should PROSTITUTION BE LEGAL

[SophiaWinters]

I agree with Bri, it should be legalized but regulated as well. Make sure all parties are 18+, you know what you're signing up for, and get charged for any crimes against the hooker and john like abuse, stealing, etc. There is already strippers, cam girls, porn websites that you exchange money with for sexual gratification so I think its kinda dumb paying for sex outright is illegal when you can pay for practically everything else through other venues.

 

[cestmoi2010]

I'd imagine a combination of factors such as drugs and human trafficking. "Selling your body" is often thought of as the preserve of the desperate, and a lot of those that are desperate for large sums of money quickly need the money to feed their drug habit, or for other criminal reasons or to get themselves out of a mess - gambling problems, loan sharks etc. There is also the inherent safety element - girls turning tricks can leave themselves vulnerable to being assaulted, raped, robbed and even murdered, we see it all the time. Paradoxically, were it legal, girls working out of safe environments would be able to avoid all that stuff. That's why I mostly use parlours - I know the girls are safe, I know precisely how much the house gets and how much of my sterling goes straight in her purse - I've watched them put it in there, actually - nobody is being controlled by a pimp/dealer, everyone is free to leave if they wish, and the one I use has actually sacked girls for being known addicts.

Of course the real counter-argument to legal prostitution is that very matter of taxation that people like to highlight. If a girl straight away is going to be losing 20%+ of her earnings for Tax/NI etc then she or her parlour has to charge over and above what she's charging now, and a lot of them will go under the radar rather than stick to being a legal, tax-paying prostitute. Her clients pay a lower rate, she takes 100% of the cut, everybody wins. No different to a lot of manual labourers - builders, plumbers, sparkies. You'd need a real good incentive/deterrent to prevent it. Massive jail terms for illegal whoring, maybe, since it might be considered tax evasion, and God knows financial crimes seem to get the strictest punishments of all.

BINGO to al here - something I have said, too

By legalizing it you take it off the streets. You get caught soliciting on the street you go away for a long time and pay a heavy fine. Nevada has it the best - of all 50 States. Brothels are far away from everything so the only reason you have to be in that area is to go to the Brothels. It is a business so income is accounted for (except tips - but that is it), the girls are tested and it is done in a clean and safe environment.

It will almost certainly NEVER be legalized in the USA because any politician who votes FOR it is committing "Career Suicide" - especially in the Bible Belt South. If Stiffy is a politician and he votes for legalizing it when he runs for re-election you can damn well be 1,000% sure his opponent will make sure all know about it. The opponent will run ads saying how Stiffy supports prostitution and is against moral family values and other crap like that. Stiffy would lose votes from all religious people (even the one doing stuff like this themselves). It is legal in Nevada because it has been that way for a long time. If it wasn't legal in NV I am almost 100% sure it would not be legalized now.

One of the very biggest problems we have in society today is: People care more about how OTHERS lead their lives than how they lead their own

The deeply religious want the right to say and believe whatever they want but don't want that same right extended to other with differing viewpoints. They are miserable so they try and make sure everyone else is, too.

For those (Few, if any, here) are unable to comprehend why legalizing it is GOOD - this should end that debate: "In 2006, Lyon County made $316,000 in brothel fees and $25,000 in working permits for prostitutes"

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/pros...tutes-brothels-sex-2011-12?op=1#ixzz2peKyGjqN

http://www.businessinsider.com/prostitution-legal-nevada-prostitutes-brothels-sex-2011-12?op=1

 

[essexy]

well there are always ways around the laws anyway,,, has anyone here done it with a porn star?

Yes in the UK made a thread about this a while back if you want a read well if you are on the UK I guess

 

[Mr_Stiffy]

If Stiffy is a politician and he votes for legalizing it when he runs for re-election you can damn well be 1,000% sure his opponent will make sure all know about it. The opponent will run ads saying how Stiffy supports prostitution and is against moral family values and other crap like that. Stiffy would lose votes from all religious people (even the one doing stuff like this themselves).

That's definitely the most convincing argument for me not to enter politics. Other than the fact I get bored halfway through an argument and just say "Oh, go fuck yourself" and leave the room. Not sure they allow that in the House Of Commons.

It's the lesser of two evils. There would still be "underground"/"illegal" prostitution going on, but I imagine a lot of escorts and parlours would get on board if it were legalized, and a major advantage on top for the providers is being able to advertise in a much clearer manner than certainly parlours are able to today, so the amount of illegal (and potentially dangerous) side-effects of "illegal" whoring would be reduced by people choosing to go legit.

 

[johnnyv0523]

Canada is on the right track.

Prostitution + money + free will = good
Prostitution + money + sex trafficking = bad

As long as they can do it in a safe environment and protect themselves, should be totally legal. It's the world's oldest business!

 

[bobjustbob]

Absolutely. I can use the extra money.

 

[Harley Spencer]

I'd imagine a combination of factors such as drugs and human trafficking. "Selling your body" is often thought of as the preserve of the desperate, and a lot of those that are desperate for large sums of money quickly need the money to feed their drug habit, or for other criminal reasons or to get themselves out of a mess - gambling problems, loan sharks etc. There is also the inherent safety element - girls turning tricks can leave themselves vulnerable to being assaulted, raped, robbed and even murdered, we see it all the time. Paradoxically, were it legal, girls working out of safe environments would be able to avoid all that stuff. That's why I mostly use parlours - I know the girls are safe, I know precisely how much the house gets and how much of my sterling goes straight in her purse - I've watched them put it in there, actually - nobody is being controlled by a pimp/dealer, everyone is free to leave if they wish, and the one I use has actually sacked girls for being known addicts.

Of course the real counter-argument to legal prostitution is that very matter of taxation that people like to highlight. If a girl straight away is going to be losing 20%+ of her earnings for Tax/NI etc then she or her parlour has to charge over and above what she's charging now, and a lot of them will go under the radar rather than stick to being a legal, tax-paying prostitute. Her clients pay a lower rate, she takes 100% of the cut, everybody wins. No different to a lot of manual labourers - builders, plumbers, sparkies. You'd need a real good incentive/deterrent to prevent it. Massive jail terms for illegal whoring, maybe, since it might be considered tax evasion, and God knows financial crimes seem to get the strictest punishments of all.

Plus, I think one of the biggest issues people have with it is girls being forced into it. A lot of people think that prostitution involves nothing but drugs, diseases, abuse, and that much of it stems from girls who were abducted, drugged, and forced into sex slavery. While that is a problem, I think it's far more common that girls willingly enter the business. It's all the bad apples who ruin it for everyone else. One bad story about a young girl who was abducted as a young teen, drugged up, out of her mind, sick, abused, and forced to fuck for money makes headlines, causing a vast portion of our population to think that's how all prostitution works, when that's not true.

So as mentioned previously in this thread, I think it should be legalized but regulated.

 

[cestmoi2010]

Plus, I think one of the biggest issues people have with it is girls being forced into it. A lot of people think that prostitution involves nothing but drugs, diseases, abuse, and that much of it stems from girls who were abducted, drugged, and forced into sex slavery. While that is a problem, I think it's far more common that girls willingly enter the business. It's all the bad apples who ruin it for everyone else. One bad story about a young girl who was abducted as a young teen, drugged up, out of her mind, sick, abused, and forced to fuck for money makes headlines, causing a vast portion of our population to think that's how all prostitution works, when that's not true.

So as mentioned previously in this thread, I think it should be legalized but regulated.

100% agree which is why legalizing it is best. I can GUARANTEE that NO ONE at the Nevada Brothels is there against their own will - EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is there because they WANT to be there not because they are forced to be there

Sadly - those of us here are smart about this topic and can logically and rationally talk about it. There are very few out there, though, who are the same. As I said - go to the Bible Belt South where they are deeply religious and bring up this topic and I hope you can run very fast because soon they will be chasing you out and wanting to harm you for even bringing up this topic.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

Plus, I think one of the biggest issues people have with it is girls being forced into it. A lot of people think that prostitution involves nothing but drugs, diseases, abuse, and that much of it stems from girls who were abducted, drugged, and forced into sex slavery. While that is a problem, I think it's far more common that girls willingly enter the business. It's all the bad apples who ruin it for everyone else. One bad story about a young girl who was abducted as a young teen, drugged up, out of her mind, sick, abused, and forced to fuck for money makes headlines, causing a vast portion of our population to think that's how all prostitution works, when that's not true.

So as mentioned previously in this thread, I think it should be legalized but regulated.

It is a little ironic. There are a lot of people who are vehemently against prostitution because they're afraid of exactly what you're talking about here, and thus they want to stamp it out. Of course that's all but impossible through casting a wide net and setting the unrealistic goal of total suppression. With legalization and regulation you could likely significantly curtail the above quite simply by decriminalizing the standard and allowing law enforcement to focus on the severe and damaging human trafficking done by (primarily) organized crime. But no, instead there's thousands upon thousands upon thousands of man hours wasted on stings against brothels, petty johns, and women on street corners trying to make ends meet.

And of course you have all of those potential tax dollars tossed away on top of the giant expense.

Really, it's not much different than the "War on Drugs"... or more accurately the "War on Weed" which that particular (very nearly) $850,000,000 effort as become (and that's not including lost tax dollars through a potential but ignored avenue for revenue, nor lost wages due to having the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world due to minor drug offenses with lopsided sentencing).

Oh, and just to put my stance in perspective... I haven't smoked weed in over a decade (and have no plans to go back to it), and I've never been to a prostitute. Whether you engage in the activities or not legalization just makes good financial and moral sense. Criminalizing stuff like this just costs too damned much and ruins too many lives.

 

[HehehehehehehehehehahaHyena]

The only acceptable prostitution is that of the government to corporate bank accounts.

 

[Harley Spencer]

100% agree which is why legalizing it is best. I can GUARANTEE that NO ONE at the Nevada Brothels is there against their own will - EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is there because they WANT to be there not because they are forced to be there

Sadly - those of us here are smart about this topic and can logically and rationally talk about it. There are very few out there, though, who are the same. As I said - go to the Bible Belt South where they are deeply religious and bring up this topic and I hope you can run very fast because soon they will be chasing you out and wanting to harm you for even bringing up this topic.

Oooh yes, I can run very fast! I used to run track, I've always been a good runner.

But yeah, I know all about the south and their political, moral and religious views. There are some exceptions to the rule, but most of them fit the bill, and I have very little patience for people who think like that.

 

[Rey C.]

BINGO to al here - something I have said, too

By legalizing it you take it off the streets. You get caught soliciting on the street you go away for a long time and pay a heavy fine. Nevada has it the best - of all 50 States. Brothels are far away from everything so the only reason you have to be in that area is to go to the Brothels. It is a business so income is accounted for (except tips - but that is it), the girls are tested and it is done in a clean and safe environment.

It will almost certainly NEVER be legalized in the USA because any politician who votes FOR it is committing "Career Suicide" - especially in the Bible Belt South. If Stiffy is a politician and he votes for legalizing it when he runs for re-election you can damn well be 1,000% sure his opponent will make sure all know about it. The opponent will run ads saying how Stiffy supports prostitution and is against moral family values and other crap like that. Stiffy would lose votes from all religious people (even the one doing stuff like this themselves). It is legal in Nevada because it has been that way for a long time. If it wasn't legal in NV I am almost 100% sure it would not be legalized now.

One of the very biggest problems we have in society today is: People care more about how OTHERS lead their lives than how they lead their own

The deeply religious want the right to say and believe whatever they want but don't want that same right extended to other with differing viewpoints. They are miserable so they try and make sure everyone else is, too.

For those (Few, if any, here) are unable to comprehend why legalizing it is GOOD - this should end that debate: "In 2006, Lyon County made $316,000 in brothel fees and $25,000 in working permits for prostitutes"

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/pros...tutes-brothels-sex-2011-12?op=1#ixzz2peKyGjqN

http://www.businessinsider.com/prostitution-legal-nevada-prostitutes-brothels-sex-2011-12?op=1

While I do agree with you here, I believe you are only seeing one side of the opposition to legalizing prostitution: the religious right, particularly in the south. The religious right has little to no influence in the liberal northeast and northwest. In those areas, the influence of those on the left is much more prevalent. Take Seattle, for example. It's a very liberal city in a liberal state. Gay marriage is legal. Recreational marijuana use is legal. The minimum wage in Washington state is 28% higher than the Federal minimum and Seattle has moved to increase the minimum wage for city workers to $15/hr (107% higher than the Federal minimum). But what is one area where Seattle could pass for a bible belt city? Enforcement of prostitution laws. Why?

IMO, it goes back over a couple of decades. The one area where tighty righties and loony lefties have been able to come together is the area of "sex law" (porn, prostitution, etc.). Ed Meese (and his master Ronald Reagan), Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority and the National Organization for Women (among other radical feminist groups) were all joined at the hip throughout the 1980's when it came to doing their best to eradicate (male/female) pornography and prostitution. The right wingers supported the move because they believed (believe) in pushing their moral beliefs on others. And the FemiNazis supported it because they saw (see) male/female sex as degrading to women. And all graphical depictions of male/female sex (according to them) is a form of violence against women and leads to rape and other crimes against women and girls. Prostitution, in their minds, is a form of sexual slavery. And even now, we see the same sort of link between those on the liberal left and the conservative right. Obama's man at DoJ, Eric Holder, is no different than Ed Meese or John Ashcroft in this respect. Libertarians (with the small "l") are really the only people with a fairly pure position on this topic. Liberals and conservatives tend to ooze with hypocrisy, because they have bases to keep happy.

The new PC buzzword, designed to convince people that strict enforcement of male/female prostitution laws (very few enforcement efforts ever focus on homosexual prostitution) is the right thing to do: human trafficking.

You're not in favor of human trafficking, are you?! Of course you're not. And neither am I. So you wouldn't mind signing this petition to pass more laws that will allow police officers to spend more time and money ridding our society of this great injustice. Just sign right here. And if you won't sign, I may have to tell your neighbors that human trafficking doesn't bother you. :nono:

 

[Lacey Black]

It should definitely be legalized and regulated. Having it illegal has never and will never prevent it from happening, but it does contribute to a lot of women being abused because they fear going to police.