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Texas Attorney General Says Same-Sex Marriage Laws can be Ignored

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
This is an embarrassment for someone like me who lives in this state. Even in some of the most conservative neighboring states (like Arkansas), state officials have appropriately relented to the law of the land while expressing their disagreement with same. Yet, here in good ol' Texas, a guy of extremely questionable character like Attorney General Ken Paxton (he was fined and could well have faced criminal prosecution for violation of state securities laws) can get on his high horse and shroud himself in his alleged faith to deny American citizens their legal rights as determined by the Supreme Court. Political grandstanding for the most part I would surmise since neither he, Governor Greg Abbott nor Lt. Governor Dan Patrick have a leg to stand on (no pun intended, Governor) and are likely simply appealing to their extreme base of support in an effort to make them look like men of conviction. They aren't. They are political opportunists attempting to pander to the most insidious character traits of the extreme Texas right-wing....a dying breed by all indications.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-marriage-licenses-same-sex-couples/29456745/

Shortly after the U.S. Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage across the country Friday, politicians from both sides of the aisle began weighing in on the decision.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton issued a statement Sunday saying state workers can refuse to issue same-sex marriage licenses if doing so is contrary to his or her religious beliefs.

"(Judges and other state workers) may claim that the government cannot force them to conduct same-sex wedding ceremonies over their religious objections," Paxton said in the statement.

Workers who choose to deny licenses to same-sex couples may face litigation and fines, but there are lawyers willing to defend them, according to Paxton.

"Numerous lawyers stand ready to assist clerks defending their religious beliefs, in many cases on a pro-bono basis, and I will do everything I can from this office to be a public voice for those standing in defense of their rights," Paxton said.

Paxton's opinion came two days after Texas Governor Greg Abbott released a similar statement expressing disapproval of the Supreme Court's decision. "No Texan is required by the Supreme Court's decision to act contrary to his or her religious beliefs regarding marriage," Abbott wrote Friday.

State Sen. Jose Rodriguez expressed his disagreement with the attorney general's statement shortly after its release.

"The Attorney General has crossed the line in advising local public officials, who are not his clients, that they are not bound by the U.S. Constitution," Rodriguez said.

"He has erred grievously in giving them unsolicited advice that may subject them to liability in both their individual and official capacity, and could result in their removal from office for failure to uphold the law," he said.

The ACLU also issued a statement in response to Abbott and Paxton.

"Religious liberty is a fundamental right protected by the First Amendment, but that doesn't mean that government officials can use their personal religious beliefs to avoid following the law regarding marriage," Rebecca Robertson of the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas said in a statement.

"Government officials who take an oath to uphold the law are required to treat all Texans equally, regardless of who they are or whom they love," she said.

Roadblocks to marriage weren't isolated to Texas. Attorney generals in Louisiana and Mississippi also attempted to delay issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood sent a message to county clerks Friday saying the Supreme Court's decision was not "immediately effective" in the state. It was short-lived. Hood retracted the message Monday saying it had been misinterpreted.

"Obergefell is the law of the land. If a clerk has issued or decides to issue a marriage license to a same sex couple, there will be no adverse action taken by the Attorney General against that circuit clerk on behalf of the State … On the other hand, a clerk who refuses to issue a marriage license to a same sex couple could be sued by the denied couple and may face liability," he said.

In Louisiana, Attorney General James "Buddy" Caldwell said in a statement that the Supreme Court's decision had nothing requiring it to be effective immediately.

"There is a delay. It's usually around 20 to 25 days," said Louise Bond, Ouachita Parish clerk of court. "We've been told not to issue anything until we hear back from our counsel on that."

The foot-dragging meant that Louisiana was the only state Friday not to have issued a marriage-license to a same-sex couple.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Good, this is all unconstitutional, glad others see this. :D

:stir:
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Good, this is all unconstitutional, glad others see this.

What's unconstitutional is how Christians have trampled over the First Amendment rights of everyone else for so long. You're a fucking idiot and it will be my pleasure to see you win a third and consecutive Asshat Of The Year.
 
What's unconstitutional is how Christians have trampled over the First Amendment rights of everyone else for so long. You're a fucking idiot and it will be my pleasure to see you win a third and consecutive Asshat Of The Year.


Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Christians have "trampled" over the First Amendment rights of EVERYONE else for so long? Was it when anyone publicly speaks out against or mocks christianity? Desecrates it's symbols? Posts on a porn board? Did I miss something and congress established an official religion at some point?

What this ruling does is lead the way for prohibiting the free exercise of someone's religious beliefs when a pastor gets hauled into court for not marrying a gay couple or for simply quoting the bible. It's already happened north of the border.

Remember - tolerance, diversity.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Christians have "trampled" over the First Amendment rights of EVERYONE else for so long? Was it when anyone publicly speaks out against or mocks christianity? Desecrates it's symbols? Posts on a porn board? Did I miss something and congress established an official religion at some point?

What this ruling does is lead the way for prohibiting the free exercise of someone's religious beliefs when a pastor gets hauled into court for not marrying a gay couple or for simply quoting the bible. It's already happened north of the border.

Remember - tolerance, diversity.

Xfire isn't too bright. He's a special member. :1orglaugh
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
The Supremes have ignored article one of the Constitution before and they'll do it again. When an elite few take the sovereignty from the millions who voted against same sex marriage there is no longer liberty or representative democracy. Friday's ruling should have kicked it back to the states to decide on an individual basis. The same should have happened with Roe v Wade. These are matters for the voters or state legislatures to decide.

All nine of the people sitting on the bench have graduated from Harvard or Yale as undergrads or in law school. That is not a very deep talent pool and at the core they probably share the same elitist mentality.

This ruling by SCOTUS harkens back to the William and Mary era of religious toleration. Basically, if you dare disagree with the secularist agenda in an unapproved manner you'll be burned at the stake.

Gov Abbott and Dan Patrick (no relation?) are exercising the sovereignty of their state in the best possible way.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
I see you guys still fuss over a very backwards situation. Of course every cult has and should have its own rules and regulations about procedures to combine partners into bonds of relationships. It is just the big mistake you americans still make:

If marriage that is the official bond is the one that gets made in churchhouses, then these churches are thereby subject in return to government regulations on this specific business.

If the marriage gets handled by state personell, they have zero religious say on this. If they are hindered by their religious beliefs, then this mental handicap prevents them from doing their job and they should abandon their state jobs.

No government worker has the right to get his religion mixed in his work, or you are on your way to shariah zone.

And THAT would be unconstitutional.

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xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Xfire isn't too bright. He's a special member.

You're an idiot. Go piss on an electric fence.


Christians have "trampled" over the First Amendment rights of EVERYONE else for so long? Was it when anyone publicly speaks out against or mocks christianity? Desecrates it's symbols? Posts on a porn board? Did I miss something and congress established an official religion at some point?

What this ruling does is lead the way for prohibiting the free exercise of someone's religious beliefs when a pastor gets hauled into court for not marrying a gay couple or for simply quoting the bible. It's already happened north of the border.

Remember - tolerance, diversity.

Christians enjoyed an unchallenged majority for a long time, now, when people aren't content to just sit back and let them have their way anymore it's only natural that they don't like it. The First Amendment has always protected all religions as well as the non-religious. I'm not suggesting that when other people actually try to violate the rights of Christians by forcing them to perform some act against their will, like forcing a church or preacher to host and perform a gay marriage for example, that it should be allowed. What I'm asserting is that when a government employee, whose religious preference doesn't matter at work is faced with a task like issuing a marriage license, an act that has nothing to do with that employees faith, then that person doesn't get to violate other people's First Amendment rights, either. I'm all for tolerance and diversity, and I'm also all for protecting everyone's rights, not just people I agree with, and even people who I don't particularly care for. That, to me, is one of the big differences between Republicans and Democrats, I don't mind when other people enjoy the same rights I do.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Just don't know when to stop.

That certainly seems to be a consistent theme in your posts. Oh, you're wanting me to stop. What's going to happen if I don't stop? Nothing, other than your continued reliance on smileys to save you from having to make a coherent argument. Go ahead, throw some more dumb macros in with your smileys, you just continue to prove what an insufferable Asshat you are, you really should have been banished a long time ago.
 

Elwood70

Torn & Frayed.
That certainly seems to be a consistent theme in your posts. Oh, you're wanting me to stop. What's going to happen if I don't stop? Nothing, other than your continued reliance on smileys to save you from having to make a coherent argument. Go ahead, throw some more dumb macros in with your smileys, you just continue to prove what an insufferable Asshat you are, you really should have been banished a long time ago.

at least you're not wishing for mass murder in Maryland.
 
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