Please Help Puerto Rico

[Straight Shooter]

Nearly all of the U.S. territory’s 3.4 million residents need assistance recovering from the storm. Here’s how you can help.

Cash. Most organizations are asking for cash, rather than supplies, so they can route help to where it’s needed most more quickly. Here are some of the largest groups with campaigns underway:

-United for Puerto Rico (spearheaded by the First Lady of Puerto Rico)
-UNICEF
-Center for Popular Democracy
-Hispanic Federation’s “Unidos” page
-International Medical Corps
-Former U.S. presidents have expanded their One America Appeal to include recovery efforts in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands
-Catholic Relief Services
-Americares
-Direct Relief
-Save the Children, which focuses specifically on the needs of families and their children.
-Global Giving has a $2 million goal for victims of Hurricane Maria

GoFundMe has also created a hub that includes all campaigns for Hurricane Maria. You can also find campaigns for individual families seeking help for loved ones.

Supplies. The government of Puerto Rico has also launched a guide that details how individuals or companies can donate emergency and construction supplies (from bottled water, hand sanitizer and formula to extension cords, tarp and safety glasses). The National Voluntary Organizations Active in Disasters (VOAD) is coordinating many of these donations here (and corporate giving here).

Volunteers. Once infrastructure is stable, the island will also need volunteers. VOAD is a good place to start. It can help match you with organizations with efforts already underway.

Spread the word. Part of the problem is that much of Puerto Rico and the Caribbean isn’t able to ask for help, due to loss of power and infrastructure.

Facebook has a safety check page for victims and their families to check in with each other, as does Google Docs’ person finder. If you or loved one has access to any kind of cell or internet service, the American Red Cross also has an Emergency! App for saftey check-ins and updates. Univision launched an interactive page where you can search for updates on individual municipalities. Officials in Puerto Rico are asking people to report U.S. citizens who need emergency assistance to the State Department through its Task Force Alert program. Go to http://tfa.state.gov and select “2017 Storm Maria.”

Puerto Rico is in crisis. If you helped victims of Hurricane Harvey and Irma, please do the same for Maria victims. It's important to know that Puerto Ricans are Americans. The island is destroyed, they're going to be set back decades. 9 days after Maria and food, cash, and power are scarce. Please do what you can so that our fellow Americans can get what they need

 

[pornobh]

My prayers for the people of Puerto Rico. I am contributing.... I encourage everyone to do the same.

 

[Mayhem]

Trump doesn’t get it on Puerto Rico. He just proved it by lashing out at San Juan’s mayor.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ut-at-san-juans-mayor/?utm_term=.7ef7f57938ea

President Trump is facing growing — but still measured — criticism of the federal response to the devastation in Puerto Rico. So what does he do? Lash out at the mayor of a hurricane-ravaged city, naturally.

Trump responded Saturday morning to harsh critiques from San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz by targeting her personally. The president accused the mayor of playing politics and succumbing to pressure from fellow Democrats to attack his administration. He also, remarkably, directly attacked her and other Puerto Rican officials' leadership.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
The Mayor of San Juan, who was very complimentary only a few days ago, has now been told by the Democrats that you must be nasty to Trump.

...Such poor leadership ability by the Mayor of San Juan, and others in Puerto Rico, who are not able to get their workers to help. They....

...want everything to be done for them when it should be a community effort. 10,000 Federal workers now on Island doing a fantastic job.

Anybody who is surprised at this from a president who attacked a former prisoner of war for being a prisoner war, criticized a Gold Star family and made fun of a reporter's physical disability has a short memory. This is who Trump is. He doesn't accept criticism and move on; he brings a bazooka to a knife fight — even when those wielding the knife are trying to save lives.

But it's also hugely counterproductive. In three tweets, Trump has moved a simmering, somewhat-negative story for his administration to the front burner. He decided to attack a sympathetic character and turn this into a partisan political debate. Cruz is pleading for help by saying, “We are dying.” Trump essentially told her to stop complaining. He's also arguing that somebody who is in charge of saving lives is somehow more interested in politics. That's a stunning charge.

And it all shows just how much Trump still doesn't quite grasp what a crisis Puerto Rico is — both for its people and for him.

There has been anecdotal evidence that Trump doesn't quite get it. He has repeatedly misstated the size of the hurricane that hit Puerto Rico. He has repeatedly talked about what a tough state the island was in to begin with — as if to shift blame. He has talked repeatedly about how Puerto Rico is an island “in the middle of the ocean” — as if to temper expectations. He has even talked about how Puerto Rico might be made to repay the cost of its recovery. And he's decided to take a weekend at his golf club in New Jersey right now, even as the scope of the problems in Puerto Rico is growing.

Mark Murray ✔ @mmurraypolitics
Can't remember another president - or even Trump during TX & FL - talk about how a state/territory would have to pay for relief/rebuilding

Any of these could be dismissed by themselves; the totality of them — and the tweets Saturday morning — fill in a clear picture. As I argued last week, Puerto Rico threatened to expose a Trump blind spot, by virtue of its status as a U.S. territory and its proximity to other recent hurricanes. It's looking like it's now found that blind spot.

Trump may succeed in getting his base to fight back against the narrative that the Puerto Rico recovery isn't going well. And perhaps this will all result in the same political stalemate we've seen on so many Trump-related controversies, with 35 percent to 40 percent of the country standing by Trump, and most of the rest being outraged.

But that's not really the point. Most controversies are temporary and blow over. Puerto Rico is a legacy issue for Trump — something that, like Hurricane Katrina, could color views of him for years or decades to come.

The fact that Trump decided to do what he did Saturday morning suggests he doesn't get that at all. This humanitarian crisis for Puerto Rico may not wind up being a political crisis for Trump, but Trump should be doing everything in his power to prevent that. Instead, he's making excuses and paying more attention to how unfairly he's being treated.

Did you all get that? Dear Leader is golfing while Puerto Rico drowns.

 

[sean miguel]

They are in dire straits. Their infrastructure that was near collapse before the hurricane thanks in part to their corrupt officials is non-existent now. You're starting from less than scratch. @ San Juan's mayor - never let a crisis go to waste. How many U.S. military personel are and have been on the island working 18-hour shifts to get the roads and airports and seaports cleared and distributing aid. They've been having to backpack it on foot to bring the aid that they have.

 

[Mayhem]

They are in dire straits. Their infrastructure that was near collapse before the hurricane thanks in part to their corrupt officials is non-existent now. You're starting from less than scratch. @ San Juan's mayor - never let a crisis go to waste. How many U.S. military personel are and have been on the island working 18-hour shifts to get the roads and airports and seaports cleared and distributing aid. They've been having to backpack it on foot to bring the aid that they have.

And Dear Leader plays golf.

 

[Will E Worm]

 

[Mayhem]

Trump called San Juan’s mayor a weak leader. Here’s what her leadership looks like.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...leadership-looks-like/?utm_term=.45e233c3d6d2

When Hurricane Maria destroyed the infrastructure of Puerto Rico, it turned the mayor of its capital city into a spokeswoman for a stranded people.

Carmen Yulín Cruz Soto told the world of the "horror" she was seeing as she waded through San Juan's flooded streets. And the desperation on the island, parts of which may remain without power for months.

Until then, Cruz had not been a well-known politician outside the island.
But after she criticized Washington's response to the hurricane this week — "save us from dying," she pleaded on cable network — President Trump took direct aim at her on Twitter.

"Such poor leadership ability by the Mayor of San Juan," he wrote Saturday. Democrats must have told her to say nasty things about him, he claimed.

Since the president brought it up, we present below the historical record of the leadership of Cruz, before and after the storm.

Cruz has, in some ways, been a lifelong politician: class president in eighth grade; student council president in high school.

Like many Puerto Ricans, she left the island to pursue opportunities on the mainland, earning a bachelor's in political science at Boston University and a master's in public management and policy at Carnegie Mellon.

She stayed on the mainland for many years, according to her official biography, and worked her way up to the position of human resources director at several companies, including Scotiabank and the U.S. Treasury Department.

In a 2014 interview with a small New York newspaper, Cruz described the tug of war she and other Puerto Ricans often feel between the mainland and their home island.

"I often say to my friends that I felt too Puerto Rican to live in the States; then I felt too American to live in Puerto Rico," she said. "So when I settled back in Puerto Rico in 1992, I had to come to terms with all of that."

After 12 years on the mainland, Cruz returned to her island to plunge back into politics.

She became an adviser to Sila María Calderón, a San Juan mayor who later became Puerto Rico's only female governor.

With the experience she gained under Calderón, Cruz ran in 2000 for a seat in Puerto Rico's House of Representatives. She lost that race, but in 2008 she ran again and won.

"Politics is a rough game, and sometimes as females we are taught that you have to play nice," she said in a 2014 interview. "Sometimes you can't play nice."

As the race for mayorship of her home town approached in 2012, she waffled publicly on whether to become a candidate.

At first she denied any plans to run. Once she entered the race, she strung together a series of small coalitions — including the LGBT community, students, Dominican immigrants and taxi drivers — to form a base of support.

Such allies helped her defeat a formidable opponent — a three-time incumbent, Jorge Santini.

"People don't realize they have the power," she recalled in an interview several years later. "People don't realize that if they come together, there are more of them than those who occupy the seat that I'm in right now."

Puerto Rico's politics are largely defined by their relationship with the mainland and whether the island should remain a U.S. territory, gain statehood or vie for independence.

Cruz's party, the Popular Democratic Party, campaigns to maintain Puerto Rico's status as an unincorporated, self-governed U.S. territory.

But in her trips to the United States since winning office, Cruz has at times advocated for more independence.

She once went before Congress to ask that Puerto Rico — crippled by debt — be able to reorganize under bankruptcy laws, and thereafter enter into commercial agreements with other countries.

"Puerto Rico has been denied these tools far too long," Cruz said in 2015. "And as long as our options are defined by the powers of this Congress, we will always be at your mercy. The measure of our success will always be limited by the vastness of your control over our affairs."

Two years later, Hurricane Maria has made the island's many dependencies all too apparent.

Maria flooded roads, destroyed phone lines and cut the island's lifeline of goods from the mainland.

With limited communications and little help from the outside world in the first days after the hurricane, the mayors of Puerto Rico became the highest form of authority for many residents.

Cruz worked nearly nonstop on the ground — walking the capital's streets and doing what she could for those she met. In an interview with a Washington Post reporter just three days after the storm, she described what she was seeing.

"There is horror in the streets," she said at the time. "Sheer pain in people's eyes."

The city's hospitals had no power. Much of the country would not have electricity until 2018, she said. Looters were already taking over some streets after dark. The few residents who still had gasoline and drinking water were quickly running out.

Cruz had written to scores of other mayors. "There's no answer," she said.
She felt relatively helpless — able to do only so much for her exhausted neighbors and frightened constituents.

"I know we're not going to get to everybody in time," she said. All she could do was try.

She said that on her way to talk to the reporter, a man had asked her for a favor: "To tell the world we're here."

As tears filled her eyes, Cruz obliged. "If anyone can hear us," she told the reporter, "help."

By Thursday night, families were searching for water by the light of dwindling cellphone batteries and the moon. They passed through a tunnel beneath a city wall, and found at the exit a water tank left there by the city — a godsend.

And then they found their mayor.

Cruz hugged them as they came to her. She handed to each family a small solar-powered lantern — "a box of blessings," she called it.

"Now this is life," she told The Post.

Her people were resilient, she said. Residents had taken the streets back from criminal gangs.

But if the federal government did not step up its response, she feared, "people will die."

Nearly 5,000 National Guard personnel were stationed on the island before the storm, according to the White House, and the government has sent thousands more to help in the days since. But Guard personnel have struggled to get even basics such as drinking water to those in need.

A call with the White House earlier this week was encouraging, Cruz said. She told the federal government that 3,000 containers were sitting in a port, trapped behind electronic gates that would not open. Since then, more federal personnel had arrived, and the government had sent pallets of water and food.

But her city was still on the brink, Cruz said.

On Thursday, in the White House driveway, acting Homeland Security Secretary Elaine Duke defended the Trump administration's response to the storm.

"It is really a good-news story, in terms of our ability to reach people," the director said.

When Cruz heard that, she made good on her warning years earlier — that sometimes in politics "you can't play nice."

"People are dying in this country," Cruz said at a news conference on Friday. "I am begging, begging anyone that can hear us, to save us from dying. If anybody out there is listening to us, we are dying, and you are killing us with the inefficiency and the bureaucracy."

And with that, the mayor of a ruined city drew the attention and ire of the president of the United States.

"The Mayor of San Juan, who was very complimentary only a few days ago, has now been told by the Democrats that you must be nasty to Trump," he wrote on Twitter.

The remark perplexed many experts on Puerto Rican politics.

"I don't know if Trump's comments shows an utter lack of understanding of the political situation in Puerto Rico, or if it's just a cover to rally his base," said Yarimar Bonilla, an anthropologist at Rutgers University. "It makes no sense. Politics in Puerto Rico are completely different than the mainland, with completely different parties."

Last year, Bonilla surveyed 1,000 residents of the island. Most had no affiliation with Republicans or Democrats, and many had little understanding of either party.

Cruz, who is widely expected to run for governor of the island, has some understanding, of course.

She isn't affiliated with either party, but has occasionally supported former Democratic President Barack Obama's policies. During the 2012 election, she met with Obama's campaign manager to push for health care funding and education grants for Puerto Ricans.

But that is a far cry from being a tool of the Democrats, said Amilcar Barreto, a Puerto Rican political expert at Northeastern University. "Complaining about people on the island not having food, electricity, water is not partisan. That's just basic human necessity."

On Saturday, Cruz dismissed Trump's tweets with a smile. She was dressed in combat boots and cargo pants as she oversaw the distribution of supplies from San Juan.

"The most powerful man in the world is concerned with a 5-foot-tall, 120-pound little mayor of the city of San Juan," she said.

Suddenly, many others were concerned as well.

Cruz fielded calls all day long from U.S. senators and business leaders. Reporters mobbed her for interviews.

And all day long, her criticism of the relief effort did not soften. "It's like a clogged artery," she said of federal government's bureaucratic hurdles. "The heart has stopped beating."

When asked if there was anything political in her barbed remarks, Cruz denied it.

"I don't have time for politics," she said. "There is a mission, and that is to save lives."

Then in the middle of an interview, the mayor got a call about a generator catching fire at San Juan hospital. She quickly mobilized her staff, barking out orders like a general.

And, within minutes, she was rushing once more out into her city.

And Dear Leader plays golf.

 

[Jack Davenport]

The "Dear Leader" used as a pejorative when it comes to Trump just proves how butthurt the left are and were when it came to Maobama.

The term was used all through the Obama presidency as a Kim Dynasty reference to make fun of the brainless adulation that the Messiah received and children singing songs praising him, in AMERICAN classrooms no less. Trump will never have to be concerned with such silliness but at least one thing is correct, Trump is actually a leader.

 

[Mayhem]

The "Dear Leader" used as a pejorative when it comes to Trump just proves how butthurt the left are and were when it came to Maobama.

The term was used all through the Obama presidency as a Kim Dynasty reference to make fun of the brainless adulation that the Messiah received and children singing songs praising him, in AMERICAN classrooms no less. Trump will never have to be concerned with such silliness but at least one thing is correct, Trump is actually a leader.

Please explain that godawful, embarrassing Cabinet meeting where everyone lined up to polish Dear Leader's knob....2 weeks before he fired half of them.

And what score did he post at Bedminster yesterday while Puerto Rico (and Houston and Florida) struggled to survive?

Your bullshit excuses are over. Oh and BTW, your accusations against Obama are especially putrid bovine excrement. You know all this. You just insist on playing the clown...and you're really good at it.

You let your hate and willful ignorance get an absolute buffoon elected. He lied to you repeatedly before and after inauguration, and to this day you lap it up and ask for more. His incompetence is so pervasive, he is the one who has handed himself his own worst defeats (except Repeal & Replace. You lost that because the rest of your Party is incompetent shit too). He blew it in Houston, woke up long enough to notice Florida and was surprised to see Puerto Rico is surrounded by water (please Dear Lord, don't let anyone use the word "Seawall" where he can hear it, or we'll have a whole new ballgame).

Every single "offense" and criticism he ever leveled against Obama and/or Hillary are offenses he has committed several times more egregiously than both of them combined, in a few short months. Can you stifle the buzzing in your own mind long enough to get that? For 8 years you threw your little girly tantrums over vacations, Goldman Sachs, emails, Executive Orders. Every single one of these charges, he has out done and left in the dust in 8 paltry months. Not to mention the revolving door of his Cabinet and appointees.

The only, and I do mean ONLY things that haven't blown up like a grenade to the face is the Obama-era policies that he has either left alone, or is too obtuse to have damaged yet.

The Wall - Never gonna happen. Repeal & Replace - never gonna happen. Dear Leader's idea of tax reform - never gonna happen (yes, even with you prattling non-stop that it's cotdam gonna pass, no it really won't). Infrastructure - never gonna happen(unfortunately). Veterans - (to no one's surprise) - never gonna happen. No plan for ISIS (which he said he had - another lie). Sending more troops to Afghanistan, which he said he wasn't going to do - happening.

No one likes to be the victim. People who have been conned feel mortified, resentful and inadequate. Hell, the Mafia refused to believe that Donnie Brasco was a cop BECAUSE he did such an effective job rolling them. So it's not unnatural for you to be doing the cornered rabbit thing on a daily basis. In fact, with you, we expect nothing less. To not-one-person's surprise, you're twisting yourself into a pretzel to cover for the fact that you wanted this asshole and an asshole is precisely what you got.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Please explain that godawful, embarrassing Cabinet meeting where everyone lined up to polish Dear Leader's knob....2 weeks before he fired half of them.

And what score did he post at Bedminster yesterday while Puerto Rico (and Houston and Florida) struggled to survive?

Your bullshit excuses are over. Oh and BTW, your accusations against Obama are especially putrid bovine excrement. You know all this. You just insist on playing the clown...and you're really good at it.

You let your hate and willful ignorance get an absolute buffoon elected. He lied to you repeatedly before and after inauguration, and to this day you lap it up and ask for more. His incompetence is so pervasive, he is the one who has handed himself his own worst defeats (except Repeal & Replace. You lost that because the rest of your Party is incompetent shit too). He blew it in Houston, woke up long enough to notice Florida and was surprised to see Puerto Rico is surrounded by water (please Dear Lord, don't let anyone use the word "Seawall" where he can hear it, or we'll have a whole new ballgame).

Every single "offense" and criticism he ever leveled against Obama and/or Hillary are offenses he has committed several times more egregiously than both of them combined, in a few short months. Can you stifle the buzzing in your own mind long enough to get that? For 8 years you threw your little girly tantrums over vacations, Goldman Sachs, emails, Executive Orders. Every single one of these charges, he has out done and left in the dust in 8 paltry months. Not to mention the revolving door of his Cabinet and appointees.

The only, and I do mean ONLY things that haven't blown up like a grenade to the face is the Obama-era policies that he has either left alone, or is too obtuse to have damaged yet.

The Wall - Never gonna happen. Repeal & Replace - never gonna happen. Dear Leader's idea of tax reform - never gonna happen (yes, even with you prattling non-stop that it's cotdam gonna pass, no it really won't). Infrastructure - never gonna happen(unfortunately). Veterans - (to no one's surprise) - never gonna happen. No plan for ISIS (which he said he had - another lie). Sending more troops to Afghanistan, which he said he wasn't going to do - happening.

No one likes to be the victim. People who have been conned feel mortified, resentful and inadequate. Hell, the Mafia refused to believe that Donnie Brasco was a cop BECAUSE he did such an effective job rolling them. So it's not unnatural for you to be doing the cornered rabbit thing on a daily basis. In fact, with you, we expect nothing less. To not-one-person's surprise, you're twisting yourself into a pretzel to cover for the fact that you wanted this asshole and an asshole is precisely what you got.

Wow that post reads like something that someone who predicted Trump would never win the nomination or the presidency would write. The only reason Trump's agenda is struggling is because of cuck GOP members of congress. Don't look now but Roy Moore is getting ready to be joined in the senate by Kelli Ward in Arizona and several more conservative members.

Then that wall you claim will never get built will be funded. Tax cuts will be implemented and we get back to 4 percent growth. Tell me about Obama's policies
working again? Obama care is imploding and we already have 3 percent growth. I try to avoid you anymore because you aren't capable of debate, just crap like this. I am glad you were able to vent out 11 months of frustration in one post and crawl out of your fetal position after being so wrong about the election.

You'll be proven wrong again as well.

Dat DD-214 tho.

 

[icytea]

Made a donation yesterday

 

[xfire]

Posts #9 & #10 illustrate the jarring difference between Truth (#9) and Shit Posting (#10). No surprise, really, the longer the Trump administration goes on, the worse it's going to get.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Posts #9 & #10 illustrate the jarring difference between Truth (#9) and Shit Posting (#10). No surprise, really, the longer the Trump administration goes on, the worse it's going to get.

Of course you'd say that. The beautiful irony is that the term "shit posting" actually spelled "shit poasting" is intended to be interpreted in a positive connotation as the effect is to trigger leftists which is exactly what it does to you. But keep on posting what you believe to be catch phrases as if you understand the meaning and quoting the North Korean foreign minister and we will be just fine.

There were disciplinary actions handed down a few weeks ago (some disciplined more than others) and I haven't really brought it to the board but you still seem to be hung up on it. I am willing to let by gones be by gones if you are. Mull it over and get back to me.

 

[xfire]

Of course you'd say that. The beautiful irony is that the term "shit posting" actually spelled "shit poasting" is intended to be interpreted in a positive connotation as the effect is to trigger leftists which is exactly what it does to you. But keep on posting what you believe to be catch phrases as if you understand the meaning and quoting the North Korean foreign minister and we will be just fine. There were disciplinary actions handed down a few weeks ago (some disciplined more than others) and I haven't really brought it to the board but you still seem to be hung up on it. I am willing to let by gones be by gones if you are. Mull it over and get back to me.

Shit posts are shit posts, perhaps "shit poasts" are exclusive to the alt-right and white supremacists, whose vernacular isn't a particular concern of mine and doesn't mean shit at any rate, being such a small minority and all. Ferret out whose "poasted" what since coming back from their respective disciplinary actions and your claims fall flat, again, not a particular concern of mine, let's both just keep doing what we do and see what happens from there, punchy.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Shit posts are shit posts, perhaps "shit poasts" are exclusive to the alt-right and white supremacists, whose vernacular isn't a particular concern of mine and doesn't mean shit at any rate, being such a small minority and all. Ferret out whose "poasted" what since coming back from their respective disciplinary actions and your claims fall flat, again, not a particular concern of mine, let's both just keep doing what we do and see what happens from there, punchy.

*lol*

 

[Mayhem]

Retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, who led Katrina relief, slams response to Puerto Rico

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/retire...katrina-relief-slams-response-to-puerto-rico/

President Trump praised his administration's response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico on Friday. That view is not shared by retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, who led relief efforts in New Orleans after Katrina.

CBS News correspondent Michelle Miller spoke with Honore in New Orleans on Friday.

"Is Puerto Rico worse than what you found here in Katrina?" Miller asked.

"Oh, hell yeah," Honore said. "The number one priority is saving lives and when you're saving lives, you've gotta figure out what rules you're gonna break. All the rules we live by are designed for peacetime."

"And this is what?" Miller asked.

"This is like a war," he said.

"What was their first mistake?" Miller asked.

"Not giving the mission to the military," Honore said. "Look, we got Army units that go do port openings. Not called. We got special forces that could've been in every town. Not employed."

"Has the U.S. government done anything right? Did they learn lessons from Katrina?" Miller asked.

"They did the pre-deployment. That was good. They got an all-of-government approach. That's good. But they don't understand scale," he said.

He calls Mr. Trump's response slow and small. Honore was hailed as a hero after he went into the Gulf states after Katrina and put the relief efforts in order.

"Y'all looking at a damn calendar in Washington. I'm looking at a damn watch," he said.

"Would you clear the roads first? Would you get the power grid up? Or is it all simultaneous?" Miller asked.

"This is not a sequential operation. I would tell the local mayors to start hiring people, get a yellow pad out and we clear the damn roads. Clear 'em the old way," he said. "You got 80 men with hand tools going to clear a road, they'll clear five miles a day."

After returning from his fact-finding mission in Puerto Rico next week, the general says he's going to Washington:

"I'm going to see Sen. McCain and Sen. Graham and we're gonna write some s--- in the Defense Authorization Bill, that every hurricane come, we will have a task force to follow it in."

Honore says lessons learned must lead to better response.

Debate that one, Skippy.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, who led Katrina relief, slams response to Puerto Rico

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/retire...katrina-relief-slams-response-to-puerto-rico/



Debate that one, Skippy.

Russel Honore' is a liberal Democrat, with his eye on the governor's office.
There's your debate Giuseppe. I guess next you're gonna tell us that Mayor Cruz is non partisan.

I'm surprised you weren't aware of General Honore's political bent, being you both served in the same Army and all.

 

[ApolloBalboa]

Russel Honore' is a liberal Democrat, with his eye on the governor's office.
There's your debate Giuseppe. I guess next you're gonna tell us that Mayor Cruz is non partisan.

I'm surprised you weren't aware of General Honore's political bent, being you both served in the same Army and all.

Yeah....2 years ago. Considering there hasn't been any further mention on his part of a foray into politics, I don't think your argument holds any water.

Even if it did (and that's besides the fact), someone can't criticize the President's reaction to a disaster without having an ulterior motive? I suppose when Michael Brown criticized Obama for acting too quickly with Hurricane Sandy, he knew what he was talking about (Heckuva job, Brownie ) and wasn't just trying to get the spotlight on himself. When Limbaugh said Obama did his job for a couple days just to look presidential, I'm sure he was saying that out of concern for those who were affected and not merely trying to get attention or a ratings boost.

Yeah, you're right, there really can be no valid criticism directed at the Commander in Chief, everyone who speaks up is a self-serving asshole.

 

[xfire]

*lol*

All things considered, that's an appropriate response, though not for the reasons you most likely think. Laughter is the best medicine, after all, in lieu of crying. Perhaps you should revisit the "Bannon Out" thread, there's a lot of lessons for you there, as well as some humble pie. It's always entertaining to see Harry and Lloyd giving each other high fives.

 

[Mayhem]

Well now you've done it Apollo. When you stand up to Cornpone Socrates over here, you deem yourself, "incapable of debate."

BTW genius, (back to talking to BC, Apollo you 'n' me, we cool), it was 2009, he was considering it, it was the Senate aaand he would have run as a Republican.

I guess next you're gonna tell us that Mayor Cruz is non partisan.

I don't have too. I'll let people who know do it for me:

Politics in Puerto Rico are completely different than the mainland, with completely different parties." Yarimar Bonilla, an anthropologist at Rutgers University

Last year, Bonilla surveyed 1,000 residents of the island. Most had no affiliation with Republicans or Democrats, and many had little understanding of either party.

"Complaining about people on the island not having food, electricity, water is not partisan. That's just basic human necessity." Amilcar Barreto, a Puerto Rican political expert at Northeastern University

That's my debate skills Cletus. Facts from people who know facts. Not venom spewed by disgruntled mouth breathers working out of a strip mall in Raleigh-Durham.

I'm surprised you weren't aware of General Honore's political bent, being you both served in the same Army and all.

Yes Lemuel, I was personally acquainted with every General in the Army. We played cribbage on Wednesdays. Gen. Honore' himself once said to me, "Dude! Wicked good game brah! And I hear you're a Liberal Democrat too. Have some pineapple chunks." One of the highlights of my life. It's right there in my diary.

Dat Marine daddy tho.