The Super Bowl flyover may have cost $450,000. Was it worth it?

The fans inside Cowboys Stadium for Super Bowl XLV had as good a view of the flyover by four F-18 fighter jets as those watching at home. With the roof closed on Jerry Jones' $1.2 billion stadium, people in attendance were forced to watch the flyover on the massive high-def screens inside.

A Dallas TV reporter estimated that the flyover cost the Navy a total of $450,000. His total includes gas, operational costs and air time for the four F-18s, which traveled from Virginia to Texas for the event. The Navy told CNBC that its official records only tallies the amount spent on gas, which came out to $109,000 for the Super Bowl flights.

Even if we call it somewhere in between, the Navy still spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money for a few seconds of camera time. It's like an old riddle: If four planes fly over a stadium and nobody insides sees, is it worth the cost?

Sally Jenkins of the Washington Post doesn't think so. In a column lambasting the excess of the Super Bowl, she wrote:

For absurdity, how about those four Navy F-18s flying over the stadium -- with its retractable roof closed? Everybody inside could only see the planes on the stadium's video screens. It was strictly a two-second beauty shot.

She's right on one level; for the people inside the stadium, the flyover was a waste. But who says the flyover is about the fans at the game? All the Super Bowl extravagance is geared toward those watching on television, not in attendance. The anthem singers, the halftime shows and the blimp shots are for the viewer at home.

Christina Aguilera isn't making a trip to Dallas to sing a two-minute song in front of 100,000 people. She's doing it for the 100 million watching at home. Game organizers don't get the Black Eyed Peas and the Rolling Stones and Janet Jackson and Prince to stage elaborate halftime shows because fans in section 538 crave them, they do them to entice the casual viewer watching FOX or CBS or NBC to stick around through the first half.

The justification for the flyover is similar. The Navy used the one on Sunday as a recruiting tool. Instead of spending $3 million on a 30-second commercial during the game, it spent $400,000 on a five-second advertisement that everybody watched. Why is it all right for Chrysler to get billions in bailout money and then buy a two-minute advertisement for around $10 million but not for the Navy to use a fraction of its budget to promote itself?

"These missions are included in the annual operating budget of all branches of the military and they are used as training," Mike Maus, deputy public affairs officer for the Naval Air Force's Atlantic division told CNBC. "There was no additional money provided to us, Congress did not cut us a special check to do this flyover. This is considered a training mission whether they were to fly over the Super Bowl or not."

Call it wasteful if you want, but there are far worse ways to spend taxpayer money than promotion of our nation's armed forces.

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We spend too much money on Defense, and if the Republicans are serious about cutting spending they will immediately go there.

Don't worry. They're not serious about cutting anything.

I would rather spend our tax money on improving the quality of life for all Americans. Infrastructure, Food safety, mass transit, Education (we need to overhaul not eliminate)...and many things...
 
Usually (in almost EVERY case) these flyovers are coordinated as part of some planned training exercise on the day of these games so it's effectively budget neutral.

Typically they just resched from one weekday to say, Sunday then have a normal training mission and just remove/add a maneuver to include a formation at x coordinates at x time. No biggie IMO.:dunno:

This story is almost in the same category as the Illinois 66 pct. tax hike story (yeah..the tax was going from 3 pct. to 5 pct.:eek::rolleyes::1orglaugh).

But I do love the, "they were forced to watch the flyover on massive hi-def screens inside" part (shielded from the inclement weather no doubt) What torture:crying:.
 
Usually (in almost EVERY case) these flyovers are coordinated as part of some planned training exercise on the day of these games so it's effectively budget neutral.

Typically they just resched from one weekday to say, Sunday then have a normal training mission and just remove/add a maneuver to include a formation at x coordinates at x time. No biggie IMO.:dunno:

No they are not. They are independently scheduled from the the flying week.
 
No they are not. They are independently scheduled from the the flying week.

Let's make sure we're not splitting hairs...these don't cost anything extra as they are virtually all (if not ALWAYS) part of some scheduled training and part of their budget.

This is pretty common knowledge but I know this from my range and TM days at DFR EAFB. There was always a mission scheduled on the 1st of January for example which included a formation over the Rose Bowl.
 
Usually (in almost EVERY case) these flyovers are coordinated as part of some planned training exercise on the day of these games so it's effectively budget neutral.

Ummm...sorry, that just sounds so flimsy as a justification. They have a couple of pilots fly in a strait line for a distance. Getting into formation is the only even remotely non-easy thing, and that isn't that tough for the way they are doing it. Most of the pilots could have easily done what they did before they even hopped into a fighter considering a lot of them piloted something else before. I wouldn't be surprised if they schedule flights like that in training just to give them an excuse to do sports flybys. It's not like they are doing critical dog fighting maneuvers or targeting exorcises. That sounds like somebody called them out on the wastefulness of it, and doing it as a freebee to some sports organization, and they had to use some quick garbage excuse and that's what they came up with. Not to mention if something does go wrong they are right over heavily populated area that will have a good chance of killing people, which is a really good reason why they don't do most of their training over where people live.

As far as it's effectiveness it might have been a cool thing...25 years ago. Now nobody gives a crap. Almost everybody forgets about it 3 seconds after it happens, and never cared about it even before then. They basically waste all that money to show off for no gain. Of course considering it's some military guy behind a desk that decides it that isn't a surprising thing.
 
Ummm...sorry, that just sounds so flimsy as a justification. They have a couple of pilots fly in a strait line for a distance. Getting into formation is the only even remotely non-easy thing, and that isn't that tough for the way they are doing it. Most of the pilots could have easily done what they did before they even hopped into a fighter considering a lot of them piloted something else before. I wouldn't be surprised if they schedule flights like that in training just to give them an excuse to do sports flybys. It's not like they are doing critical dog fighting maneuvers or targeting exorcises. That sounds like somebody called them out on the wastefulness of it, and doing it as a freebee to some sports organization, and they had to use some quick garbage excuse and that's what they came up with. Not to mention if something does go wrong they are right over heavily populated area that will have a good chance of killing people, which is a really good reason why they don't do most of their training over where people live.

As far as it's effectiveness it might have been a cool thing...25 years ago. Now nobody gives a crap. Almost everybody forgets about it 3 seconds after it happens, and never cared about it even before then. They basically waste all that money to show off for no gain. Of course considering it's some military guy behind a desk that decides it that isn't a surprising thing.

I'm not clear on about 80 pct. of what you're trying to get across or asserting above but in my direct knowledge of these things they are budgeted for and the maneuver is part of scheduled training or test flight ops for that day.

Point and bottom line is, the military isn't spending extra money to do these or donating these flights. They are essentially performing test/training flight ops in the area by design already then they merely go do the flyover at a specific time.

As far as what they get from from it....they use ALL public displays like this to enhance recruiting efforts and in many cases have military personnel at the event in the form of Color Guard and in some cases outright recruiters.:2 cents:
 
I think Mega the problem with your theory? is that these planes originated in Virginny and flew this "training mission" all the way to Texas? Meh. Seems a bit flimsy. Hell, that's too expensive a training op?!!!?!

I agree with Drock though. Do we need these flyovers anymore? Do we need to sing the National Anthem anymore at these events? All this military thrust down our throats and anthem singing might give visitors the idea that we're a communist country :shocked:
 
I think Mega the problem with your theory? is that these planes originated in Virginny and flew this "training mission" all the way to Texas? Meh. Seems a bit flimsy. Hell, that's too expensive a training op?!!!?!

I agree with Drock though. Do we need these flyovers anymore? Do we need to sing the National Anthem anymore at these events? All this military thrust down our throats and anthem singing might give visitors the idea that we're a communist country :shocked:

Well, you'd have know what the specific training op was. It's not a 'theory'...if these fighters flew from VA to TX I'm certain there was a specific reason.

Again, the bottom line is simply this these flights aren't donated nor does this call for some specific expenditure to the taxpayer as the story erroneously implies.

It's not about what we 'need' for games. These circumstances (military related) are partnerships based on requests made of the military in concert with the military's aims to display and heighten their image (advertise). Everyone else advertises during these events why shouldn't the military?

Even if it did cost the Navy half a million for this flyover (which I doubt and isn't extra anyway)....compare that to the almost 3 million a pop per 30 second spot regular product advertisers were paying.:cool:

BTW..this wasn't some gotcha then the military started fumbling out some excuse. This has been the case for decades with the military and their training/test flights and event flyovers. Trust me...the military is NOT just putting these aircraft in the sky JUST to flyover some stupid game or NASCAR race.:rolleyes:

It's not worth the safety and other concerns to do so.
 

Kingfisher

Here Zombie, Zombie, Zombie...
Flyover when the game is played in a dome.


Exactly! Retards. But they flew from Virgina, to Texas? So you're telling me Texas doesn't have any military aircraft there at all? Maybe the NFL should fork over the cost, I mean that's only like 10 tickets, right?
 
...I know this from my range and TM days at DFR EAFB.

What does this mean? What's TM days? What's DFR EAFB? :dunno:
I think someone asked you a similar question a while back but I didn't understand the answer you posted.
A nice, short and simple explanation would be perfect. :cool:
 
What does this mean? What's TM days? What's DFR EAFB? :dunno:
I think someone asked you a similar question a while back but I didn't understand the answer you posted.
A nice, short and simple explanation would be perfect. :cool:

I don't recall anyone asking me but; DFR(F)= NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility. EAFB=Edwards Air Force Base (CA). TM=telemetry and 'range' = test flight range.
 
I don't recall anyone asking me but; DFR(F)= NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility. EAFB=Edwards Air Force Base (CA). TM=telemetry and 'range' = test flight range.

I'm quite sure :georges: asked you a similar question some time back. Thanks for your reply. :hatsoff:
 
I'm quite sure :georges: asked you a similar question some time back. Thanks for your reply. :hatsoff:

I doubt it but maybe he did and I didn't see the question. But I'm not sure I've ever gotten that specific and beyond maybe talking about a guy who used to work for me at Edwards....have certainly never mentioned range or TM here...

I recall George mistakenly assuming I worked in law enforcement just because I mentioned a background in CQB/CQC and breaches....but his assumption was wrong as I don't nor have I ever worked in LE (LE isn't the only way you get experience with breaches and CQB :2 cents:).
 
It seems a bit silly to me. But when it comes to the NFL, most of the off-the-field stuff is over my head.


....no pun intended. ;)
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
The real stupid thing in all of this is that there were people in Dallas who actually thought building a domed stadium was a good idea.
 
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