President Ronald Reagan's Liberal Legacy

It's funny to see NeoCons get emotionally teary eyed when they mention how President Ronald Reagan was such a great "conservative"* What these uneducated NeoCon idiots don't know is that Ronald Reagan was in fact more liberal* and socialist than liberals. But moronic NeoCons know for sure that ignorance is bliss until smacked in the head with the facts and see Reagan was truly indeed a flip flopper :)

Was Reagan a Liberal?, A Review by Katherine Ernst
http://www.city-journal.org/html/rev2007-03-02ke.html

August 10, 1982
Policy Analysis no. 13
The Reagan Budget: The Deficit that Didn't Have to Be

by David Boaz

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=879

Read entire article * http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0301.green.html

Reagan's Liberal Legacy

What the new literature on the Gipper won't tell you.
By Joshua Green

Reagan is, to be sure, one of the most conservative presidents in U.S. history and will certainly be remembered as such. His record on the environment, defense, and economic policy is very much in line with its portrayal. But he entered office as an ideologue who promised a conservative revolution, vowing to slash the size of government, radically scale back entitlements, and deploy the powers of the presidency in pursuit of socially and culturally conservative goals. That he essentially failed in this mission hasn't stopped partisan biographers from pretending otherwise. (Noonan writes of his 1980 campaign pledges: "Done, done, done, done, done, done, and done. Every bit of it.")

A sober review of Reagan's presidency doesn't yield the seamlessly conservative record being peddled today. Federal government expanded on his watch. The conservative desire to outlaw abortion was never seriously pursued. Reagan broke with the hardliners in his administration and compromised with the Soviets on arms control. His assault on entitlements never materialized; instead he saved Social Security in 1983. And he repeatedly ignored the fundamental conservative dogma that taxes should never be raised.

All of this has been airbrushed from the new literature of Reagan. But as any balanced account must make clear, Reagan acceded to political compromises as all presidents do once in office--and on many occasions did so willingly. In fact, however often unintentionally, many of his actions as president wound up facilitating liberal objectives. What this clamor of adulation is seeking to deny is that beyond his conservative legacy, Ronald Reagan has bequeathed a liberal one.
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Ronald Reagan was a Liberal Compared to Current Republicans
Cenk-Uygur

Posted Feb 1st 2008 8:08PM by Cenk Uygur

Filed under: Young Turks, Republicans, Video, Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan cut and ran from Beirut. Ronald Reagan negotiated with the Evil Empire. Ronald Reagan sold arms to Iran! Ronald Reagan raised taxes eleven times. Ronald Reagan was the one who gave ******* immigrants amnesty in the first place!

Reagan would be laughed out of the Republican primaries now. They'd call him a softie lib. God knows what Ann Coulter would call him. Yet these same Republicans treat him like a demi-god. You know why? Because they have no other Republican presidents they can be proud of. Who else are they going to praise? Richard Nixon? George W. Bush?

I think they should be proud of George H. W. Bush for many reasons, but of course they **** him because he raised taxes and didn't invade Iraq.

Present day conservatives are an embarrassment. They are the most ideologically rigid party I have ever seen. Now compare them to the Democrats running:


http://ncrepublicans.blogspot.com/2007/11/governor-reagan-pro-life-liberal.html

What would the Club for Growth have said about Governor Ronald Reagan in 1980???
[Governor Reagan] "signed a series of tax increases aimed at ending the state’s deficit. Nonetheless, during his tenure California’s budget more than doubled and the number of state employees increased significantly.] Columbia Encyclopedia

"Unfortunately, Governor Reagan's efforts to reduce taxes and spending in the Golden State met with less success. ... Reagan reluctantly signed a tax increase in 1967." National Review

"[Governor] Reagan did institute property and inventory tax cuts, but during his tenure the sales tax was increased to six percent and withholding was introduced to the state income tax system. Under Reagan’s administration, state funding for public schools (grades K- 12) increased 105 percent (although enrollment went up only 5 percent), state support for junior colleges increased 323 percent, and grants and loans to college students increased 900 percent" Reason Magazine

"But in 1968, California was a high tax state -- among the top 10 in the country. The previous year, California's new Republican governor, Ronald Reagan, had just called for, and signed, the biggest tax increase in the history of any state." Sacramento Bee

"Gov. Reagan raised taxes by an amount equal to 30% of the general fund" Los Angeles Times

"[Governor Reagan] was a liberal Democrat and a supporter of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal in the 1930s ... [Governor Reagan] signed a series of tax increases aimed at ending the state's deficit. Nonetheless, during his tenure California's budget more than doubled and the number of state employees increased significantly." Factmonster

Governor Reagan in 1973: "When I took office in 1967, we discovered that the promise of "no tax increases" could not be carried out. ... In seven years we've managed to increase state support for public schools by 92 per cent, although enrollment this year is less than 6 per cent grater than it was in 1967." National Review

... Thank goodness the Club for Growth wasn't around in 1980 to go after Ronald Reagan and selectively twist his record like they do against so many others today.
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Reagan's Liberal Legacy

What the new literature on the Gipper won't tell you.
By Joshua Green

Reagan is, to be sure, one of the most conservative presidents in U.S. history and will certainly be remembered as such. His record on the environment, defense, and economic policy is very much in line with its portrayal. But he entered office as an ideologue who promised a conservative revolution, vowing to slash the size of government, radically scale back entitlements, and deploy the powers of the presidency in pursuit of socially and culturally conservative goals. That he essentially failed in this mission hasn't stopped partisan biographers from pretending otherwise. (Noonan writes of his 1980 campaign pledges: "Done, done, done, done, done, done, and done. Every bit of it.")

A sober review of Reagan's presidency doesn't yield the seamlessly conservative record being peddled today. Federal government expanded on his watch. The conservative desire to outlaw abortion was never seriously pursued. Reagan broke with the hardliners in his administration and compromised with the Soviets on arms control. His assault on entitlements never materialized; instead he saved Social Security in 1983. And he repeatedly ignored the fundamental conservative dogma that taxes should never be raised.

All of this has been airbrushed from the new literature of Reagan. But as any balanced account must make clear, Reagan acceded to political compromises as all presidents do once in office--and on many occasions did so willingly. In fact, however often unintentionally, many of his actions as president wound up facilitating liberal objectives. What this clamor of adulation is seeking to deny is that beyond his conservative legacy, Ronald Reagan has bequeathed a liberal one.
 

jasonk282

Banned
Democrats have Clinton, they have no need to attach themselves to Reagan. And from what I read he only did 3 things in his 8 years in office that Democrats would do. one article just talks about him as a Govenor, not as the POTUS which a majority of people remember him as. Your right he negioated with the Evil Empire, because if he faced them head on there would have been a high change of Nukes being used.

Reagan is, to be sure, one of the most conservative presidents in U.S. history and will certainly be remembered as such. His record on the environment, defense, and economic policy is very much in line with its portrayal. But he entered office as an ideologue who promised a conservative revolution, vowing to slash the size of government, radically scale back entitlements, and deploy the powers of the presidency in pursuit of socially and culturally conservative goals.
this is what people will remember him for, the Dems are trying so hard to get swing and indepent voters that they are going to attach themselves to Reagan? Well i guess despreat times call for desperate measures.
 
No one is trying to claim him for the Democrats-despite his being an active supporter of FDR,Truman, and the New Deal-but people have to admit that his economic policies wound up being not very conservative. All of the protesters on the economy today would have to protest his record as they are Obama. Funny how many people that voted for Bush and Reagan are now so upset about spening-conservative hero Dick Cheney put it well when he said "Reagan proved deficits don't matter". Funny how people forget.
 
Democrats have Clinton, they have no need to attach themselves to Reagan. And from what I read he only did 3 things in his 8 years in office that Democrats would do. one article just talks about him as a Govenor, not as the POTUS which a majority of people remember him as. Your right he negioated with the Evil Empire, because if he faced them head on there would have been a high change of Nukes being used.

this is what people will remember him for, the Dems are trying so hard to get swing and indepent voters that they are going to attach themselves to Reagan? Well i guess despreat times call for desperate measures.

The incredible thing about this is that Clinton was much more fiscally conservative than that self-hating in the closet commie Reagan was lol
 
Ronaldus Maximus

peace be upon him.


the only issue I would take with him was his condemnation of Israel for taking out Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981.

They did the world a favor as they continue to do.
 
And Reagan had been a democrat. But like Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus, something led to his conversion. In his case it was fiscal policy and anti-communism.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Reagan was an arms trading ***********, that was fucking lucky he had a loyal General to take the bullet for him.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
A zombie thread, but a good one to bring back to life, IMO. :thumbsup:


The incredible thing about this is that Clinton was much more fiscally conservative than that self-hating in the closet commie Reagan was lol

In some respects, Hellraiser was correct. Although Reagan (and more than a few Democrats at that time) embraced supply side economics and tax policies, much of Reagan's economic plan was based on standard Keynesianism (deficit spending). And though many people now speak about Reagan attacking inflation, he had no more to do with monetary policy than Obama (or Clinton) did. That's always been the realm of the Federal Reserve... in that case, Paul Volker.

IMO, where Reagan really stood out was in his ability to convince people (whether real or by his acting talents) that he was a strong leader. He convinced the American people of that, as well as our friends and enemies around the world. Where Obama has this odd tendency to kowtow and apologize for anything and everything, making empty threats that he can't or won't back up with action, most had the feeling (or fear) that Reagan might put a foot in someone's butt, just to show that he'd do it. Ol' Muammar Gaddafi found that out the hard way. "Hey, don't fuck with 'Murica, sonny. I'll **** your ******!" And then he did it! :eek:

As far as where Reagan and Clinton are/were on the political spectrum, it's hard to say. We're looking at it with 20/20 hindsight now. Neither was pure anything though. Reagan wasn't as conservative (fiscally or socially) as many like to remember him being now. And Clinton wasn't as liberal (fiscally or socially) as many like to remember him being now. They were both somewhat pragmatic. And both were skilled politicians - something that I can't really say about Obama or W. Bush. Clinton embraced globalism and international trade (to our detriment), while Reagan leaned more towards nationalism and protectionism in many instances. And even though Reagan did stand behind and support Israel (as has been necessary, what with American Zionism being so prevalent since the late 1940's), they knew the score with him: there would be no tail wagging the dog, as we have had since then. Reagan was more concerned with what was best for the nation that he had been elected to represent and lead, not what was best for some foreign nation. Not worrying enough about the state of affairs in this nation is a damn big part of why we're in the fine mess that we're in right now. But to be honest, I'd take either Reagan or Clinton over what we have right now... or what we seem to be facing after the next election, whether it's the crook or the kook that wins.

Democrats have Clinton, they have no need to attach themselves to Reagan. And from what I read he only did 3 things in his 8 years in office that Democrats would do. one article just talks about him as a Governor, not as the POTUS which a majority of people remember him as. Your right he negotiated with the Evil Empire, because if he faced them head on there would have been a high change of Nukes being used.

I just quoted JasonK because of all of the people to be ****** for nothing, his name still stands out. I didn't always agree with him, but he was a solid poster here. They let totally worthless people like Sam Fisher and Philbert come back time after time, but Jason got a permaban over what seemed like a relatively ***** infraction. Simply amazing. Anyway, I hope that things worked out for this military vet going through rough times, and that he's doing well now.

interesting and bump

Yes, it is. Thanks, man. Rep coming your way.
 
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