Photographer Bernd Daktari Lorenz (of Bettie Ballhaus, Milena Velba, et al.) ...

Your opionion of Bernd Daktari Lorenz's work? (1 = lowest, 10 = highest)

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I want to start a "Talk" thread dedicated to photographer Bernd Daktari Lorenz. You'll find his Babepedia page here:
http://www.boobpedia.com/boobs/Bernd_Daktari_Lorenz

He started by discovering Bettie Ballhaus and started her site, although they split in 2004. Since then, he's photographed -- some exclusively -- these many other women which are also listed at Babepedia in a category just for him:
http://www.boobpedia.com/boobs/Category:Bernd_Daktari_Lorenz_models

I think Mr. Lorenz has utterly perfected the photography of the voluptuous form, well outside of any post-processing. He understands that when dealing with the models he photographs, the women make the clothes and the clothes hug the curves. He knows how to dress such curves, photograph from the correct angles -- all around as well as perfecting the frontal, back from side and other positions. He started in the '80s and seemingly went beyond the common Playboy pose and scenes (which are now cliche and Playboy itself avoids) and added far more originality, scene, contrast and highlighted the curvature of the woman as a whole, in her surroundings. I haven't seen this in any other outfit, although some photographers with DDF are almost as good in bringing out the best in curves, but still different (do they use Lorenz?).

He does this without massive focus on the breast and total avoidance of close-ups on the genitalia in general, unlike virtually every other, major publication house photograher in the adult industry. Even his bondage scenes are erotic, and I'm not into bondage. He avoids the "extreme sex" and "extreme focus" and seems to get it right in focus on the extreme curves and presence of the woman as a whole. Whether the woman is 36+-24-36 or 40+-30-40, the results are unique and extremely lustful to a new level, at least for myself.

Not only does his work with Bettie Ballhaus, Milena Velba (who is an exclusive) and Nadine Jansen which top many favorites, but his Tanya Song (fka Anna Song) and Katarina Hartlova (aka Kathy Kozy) work is absolutely their best shots. And then you have some, additional exclusives like Anna Marie and Sunny Wagner -- I absolutely love his work with Sunny, especially as she's widened and become extremely, drop-dead georgeous. I absolutely love his more recent sets of Angela White, who has always been the classic figure that has been making my draw drop ever since I first saw her at 18 (and took Voluptuous magazine's top title last year). I honestly wish Chloe Vevrier would use him, or at least stop the overkill airbrushing. I know she just hit 40, but damn, she's looking the best she ever did (including very much above the neck).

If God Herself could best paint a picture of Her most heavenly creations for the desire of every man from afar, She'd have results much on point with Lorenz, or at least Lorenz comes as close as he could in my book. About my only criticism is that some of the women in some of the scenes could use a tad less make-up, at they have natural beauty. At the same time, I will fully admit his scenes are both well complementary and the resulting skin and other tones in the scene quite contrasted perfectly with the make-up. Art is not always about bringing about the ultimate beauty in the woman, but setting a complete scene that is of ultimate beauty. I, for one, will say he has master the woman as the beautiful, often classy, centerpiece in any of his work.
 

Torre82

Moderator \ Jannie
Staff member
I have little patience and my toleration of teasing is at a minimum.. many netizens have been denied the goods for far too long for their fetish-girls. Next Door Nikki, Milena Velba, etc.

Some stick around.. some wander to others who actually show some nudity/slit. (Milena to Nadine, etc) His work is fine. His avoidance of hole is not. For teasing the masses for years.. he gets a 1. The human body is not a bottle of wine that is assured to get better with age. You show it while it is there. Milena hasnt lost her beauty but it's only a matter of time. Show it. Repeatedly. or GTFO.
 
He does show pink shots at times, but I like his way to hide them between other shots, so they become rare and precious. I am sure that the few photographs where you see a little more of Milena Velba did not slip through "censorship" by accident, but were well chosen.

I could not agree more about the way Lorenz does his photos. I like the DDFBusty style too; they (but to a less extent than Lorenz) seem to be able to show a woman's beauty without making her a parody of herself - like Scoreland does. I am sad every time I hear a model starts to work with Scoreland. In my opinion they lack a kind of sensitivity for the model and try to press her into the phantasies of some of their photographers. I recognise a Scoreland picture when I see it. But I am delighted when I see a Lorenz picture. That's the difference.

Regards

Prophecy
 

Torre82

Moderator \ Jannie
Staff member
An excellent photographer, captures the best moments.. respects the girls.

Cue moment of truth mired in crass wording: We wanna see some cunt.
 
An excellent photographer, captures the best moments.. respects the girls.

Cue moment of truth mired in crass wording: We wanna see some cunt.

Well, his e-mail address is mentioned on all of his sites - perhaps you just drop him a line? ;)

Prophecy
 

Torre82

Moderator \ Jannie
Staff member
Well, his e-mail address is mentioned on all of his sites - perhaps you just drop him a line? ;)

Prophecy

How would you respectully say 'I love your work, love your models, but stop being so shy.. very shy.. bordering on gay.. about showing off some beautiful pussy' in german?
 
How would you respectully say 'I love your work, love your models, but stop being so shy.. very shy.. bordering on gay.. about showing off some beautiful pussy' in german?

I guess it's not so much Lorenz's decision - some models did show pink several times. I guess it's just Milena who has a child and a husband who decided to put some limits to the photos that are taken of her. I think we'll have to respect that.

But besides - as all the sites are written in English, I think he'll understand well what you are talking about. Ah, by the way, when you write him - include my wish for more latex pictures, will you be so kind? :)

Prophecy
 

Torre82

Moderator \ Jannie
Staff member
I guess it's not so much Lorenz's decision - some models did show pink several times. I guess it's just Milena who has a child and a husband who decided to put some limits to the photos that are taken of her. I think we'll have to respect that.

But besides - as all the sites are written in English, I think he'll understand well what you are talking about. Ah, by the way, when you write him - include my wish for more latex pictures, will you be so kind? :)

Prophecy

Respect the decision? Yes. For a time. Patience only lasts so long and as many who are fans will volunteer openly... she needs to show more. Doesnt have to be a dildo-cam shot that gives us a clear view of her cervix while we wank to it for ten minutes. Just some more slit. I've seen her amazing tits a thousand times. They're incredible. I've seen the beach set, the newer sets... I've gazed upon her slit and noticed it's equally as beautiful as her tits. Trim, not too lippy.. not too bushy.. it needs appreciation!
 
Maybe ...

Respect the decision? Yes. For a time. Patience only lasts so long and as many who are fans will volunteer openly... she needs to show more.
Maybe she doesn't want to. Maybe she wants fans who appreciate her body, and to who it doesn't matter if she shows pink. The woman's curves rock my world, and I don't mean just her breasts.

Lorenz does an absolutely beautiful job for making women beautiful and erotic, and it doesn't even cross my mind whether they show pink or not. I don't need pink to let myself drop into fantasy of becoming one with her body.

In fact, I ate a lot of pussy before my wife and I eat a lot of my wife's pussy now and I don't need to see pink to get hard at all. In fact, it's the anticipation and even pubic hair coverage that really makes it exciting for me before I do eat.

Doesnt have to be a dildo-cam shot that gives us a clear view of her cervix while we wank to it for ten minutes. Just some more slit. I've seen her amazing tits a thousand times. They're incredible. I've seen the beach set, the newer sets... I've gazed upon her slit and noticed it's equally as beautiful as her tits. Trim, not too lippy.. not too bushy.. it needs appreciation!
Then Lorenz is probably not for you. If you want to talk about her tits and slit, you're missing the beauty of his work. The man can take non-nude sets and I'd get off so damn good, especially with this choice in women for his shots, let alone how he uses them to maximum, erotic effect.
 

Angela White

Official Checked Star Member
Hi Guys,

As per Profs request on another thread: http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2907552&postcount=197
I am here to say a word about my experience with Daktari.

He is a really great photographer that truly cares about his work. The reason that you rarely see a dud photo in his sets is that he dedicates a whole day to just one shoot and wont stop until he can capture the image in his mind. Additionally he is a really nice guy.
 

Angela White

Official Checked Star Member
I haven't seen this in any other outfit, although some photographers with DDF are almost as good in bringing out the best in curves, but still different (do they use Lorenz?).

NO! Daktari likes to keep his photographs exclusive to his models websites. The main photographer for DDF is Denys Defrancesco himself. You can read about DDF photographers here: http://ddfprod.com/?mainpage=photographers

. His avoidance of hole is not. For teasing the masses for years.. he gets a 1. The human body is not a bottle of wine that is assured to get better with age. You show it while it is there. Milena hasnt lost her beauty but it's only a matter of time. Show it. Repeatedly. or GTFO.

To set the record straight Milena and Nadine DO NOT WANT to show their 'holes' as you so elegantly put it. But Tanya Song is quite happy to so you will see some of her 'hole' on her new Daktari website before she 'loses her beauty' and turns sour like old milk. C'mon Torre have a little respect for the models who are putting themselves out there to give you guys pleasure. It's THEIR choice what they do or don't show. If you don't like they way a girl models move onto the next one. :2 cents:

Anyway, in the long run it's not your words that matter to me. Call it a pussy, a cunt, a hole, whatever; it's your misogynistic view of women that offends me. Physical beauty is all that matters to you, it's obvious when reading the line 'Milena hasnt lost her beauty but it's only a matter of time' - obviously you believe that beauty is only on the outside.... but I guess it is extremely naive of ME to think that you, or the majority of porn viewers in general, actually remember that there is a person behind the 'hole' the tits or the cunt (or even care). So perhaps I am the one with the problem.
:dunno:

...they (but to a less extent than Lorenz) seem to be able to show a woman's beauty without making her a parody of herself - like Scoreland does. I am sad every time I hear a model starts to work with Scoreland. In my opinion they lack a kind of sensitivity for the model and try to press her into the phantasies of some of their photographers. I recognise a Scoreland picture when I see it. But I am delighted when I see a Lorenz picture. That's the difference.

Hey Prophecy,

I totally respect that you don't like The SCORE Group's photography, each to their own. But I can assure you that they don't actually "try to press models into the phantasies of some of their photographers". You may have been talking on a metaphorical level but just in case you weren't I just wanted to set the record straight and say that there is no 'pressure' for a model to do anything while working in SCORE. At least my experience with SCORE has always been great.

Is there any examples you can give me of a SCORE model "making her a parody of herself"? You can say me if you want! HA hA! :1orglaugh :laugh: No, seriously, I'm just curious why you personally don't like SCORE - the lighting, the make-up, the poses, the locations etc?


Anyway guys hope you continue the debate, it's fun to get feisty in the morning!

Love Angie xox
:wave:
 
No, seriously, I'm just curious why you personally don't like SCORE - the lighting, the make-up, the poses, the locations etc?

You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway, because I've given this question some thought. Score has exactly my type of models, so I should be a loyal fan. However, the way their photography is done turns me off completely. Cheap is the word that describes it best, I'm afraid - not referring to production value but to taste. The excessive make up, the tacky decors, and the lighting all make a Score picture instantly recognizable, but in a negative way for anyone who prefers real women over women that have been made to look like dolls.

But then again, who am I? I'm into polaroid nudes these days... :yesyes:

Zed
 
Hi Guys,
As per Profs request on another thread: http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2907552&postcount=197
I am here to say a word about my experience with Daktari.
I really appreciate you taking the time. I know I can seemingly be both "demanding" and "selfish" in both the length and sheer verbosity (possibly redundancy on points) in my posts as well as the requests I make. As I always say, people are free to skip my posts and requests and I take absolutely no offense.

Side Note: The only time I may take offense is when people often try to summarize my posts, often wrongly, because they apply assumptions of common views that utterly do not apply to my way of thinking.

He is a really great photographer that truly cares about his work. The reason that you rarely see a dud photo in his sets is that he dedicates a whole day to just one shoot and wont stop until he can capture the image in his mind. Additionally he is a really nice guy.
That's key. He's not rushed by schedule and compensation.

He is the true to the spirit of the less common appreciated meaning of "amateur." I prefer the work of lifelong, dedicated "amateurs" -- who are clearly the most expert of them all -- than those who have been trained in short time as "professionals," and not nearly as experienced or exposed to a lifelong series of experimentation. He has come as close to perfecting erotic as I think any mortal can, at least in my book.

The fact that he makes the model feel comfortable ("nice guy") is a nice bonus. I'm sure it has a lot to do with his time, patience and ease which probably rubs off on the model as well. I.e., I assume most women would rather spend 3 hours with him than 30 minutes (maybe only 3 minutes) with others.

NO! Daktari likes to keep his photographs exclusive to his models websites. The main photographer for DDF is Denys Defrancesco himself. You can read about DDF photographers here: http://ddfprod.com/?mainpage=photographers
I figured as such, but sometimes DDF does seem to do some great work. I just love Lorenz's style, especially as I've see him try different things over the years.

To set the record straight Milena and Nadine DO NOT WANT to show their 'holes' as you so elegantly put it.
This is why I love OCSMs being around, we get the "straight dope." Even if only "second-hand" from a model about another, it's still better than alleged "second hand" from any average, non-OCSM member here. ;)

But Tanya Song is quite happy to so you will see some of her 'hole' on her new Daktari website before she 'loses her beauty' and turns sour like old milk. C'mon Torre have a little respect for the models who are putting themselves out there to give you guys pleasure. It's THEIR choice what they do or don't show. If you don't like they way a girl models move onto the next one. :2 cents:
But wait!

Tongue-in-cheek=ON
We guys know what the woman should do to be more popular! Why won't they listen to us? We don't want to move on to the next model (at least not before she shows us the goods), we want her to realize she should before its too late!
Tongue-in-cheek=OFF

Yeah, I saw that and I'm like, "huh?" But I didn't want to start something. I really don't understand this, "oh, but if she would have only shown that pink earlier!" And if she does, then it's "damn, she should have started fucking earlier in her career!" And it never ends. I honestly don't understand it, especially since "the pink" doesn't really change with time in my view.

Anyway, in the long run it's not your words that matter to me. Call it a pussy, a cunt, a hole, whatever; it's your misogynistic view of women that offends me.
Not to be an AOL'er type "Me too!" or "Yeah!" but I don't know how many times I can tell people that "vulgarity" comes in many forms, and it's typically not in the actual words used, but how they come together, which explains attitude.

Physical beauty is all that matters to you, it's obvious when reading the line 'Milena hasnt lost her beauty but it's only a matter of time' - obviously you believe that beauty is only on the outside....
Actually, physical beauty means a lot to me, so I'll actually take a side discussion there. I find women are beautiful in so many difference ways as they age, physically.

As some may have seen me mention before, when I hit 18, I started dating women over twice my age. I loved them. I loved so many attributes about aging. I love things about younger women too, but it's not about better/worse. It's about a lifetime of appreciating all those changes, all those distinct features and beauty. To me, it's very erotic.

So when I met my wife when she was 18, and knew I was very likely going to marry her after being with her a few weeks (waited until I graduated from college), I anticipated the physical attraction I would experience as she aged. She's now in her mid 30s and its only getting better. I've had women as aged as their mid 40s, but I don't think my physical lust will end there.

Not to get spiritual, I honestly think God Herself could only create something as erotic and heavenly than experiencing a woman throughout her cycles of life. Not just beauty, but heavenly form, that man may lust for a woman in ways he never realized before, as if fresh and new with each passing year. Yeah, I'm sure people will think I'm corny while others thing I'm sweet, but I'm talking about -- in all honesty and pure selfishness -- the physical attracting I have to at least one woman in my life.

I know that I would have loved to been Milena's lover from early age to years beyond now, based on physical alone. No doubt in my mind. I honestly think God Herself is laughing at this folly of men, and I'm not even talking monogamy, but the beauty he sometimes just shuts out of his mind based on some "programmed" (clearly not instinct, probably media/social-driven) value system that younger is always hotter.

but I guess it is extremely naive of ME to think that you, or the majority of porn viewers in general, actually remember that there is a person behind the 'hole' the tits or the cunt (or even care). So perhaps I am the one with the problem.
Person or not, inside or not, I think men sometimes utterly ignore the raw, instinctive, physical beauty that women carry throughout their lives on the outside as well. It's sad that men themselves take issue with aging out of sheer, well, I honestly don't know what it is.

I totally respect that you don't like The SCORE Group's photography, each to their own. But I can assure you that they don't actually "try to press models into the phantasies of some of their photographers". You may have been talking on a metaphorical level but just in case you weren't I just wanted to set the record straight and say that there is no 'pressure' for a model to do anything while working in SCORE. At least my experience with SCORE has always been great.
Indeed. My points where not that Lorenz is the only good photographer and/or the only one who makes the women feel comfortable, but that he seems to find a way to erotic like no other, at least for myself.
 

Angela White

Official Checked Star Member
In the end I don't think I should have mentioned anything about Torre82min's comment. After all you don't make fans by speaking, only by giggling and squeezing your tits. :shy: But sometimes I can't help but be a little shocked by some peoples attitudes towards women (and I'm not just picking on Torre82min, a lot of men really blow me away).

I guess I'll just keep my comments to myself next time, before someone tells me to "STFU".

I think the popularity of Milf websites are a testament to the fact that there are a lot of guys out there that appreciate mature women! So I don't think you are alone Prof!

xoxoxoxoxox
 
In the end I don't think I should have mentioned anything about Torre82min's comment. After all you don't make fans by speaking, only by giggling and squeezing your tits. :shy: But sometimes I can't help but be a little shocked by some peoples attitudes towards women (and I'm not just picking on Torre82min, a lot of men really blow me away).
I guess I'll just keep my comments to myself next time, before someone tells me to "STFU".
First off, I personally take blame for this. I asked you to respond on the photographer in all sincerest to get your 'inside view,' and I should have recognized some posts may be ones you could take issue with (and then I only egged some of the response on in my own response).

Also, remember some men respond to just get a rise, and what they say is not always how they completely feel, but they make it more vulgar in the old attitude, "thank you sir may I have another." I.e., they want to get smacked for taking a point and making it as offense as possible.

A lot of the "treat women like ladies" gets taken to the point of "never think about sex as it hurts women," and we have a couple of members running around also doing that. So sometimes their posts are a backlash against them too. I personally can't stand them as well, and I won't apologize for being born with the instinct to "fuck women" (to put it purposely vulgar, namely in spite of them).

Everything is in a balance. I'm honestly not judgemental, just dumbfounded how important some things are to some men. They are not remotely important to myself, and I can think all sorts of erotic acts with models based on just non-nude photos. Hell, I still wonder if I put too much into prose regarding Erica Rose Campbell (ERC) awhile back.

I think the popularity of Milf websites are a testament to the fact that there are a lot of guys out there that appreciate mature women! So I don't think you are alone Prof!
I go one step further. I like women over their entire lifecycle. I think my all-time favorite desire to experience from 18 to her current age closing in on 80 is Sophia Loren. I didn't know she was in Grupier Old Men before I saw it, and had to totally ... er, um ... "release some stress" afterwards.

I'm a sucker for lifelong Italian partners, on a pure physical basis (although most are very, erotically driven in my, limited experience as well ;) ).
 
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