The Avengers Movie

[maildude]

Well, we've had threads about the various Marvel comic movies and the upcoming Marvel comic movies...there's no doubt that consideration is brewing over a future Avengers movie chronicling the exploits of the super team. Especially if you bothered staying for the end of the credits following the Iron Man and recent Hulk movies. So...whaddya think? Here is some Avengers comic book history:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Avengers

 

[darkwarrior3007]

I'm excited but I think everybody on this board knows that. Seeing the deleted Captain America scene on the Incredible Hulk disc has me even more excited. If they do it right which it seems like they are then it will be an awesome movie. The First Avenger: Captain America also comes out the same year that The Avengers will be released and it will lead up to him being frozen in time for him to be found and thawed out in Avengers.

 

[maildude]

Problem is, Cappy wasn't an original Avenger. The original team was Iron Man, The Hulk, Thor, Ant Man and Wasp. Cap showed up after the Hulk left. I wonder how they'll deal with this?

 

[BlueBalls]

Didnt they already make an Avengers movie?

:dunno:

 

[tunsty]

Problem is, Cappy wasn't an original Avenger. The original team was Iron Man, The Hulk, Thor, Ant Man and Wasp. Cap showed up after the Hulk left. I wonder how they'll deal with this?

"Dear Mr Hulk,
As you are no doubt aware, there have been certain difficulties in maintaining our current levels of crimefighting and as of late, this has been causing us some concerns.
It is therefore with deep regret, that I have to inform you that your services will no longer be required.
I want to take this opportunity to thank you for all the 'smashing' work that you have done for us over the years.
I would be grateful if you could have your desk emptied by 5pm on Friday and return your purple stretchy shorts to us, as they are still our property.
You can collect your last paycheck from our newly appointed payroll officer, Mr C. America."

 

[darkwarrior3007]

Problem is, Cappy wasn't an original Avenger. The original team was Iron Man, The Hulk, Thor, Ant Man and Wasp. Cap showed up after the Hulk left. I wonder how they'll deal with this?

I don't think that matters. With all of the retcons that happen in comics on a daily basis and the changes that happen when those comics become movie properties, it just doesn't matter. Rogue wasn't Wolverine's little buddy in the X-Men comics, that was Jubilee but it was changed for the movie. Spider-Man's first supervillain wasn't the Green Goblin, that was the Chameleon but again it was changed for the movie and so on and so on and so on. The First Avenger tagline IMO isn't pertaining to the Avengers but rather him being a superhero during WWII when all of these other heroes weren't even born yet. They're just choosing what would be the best possible story for not only a comic audience but for an audience that has never picked up a comic book a day in their life. Besides, it is coming straight from Marvel.

 

[historylover]

http://www.joblo.com/iron-manavengers-news

There was a bit of drama after the success of IRON MAN, leading to speculation that Marvel might be difficult after their first solo smash (it was the first self-produced and financed superhero film for Marvel Studios).

First they seemed aloof in securing the services of director Jon Favreau for a sequel, then came rumors that Don Cheadle might replace the assumed-to-be-returning Terrence Howard as Rhodey (and eventually War Machine).

But it looks like everything has worked out -- Favs is in, Cheadle is on, and Robert Downey Jr. will be wearing the facial hair, sharp clothes and metallic uniform of weaponsmith Tony Stark for the foreseeable future. The official word from Marvel:

As part of his four picture deal with Marvel Studios, Robert Downey Jr. is appearing as Tony Stark in THE AVENGERS motion picture, as well as reprising his starring role as the larger-than-life leading character in IRON MAN 2. Jon Favreau will return to direct the sequel to the blockbuster IRON MAN, which to date has grossed over $578 million worldwide, as well as executive produce THE AVENGERS.

Marvel Studios is pleased today to confirm that an agreement has been finalized with award-winning actor Don Cheadle to take on the role of Colonel James "Rhodey" Rhodes in Marvel's IRON MAN 2 due in theaters on May 7, 2010. In casting Cheadle, Marvel replaces Terrence Howard who appeared in the role of Rhodey in IRON MAN. Cheadle is also signed on to perform the same role in THE AVENGERS and subsequent installments of the IRON MAN franchise.

In a movie event, THE AVENGERS will bring together the super hero team of Marvel Comics characters for the first time ever, including Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, the Hulk and more, as they are forced to band together to battle the biggest foe they've ever faced.

The highly anticipated sequel to IRON MAN will be released in theatres on May 7, 2010 and THE AVENGERS will be released July 15, 2011. Both films will be distributed by Paramount Pictures.

 

[calpoon]

it never works when they try to pack in too much story into one movie. think about how bad superhero movies suck because they condense not only the story into one movie, but they often reduce several villains into a single plot. So what makes you think that seeing five superheroes, each getting minimal screen time to compete with the story and the villains, whcih will also need to be reduced, will turn out good?

 

[darkwarrior3007]

it never works when they try to pack in too much story into one movie. think about how bad superhero movies suck because they condense not only the story into one movie, but they often reduce several villains into a single plot. So what makes you think that seeing five superheroes, each getting minimal screen time to compete with the story and the villains, whcih will also need to be reduced, will turn out good?

I think it could work if they focus on one story. One of the problems with Spider-Man 3 for example is that it had about three or four different stories going on at once. They had to conclude the Goblin arc, they had to introduce Sandman and tell his story, they introduced the Alien Symbiote, they introduced Eddie Brock, and they threw in Gwen Stacy for good measure. Apart from the Goblin arc, they had to explain why all of these other elements were in the movie and nothing ended up being fleshed out. However with the Avengers you'll get solo movies before the big team up, so you don't have to explain the individual heroes. Now we don't know how many villains will end up in the movie. Let's say it's one villain, Ultron. Well now the task is just telling who is Ultron and why does he want to destroy the world. You really only have one story to work with. X-Men and X-Men 2 are two examples of stories that work with multiple characters. X-Men 3, not so much. Again too many stories, nothing fleshed out.

 

[Dro50]

Didnt they already make an Avengers movie?

:dunno:

That movies just sucks. HAHA I don't know any other way to describe it.

 

[TheRedHood]

Problem is, Cappy wasn't an original Avenger. The original team was Iron Man, The Hulk, Thor, Ant Man and Wasp. Cap showed up after the Hulk left. I wonder how they'll deal with this?

He's pretty much considered an original, simply because he was around a lot longer on the team than the Hulk. Is Edward Norton going to be reprising his role as the Hulk? I know RDJ's in, but I heard nothing about Norton.

I hope they go with Loki and the Hulk as the first threats the Avengers face, just like in the comics.

 

[darkwarrior3007]

He's pretty much considered an original, simply because he was around a lot longer on the team than the Hulk. Is Edward Norton going to be reprising his role as the Hulk? I know RDJ's in, but I heard nothing about Norton.

I hope they go with Loki and the Hulk as the first threats the Avengers face, just like in the comics.

I don't know if Ed Norton is going to be reprising his role. Reportedly he had some issues with Marvel which is why he did like no promotion for The Incredible Hulk. I heard reports that you might not even see Bruce Banner which means you wouldn't need Norton. I also heard rumors that the Hulk will be a villain or rather a threat first that the Avengers will fight and then recruit. No word on Loki but he might be saved for the Thor movie.

 

[marquis2]

You can't have any Avengers movie without Patrick McKnee

 

[The Joker]

Problem is, Cappy wasn't an original Avenger. The original team was Iron Man, The Hulk, Thor, Ant Man and Wasp. Cap showed up after the Hulk left. I wonder how they'll deal with this?

Yeah, Cap wasnt an original member, but he is very much one of the core Avengers, and one that instantly comes to mind whenever comic book fans think of the Avengers. Usually, it's always him, Shellhead, and Goldilocks (aka Thor).

As far as an Avengers movie? I think it could work. But I dont really expect Norton to return as Bruce Banner in the flick. He might for a TIH 2, but for an Avengers flick? I doubt it. And if he does, I'll be more surprised than not. Especially considering his reaction when asked about it a few weeks back. The film does have potential to be good, but it definately can fall down into a slippery slope if not careful. Loki as the villain, and the Hulk percieved as a villain would work. It just has to be managed properly. Which I believe can be done.

Just make sure that script is damn good. And oh yeah, giving Thor and Cap their own movies before this hits certainly would help in not having to explain and give everyone an origin before the film can finally get to the storyline.

 

[TheRedHood]

Out of curiosity, is there a link to Norton's reaction about Hulk in the Avengers movie? I'm thinking the script will have to be perfect for him to agree to it, he's kind of serious about that. I heard the Hulk sequel's being postponed indefinitely because they want to give the other Marvels a chance to shine or something like that.

 

[calpoon]

hawk eye sucks. he's such an obvious rip off of the far superior green arrow.

 

[Violator79]

I'm waiting for it. I can't even begin to think how kick-ass that's going to be when it comes out.

 

[ChefChiTown]

it never works when they try to pack in too much story into one movie. think about how bad superhero movies suck because they condense not only the story into one movie, but they often reduce several villains into a single plot. So what makes you think that seeing five superheroes, each getting minimal screen time to compete with the story and the villains, whcih will also need to be reduced, will turn out good?

Spider-man 3 is a perfect example of that.

 

[The Joker]

Out of curiosity, is there a link to Norton's reaction about Hulk in the Avengers movie? I'm thinking the script will have to be perfect for him to agree to it, he's kind of serious about that. I heard the Hulk sequel's being postponed indefinitely because they want to give the other Marvels a chance to shine or something like that.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/910/910406p1.html

There you go.

 

[NavyBlue]

I think it could work if they focus on one story. One of the problems with Spider-Man 3 for example is that it had about three or four different stories going on at once. They had to conclude the Goblin arc, they had to introduce Sandman and tell his story, they introduced the Alien Symbiote, they introduced Eddie Brock, and they threw in Gwen Stacy for good measure. Apart from the Goblin arc, they had to explain why all of these other elements were in the movie and nothing ended up being fleshed out. However with the Avengers you'll get solo movies before the big team up, so you don't have to explain the individual heroes. Now we don't know how many villains will end up in the movie. Let's say it's one villain, Ultron. Well now the task is just telling who is Ultron and why does he want to destroy the world. You really only have one story to work with. X-Men and X-Men 2 are two examples of stories that work with multiple characters. X-Men 3, not so much. Again too many stories, nothing fleshed out.

Exactly the reason why they must do solo movies before they make the Avengers. Getting origins out of the way save a lot of screen time for other plots like the villain's origin. Actually if the main antagonist is Hulk like in the The Ultimates they can do away with that too.

I got a feeling that DC is waiting to see how Avengers movie turn out before deciding their next course of action. If it's a huge success expect JLA movie to be released within 5 years. I just hope they know how to translate Thor to the big screen successfully. He's the only superhero with an origin that's too unbelieveable to be made into a movie, but if the audience can accept Superman's origin then I am sure they can for Thor as well.