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Shooting in Switzeland : 3 dead, 7 wounded

The pro-gun widely-used argument about Switzerland having no gun control laws and no shooting is no more

I have never heard nor read about a shooting in Switzerland since 25 years.
Police: 3 dead, several wounded in Switzerland factory shooting

An employee killed two other people before fatally shooting himself at a lumber plant near the central Swiss city of Lucerne on Wednesday, local media reported.

Police said seven people were hurt in the attack, six of them seriously, according to the Lucerne-based daily Neue Luzerner Zeitung.

The gunman, age 42, had worked for a long time for Kronospan, a wood panel manufacturer in the village of Menznau, police said.

What led him to open fire with a handgun as employees were taking a morning break is not yet clear, but a hotline set up after the incident has been "widely used," according to a Lucerne police statement.

Rescuers flew four critically wounded people to two hospitals, air rescue spokeswoman Karine Hoerhager said.

The situation is under control, said Lucerne county police spokesman Urs Wigger, and officers have cordoned off a wide area around the factory.

The incident took place at 9 a.m. in Menznau, about 30 kilometers (19 miles) outside Lucerne. The factory employs 350 people, the newspaper said.

Local media reports suggest the plant has had to cut production because of a reduction in the timber harvest.

Kronospan's main office did not respond to a CNN request for information or a statement about the incident. Representatives for the company's U.S. and UK branches said they had limited information about what happened.

"It's a terrible tragedy and our thoughts are with the families of the people who have lost their lives," the UK spokesman said.

"We, too, are deeply saddened by this tragic event and our thoughts are with our Swiss colleagues and the families of those involved," said the U.S. spokeswoman.

Initial reports suggested the number of people killed might have been higher. Police have yet to name the two people shot dead by the gunman.

Police have not determined whether the firearm was privately owned or issued by the military, the newspaper said.

Ismail Osman, a reporter for the newspaper, told CNNI's Michael Holmes that Switzerland's longstanding tradition of letting citizen-militia keep military-issued weapons has been questioned in recent years.

"It came to a pinnacle about two years ago, when we had a national vote if we should actually continue this tradition or not. An overwhelming majority said 'yes' to continuing that tradition. However, I'm sure the debate will pick up again after today," Osman said.

The Menznau Kronospan factory, which makes wood products under the brand name Kronoswiss, is one of 10 plants in seven countries run by the Swiss Krono Group, according to the company's website.

Its U.S. subsidiary, Kronotex USA, says on its website that the company has been a family business since its inception in 1897 in Austria, and its total annual sales exceed $1 billion.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/27/world/europe/switzerland-shooting/index.html
 

Mayhem

Banned
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/27/switzerland-shooting_n_2772099.html?utm_hp_ref=world

A longtime employee opened fire at a wood-processing company in central Switzerland on Wednesday, leaving three people dead, including the assailant, in the country's second multiple-fatality shooting in two months, police said.

Seven other people were wounded, six of them seriously, in the shooting at the premises of the company Kronospan, in the small town of Menznau, Lucerne criminal police chief Daniel Bussmann told reporters.

The incident occurred as the Swiss parliament prepares to consider tightening some aspects of the country's famously lax gun legislation.

The assailant, a 42-year-old Swiss male, arrived at the premises shortly after 9 a.m., drew a pistol and started firing. Police spokesman Kurt Graf said the shootings took place in the building's canteen area.

Officials didn't immediately have further details on the weapon or how the assailant acquired it. They also did not know how the assailant was killed.

"A lot of things are unclear at this stage," said Ida Glanzmann-Hunkeler, a Christian Democrat lawmaker who lives near the scene of the shooting.

Glanzmann-Hunkeler said a proposal will be put before parliament in the coming weeks that would require greater exchange of information between the gun registries kept by Switzerland's 26 cantons. Authorities would also record whether a person is considered mentally fit to own a gun, and increase officials' powers to confiscate weapons if they aren't.

But the shooting is unlikely to immediately revive calls for ex-soldiers to store their military-issued firearms in secure army depot. The country has a long-standing tradition for men to keep their military rifles after completing compulsory military service.

This partly accounts for the high rate of gun ownership in the country, where some 2.3 million firearms are owned by a population of about 8 million.


A referendum to tighten the laws was defeated at the ballot box in 2011. At the time, opponents pointed to Switzerland's relatively low rate of gun crime, with just 24 gun killings in 2009, which works out to a rate of about 0.3 per 100,000 inhabitants. The U.S. rate that year was about 11 times higher.

Still, there have been several high-profile incidents over the years, including the killing of 14 people at a city council meeting in Zug, not far from Lucerne, in 2001. And in early January, a 33-year-old man killed three women and wounded two men in a southern Swiss village.

Critics and advocates of gun rights doubted the latest shooting would lead to drastic law changes beyond the proposal now before parliament.

"If we demanded another referendum now, many people would say we already dealt with this two years ago," said Tobias Estermann, a member of the anti-weapons group Switzerland Without an Army.

Peter Schilliger, a Lucerne lawmaker, said the popularity of shooting clubs in Switzerland means there is strong grassroots support for gun ownership.

"And anyway, it will always be possible to come by a weapon somehow," he said.

Kronospan Chief Executive Mauro Capozzo said that the suspected assailant had been "with us for more than 10 years – a quiet man, no other incidents involving him are known." Graf said the man was still with the company at the time of the shooting.

According to the local town council, Kronospan has some 450 employees. There was no immediate word on a possible motive; Capozzo said the company hasn't laid anyone off recently.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Yeah, it's about control, you nailed it.

I live in a country with very strict gun control laws but still our sucessive government often withdraw bills they wanted to pass. All our sucessive governments since, like 50 years had to withdraw at least one of their bills. And, these years, they often spread rumours into the medias about some possible future bills and se how the people react and if the people reaction is bad, they give up the bill before even having made it official.
Why are they acting like this ? Because they are scared of us.
Why are they scared of us ? Because when we think the government goes to far, we don't sign secession petitions or ask for impeachment. We go on strike, we go into the streets andf protest. And there very few mail and public transport and school, etc. And it can last days or even weeks.
This is how we make our government not do what we do not want him to do. This is how we scare our politicians.

Yeah people control ! We control, without any guns !
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
Okay Johan, I'll give you another crack at a previous question. Do you think that only the military and police should have guns?
 
Okay Johan, I'll give you another crack at a previous question. Do you think that only the military and police should have guns?
I think civilian should be able to have guns but this right should be highly regulated : licencing, registering, background checks regularly renewed, banning some kind of guns, mandatory safe deposit box, obligation to store the gun apart from the ammos, mandatory safeety training for each gun-owner
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
I think civilian should be able to have guns but this right should be highly regulated : licencing, registering, background checks regularly renewed, banning some kind of guns, mandatory safe deposit box, obligation to store the gun apart from the ammos, mandatory safeety training for each gun-owner

Except for banning automatic weapons then we are exactly on the same page. Not to own an automatic in the home but kept at a range for those that want to use them.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Rejoice, Johan. People are dead but you scored points in a political debate on a porn forum.

Unfortunetly this is what he wanted to happen.


Yeah, it's about control, you nailed it.

:facepalm: No one in any government has the right to control anyone's life.


That's called tyranny.


Okay Johan, I'll give you another crack at a previous question. Do you think that only the military and police should have guns?

He wants this. He loves tyranny.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
I think civilian should be able to have guns but this right should be highly regulated : licencing, registering, background checks regularly renewed, banning some kind of guns, mandatory safe deposit box, obligation to store the gun apart from the ammos, mandatory safeety training for each gun-owner

Like in France where a lot of gun dealers were forced to close their business because some fucking shitty left wing socialist scummy politicians said that guns were dangerous? Too much control leads to a black market with lot of illegal guns. Stupidity of the socialists, something to believe in.

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In my beloved Schweize? Hard to believe.

You are not from Switzerland, you are from the UK, so stop passing yourself for what you aren't.
 
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