats sent a letter to Rep. Sander Levin (D – Mich.) the senior Democratic member of the Ways and Means Committee calling for more transparency in negotiations over TPP.

Congressional representatives also stated that they were opposed to granting President Obama (or any president) “fast track” authority to negotiate agreements leaving Congress with only an up or down vote on trade agreements. Fast track authority has been commonly granted in years going back to the Nixon administration.

President Obama, who is hoping to conclude negotiations on the TPP by October, says the trade agreement will bolster our nation’s ability to compete with China. While the voices of average citizens are missing in the TPP negotiations, 600 so-called “trade advisors” are on the inside of the talks and they overwhelmingly represent big business.

Labor activists and Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch are warning that an agreement negotiated outside of the public realm could deepen some of the same problems that have resulted in the loss of 700,000 American jobs since the signing of Nafta 1994 during the Clinton administration.

In remarks on June 15 to Democratic activists in Pennsylvania’s 12th Congressional District, Third District International Vice President Don Siegel outlined the need to fight for open negotiations on the TPP. “There’s an old saying that experience enables you to recognize a mistake every time you repeat it,” said Siegel, who also discussed the 2011 shutdown of Philips IBEW-organized lighting fixture plant in Sparta, Tenn.

Philips sent production to Mexico, said Siegel, in yet another example of Nafta’s threat to jobs that has resulted in unemployment and more social problems in Tennessee. More than 100 other manufacturing plants in the region surrounding Sparta have shut down, with production outsourced to Mexico and Asia.

Citing polls that show broad consensus among Americans of all political persuasions opposed to unfair trade agreements, International President Edwin D. Hill expressed hope that activists could influence the negotiations over the TPP with the goal of winning “for once in our lives, the negotiation of a fair agreement that truly lifts up the standard of living in participating nations and rejects the Nafta model.”

That means, says Hill, negotiating an agreement that would support collective bargaining rights and prevent countries from joining the TPP until they have met certain human and labor standards. And it would mean defeating proposals said to be part of the TPP that would further weaken regulation of Wall Street financial firms, pharmaceutical companies and make it even harder to keep more U.S. companies from outsourcing their production. Only five of 29 sections in TPP actually focus on trade. The remainder deals with “harmonizing” regulations between nations and other similar subjects.

Seattle Local 46 took a leading role in pushing Democratic Rep. Jim McDermott, who normally supports “free” trade agreements, to support changes in the TPP. In a newsletter from the Washington Fair Trade Coalition, Shannon Hagen, a Local 46 business representative and organizer, said: “… Make no mistake—our intention is to STOP the TPP! … to create a conversation, to start actually demanding the accountability we all talk about but never get from our politicians, to get REAL measurable actions from our elected officials. For us as a body to elect leaders that lead, not just follow.”

Recently Seattle activists they showed up at a jobs fair sponsored by Republican Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler, which included low-wage employers like Wal-Mart and McDonald’s. They told the mainstream and social media that—rather than pushing low-wage jobs, the member of Congress should spend her time stopping another NAFTA.

Calling for more public exposure of the secrecy surrounding the TPP, President Hill said, “If we ever doubt the potential potency and drama surrounding trade or the breadth of the coalition of which we are a part, just remember the Battle of Seattle, the Miami actions against the Free Trade Ares of the Americas or the worldwide protests against every trade agreement that has taken from the people and given to the corporations.”
 
I believe it is the most damning piece of legislature to the American worker since NAFTA or the bush off-shoring tax break
 
You think that's bad, Britains espionage agencies contracted their comms out to... wait for it... Huawei! A Chinese company. Good job the Chinese don't make a habbit of hacking other countries and can be completely trusted with information...
 

Supafly

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By pushing as he does for this specific piece of shady legislationj, President Obama caused me to throw out of the window past approving notices. He sadly is no more the president he was voted as, he is rather the opposite now. Unless he decides to lay open the trade papers for the public to see. Which won't happen.

The Fly nominates the POTUS as AHOTY
 
There is hope yet for The Fly.
 

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The Fly sees being an extremist wing nut as a choice career which demands constant revaluation of its own terms and conditions. If that means accepgting to see that Mister Stompy Foot has become what Ze Boobtoucher say, so be it.

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Blue Countach again.

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By pushing as he does for this specific piece of shady legislationj, President Obama caused me to throw out of the window past approving notices. He sadly is no more the president he was voted as, he is rather the opposite now. Unless he decides to lay open the trade papers for the public to see. Which won't happen.
The Fly nominates the POTUS as AHOTY

It will be open to the public, however it will be such a short time period which will probably hinder a ground swell of opposition to develop.
 

Supafly

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Bernie Sanders is explaining very explicitely how crazy the situation regarding TTP and TTIP transparency right now is.

 
But wait....I thought that Obama is a hardcore leftist socialist??????????????? Do you mean Hannity and Rush and Coulter and Palin are wrong?????? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if he indeed a socialist he's the worst one in the history of the world.

Smokers Penalties

ACA

His administration releasing papers calling conservative groups " potential terrorists"


Americans can now be detained indefinitely by the military while awaiting trial.

Increased aircraft surveillance of average Americans

His support for Socialist goverment elsewhere

Promise to give E. Jerusalem to the Palestinians


I bet you are clueless about the sophisticated Trapwire grid that Obama wants implemented in almost every major city. Google it.

At least 5 members of his administration have openly voiced admiration for communist regimes and lauding Mao.
All of these can be verified and not some Fox News talking points and fabrications.
Yeah he is a regular Wiliam F. Buckley that Obama is.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
I just found out that both my Rep and the Senator I wanted to keep for his work the Senate Intelligence Comittee both voted for the TPA, aka Fast Track. While I see legitimate reasons for the TPA, its current conjunction with the TPP means this is a red line for me and I'll be voting for a clean slate come next year.

For those who are confused:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-15/from-tpa-to-tpp-a-trade-deal-explainer

For those who are concerned as well as those who aren't, but should be (i.e., everyone):
I’ve Read Obama’s Secret Trade Deal. Elizabeth Warren Is Right to Be Concerned.
I’ve actually read the TPP text provided to the government’s own advisors, and I’ve given the president an earful about how this trade deal will damage this nation. But I can’t share my criticisms with you.

I can tell you that Elizabeth Warren is right about her criticism of the trade deal. We should be very concerned about what's hidden in this trade deal—and particularly how the Obama administration is keeping information secret even from those of us who are supposed to provide advice.

Another essay on the topic, including a 'Wall of Shame' for those Senators/Reps that voted for the TPA:
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/tpp-dead-what-does-hillary-think-5763

If you still think the TPP might be a good idea after all that, google 'investor-state dispute settlement'. That should settle that.
 
So what that he supports countries that are socialist? Many of those countries are doing far better than we are in economy, quality of life for their citizens, education, literacy rates, quality of health care, infrastructure and their governments actually represent the people that live there. Your party supports (publicly) Saudi Arabia and it gets no worse than them when it comes to human rights yet that doesn't seem to bother anyone on your side. Why is that?

and as far as this one "Americans can now be detained indefinitely by the military while awaiting trial." you need to dig a little on that one dude because that shit started when he was a community organizer under Bush / Cheney. And many of those right wing extremist groups aka militias could very easily be considered candidates to do something radical. If you think he's the first one to watch opposition groups that stockpile guns and talk about war against the government you're insane. As you know ANY threat made in regards to a president or member of congress / senators is required to be investigated by the secret service. There have been record death threats since he took office and 100% of the racial anger about him have come from YOUR party.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I just found out that both my Rep and the Senator I wanted to keep for his work the Senate Intelligence Comittee both voted for the TPA, aka Fast Track. While I see legitimate reasons for the TPA, its current conjunction with the TPP means this is a red line for me and I'll be voting for a clean slate come next year.

For those who are confused:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-15/from-tpa-to-tpp-a-trade-deal-explainer

For those who are concerned as well as those who aren't, but should be (i.e., everyone):
I’ve Read Obama’s Secret Trade Deal. Elizabeth Warren Is Right to Be Concerned.


Another essay on the topic, including a 'Wall of Shame' for those Senators/Reps that voted for the TPA:
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/tpp-dead-what-does-hillary-think-5763

If you still think the TPP might be a good idea after all that, google 'investor-state dispute settlement'. That should settle that.


Good links. Once the veil of secrecy was brought down around it, I figured there was something in there that wasn't meant for the people of this nation to see. I think we've already fallen for "just vote for it and then we'll tell you what's in it" one too many times.

I'm for fair free trade. But I'm opposed to free trade deals (that are shrouded in secrecy). And given some of his (politicized) claims recently, I'm not inclined to defer to the President when he says, "just trust me". Why hasn't he driven home the idea of tax credits for domestic small businesses... ya know, the ones who have no chance of shipping their operations and jobs overseas? The ones who are here and prepared to take up the fight on the home front? He could have won that fight four years ago, against even the GOPers who hated him with a passion. He could have painted them into a corner and forced their hands. But he has largely abandoned American small/medium business: the engine that powers our economy. And so, here we are, with the slowest peace time recovery in decades and a labor participation rate that is shameful.

I say let this trade deal die. My prediction is, the world will not come to an end and the sun will keep shining.
 

Luxman

#TRE45ON
All those movies about a dystopian future where everyone is a slave to corporate rule will soon be a total reality.
Democracy had a go, but it's slowly turning into Hypocrisy and will soon change to Corporatisn fueled by totalitarian monopolized capitalism.
Aka. greed, the root of all evil and most of our problems in the world.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013...ds-the-sovereignty-of-our-country-over-t.html
 
What is the problem. So many people whined about Congress being the party of "No". They supported Obabma's plans.

Perhaps only well placed "No"s are what people are after.
 
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