Obama quote

[Will E Worm]

He means, he doesn't want his daughter to accept responsibility for her choice.

 

[Friday on my mind]

More often then not daughters life is severly damaged having a baby at a young age and the life of the baby is often very difficult.The sensible thing is for very young people not to be taking on reponsibilities they are totally unequipped for.If she does she suffers,the the child suffers and society suffers.Baby's should only be carried to term by women who want and can accept the responsibility.I think Obama has the correct view.

 

[Will E Worm]

More often then not daughters life is severly damaged having a baby at a young age and the life of the baby is often very difficult.The sensible thing is for very young people not to be taking on reponsibilities they are totally unequipped for.If she does she suffers,the the child suffers and society suffers.Baby's should only be carried to term by women who want and can accept the responsibility.I think Obama has the correct view.

Then if they can't take on the responsibility, They shouldn't be having sex at a young age. Sex can lead to pregnancy, that's why there is no such thing as an "oops" baby.
If the girl becomes pregnant at any age she should keep the child and accept her responsibility. Obama doesn't have the right view. He's a socialist who doesn't like responsibly.

 

[Torre82]

Then if they can't take on the responsibility, They shouldn't be having sex at a young age. Sex can lead to pregnancy, that's why there is no such thing as an "oops" baby.
If the girl becomes pregnant at any age she should keep the child and accept her responsibility. Obama doesn't have the right view. He's a socialist who doesn't like responsibly.

Accepting responsibility doesnt have to be a prison sentence.

"I sentence you to 21 years with this child!"

You do something when you're ready. Getting pregnant happens. People wanna fuck. It's that whole unexpected pregnancy thing that noone plans on when their hormones are raging and you can barely think straight.

Or hell.. You Might be bored and just fuckin' around.

Anyway.. blame Obama all you want. That 49% of the country that's voting there WITH him.. they (very possibly) believe the exact same thing. So think about who you're agreeing with. Not just a prez. nominee.. but millions upon millions of people, too.

 

[ChefChiTown]

I wouldn't want that baby either. It has a friggin' VAGINA on it's HIP!!!

 

[Will E Worm]

Accepting responsibility doesnt have to be a prison sentence.

"I sentence you to 21 years with this child!"
You do something when you're ready. Getting pregnant happens. People wanna fuck.

It's not a "prison sentence". If you have sex you should already know birth control doesn't work 100%.
That's the problem. People want to do something when they aren't thinking straight. Instead of accepting their responsibility, they just want a quick way to get out of it.
Sorry, for their luck. They have sex and become pregnant, they need to have the child, because it's not the child's fault. Think before you do.

Look how many people voted for Bush. Just because other people are voting for Obama doesn't make him the right choice.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Accepting responsibility doesnt have to be a prison sentence.

"I sentence you to 21 years with this child!"

You do something when you're ready. Getting pregnant happens. People wanna fuck. It's that whole unexpected pregnancy thing that noone plans on when their hormones are raging and you can barely think straight.

Or hell.. You Might be bored and just fuckin' around.

Anyway.. blame Obama all you want. That 49% of the country that's voting there WITH him.. they (very possibly) believe the exact same thing. So think about who you're agreeing with. Not just a prez. nominee.. but millions upon millions of people, too.

Yep people need to realize abistenance only does not work to prevent these things.They are going to have sex.More sex ed,wider availability of birth control is what works to decrease unwanted pregnancies.And if even then someone gets pregnant it should be her choice and I would hope adults would encourage the rational choice of terminating the pregnanct.If we are going to have laws on abortion I think it should not be who is allowed to have them but who is allowed not too.We have more than enough humans on the planet.The herd is going to be cut back by nature at some point if we don't restrain it ourselves.

 

[Will E Worm]

More sex ed,wider availability of birth control is what works to decrease unwanted pregnancies.

That has never worked. You can't force someone to listen in any class.
Birth control is not 100%.
People just have to accept responsibility for their actions.
I can't feel sorry for anyone who does something that they know what could happen. "Hormones" or not. Maybe, parents should be held responsible for their children's actions? hmmmm


The laws could just be changed. Let everyone: drive, drink, smoke, do drugs and so on at any age.
There has to be some limits. Just like children who don't have the money to raise a child, shouldn't be having sex. If they do, they need to have the child. Learning the hard way is the only way some people learn anything.

 

[Friday on my mind]

That has never worked. You can't force someone to listen in any class.
Birth control is not 100%.
People just have to accept responsibility for their actions.
I can't feel sorry for anyone who does something that they know what could happen. "Hormones" or not. Maybe, parents should be held responsible for their children's actions? hmmmm


The laws could just be changed. Let everyone: drive, drink, smoke, do drugs and so on at any age.
There has to be some limits. Just like children who don't have the money to raise a child, shouldn't be having sex. If they do, they need to have the child. Learning the hard way is the only way some people learn anything.

Look at any of the european countries who are much more open and realistic about such things and have much more sex ed and availabilty of condoms and it is clear it works to decrease teen pregnancy significantly.They have much lower rates then the US does of such things.We need to take our heads out of the sand and deal with such things rationally and with what is proven works.All this saying they shouldn't be having sex is a failed approach.Sure encourage that, but accept the reality almost everyone is going to have sex in their teens as some point.

 

[Will E Worm]

Look at any of the european countries who are much more open and realistic about such things and have much more sex ed and availabilty of condoms and it is clear it works to decrease teen pregnancy significantly.

They could just be lowering them to make themselves look better.
I really don't care. Teens being sexually active when they aren't able to deal with the outcome is wrong. Giving someone the option of murder is also wrong. They will just have to deal with their choices.
Bottom line.

 

[z000m]

Then if they can't take on the responsibility, They shouldn't be having sex at a young age. Sex can lead to pregnancy, that's why there is no such thing as an "oops" baby.
If the girl becomes pregnant at any age she should keep the child and accept her responsibility. Obama doesn't have the right view. He's a socialist who doesn't like responsibility.

If the conservatives who oppose abortion would get behind sex ed that would actually TEACH kids about this kind of responsibility at appropriate ages (as Obama has), they might have a leg to stand on. As it is, they want it both ways: Abstinence-only sex ed, leading to kids having sex without protection or education, which leads to babies being had, which aforementioned conservatives want brought to term... said babies can and will severely mess up a girl's life and the baby will most likely grow up to be just like her mommy...

To quote George Carlin: "These conservatives... will do anything for the unborn. ... But once you're born, you're on your own!"

Ironically, if liberals had their way about sex ed, there would be fewer abortions!

So while I agree that people should take responsibility for their actions, we can't hold them to do so until we TEACH them how to! How can a girl take responsibility for the consequences of having sex if all she hears in sex ed class is "Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it!"?

-- Anti-abortion yet pro-choice -- a contradiction??

 

[TheDaniël]

Will E, are your arguments religiously based?

Firstly teens that choose abortion as a solution for unwanted pregnancy do make a choice (which you seem to want) and thus a form of responsibility.

Secondly you advocate life while the biological definition of life is still in debate. The most widely used line after which personhood in assigned to an unborn is well within the fetal stage making this no argument opposing abortion.

If you want to discuss the point at which an unborn is a life to be taking into account, we could well place this line with the massacre of the hundreds of sperm cells with every ejaculation, which many people on this forum, maybe even you, find themselves guilty of.

 

[Will E Worm]

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So while I agree that people should take responsibility for their actions, we can't hold them to do so until we TEACH them how to! How can a girl take responsibility for the consequences of having sex if all she hears in sex ed class is "Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it!"?

Then she does it and finds out, "Oh, I can become pregnant my first time".
I've actually heard girls say that, that have had "regular" sex-ed.

People only listen to what they want to. Especially children.
Sex-ed doesn't work either way. Sorry Sally, you have to have the child you and Billy created. Better luck next time. :hatsoff:

George Carlin, also said we are making children into cult items.

Firstly teens that choose abortion as a solution for unwanted pregnancy do make a choice (which you seem to want) and thus a form of responsibility.

No, they are choosing to get rid of their responsibility.
No one should have the right to murder. If women get a get out of jail free for murder card. I want one to, fair is fair.
If they can choose to have sex at an age they can't financially or emotional deal with the consequences, why don't we just let them do whatever they want. I will not make excuses for people who can't think before they do something and just want to find the easiest way out of something they caused to happen.

 

[TheDaniël]

Will E, you didn't answer my question: are your motives religiously based?

Furthermore you make a very bad discussion, you keep repeating all of your previous arguments instead of going into the reasons people with another point of view have.

I isn't murder because it isn't a child or a human being yet. It doesn't have thoughts yet. For sake of argument we could even consider it a plant at that stage.

 

[maildude]

Wrong words for BO. But I am still pro-choice.

 

[Torre82]

Forcing teens to think is fine. In theory.

But it's like banning alcohol or telling kids not to fuck. If you dont provide a healthy route for them to take.. they'll do it anyway. Sure worked for Palin's daughter, huh?

This same sort of thinking about responsibility is a nice moral high ground.... that DOESNT WORK - kids (anyone under 18 IMO) will do whatever they want. Better to just embrace that fact and hand them a condom, smack them upside the head when they get preggers and then toss her in an abortion clinic. Then make her pay for the operation twice over. Once to the clinic, and again to you.

That's responsibility enough for many American families. Having a future vs. Having a kid.. gee, it's tough enough already in America. Why dont you work to make living wages higher and college courses shorter and more concise as to what you'll actually be doing. That way more moms can actually succeed even with a kid!

 

[scooter]

The baby is still a human life, still innocent. The Obama's grandchild does not deserve the death penalty if mommy decides she doesn't want to keep her knees together. I find it reprehensible that Barack lumped a baby into the same category with STD's. He disgusts me.

 

[usmc071984]

wow. i............ no comment............ god damnit i hate tryin to be politically correct for you people!

 

[Will E Worm]

The baby is still a human life, still innocent. The Obama's grandchild does not deserve the death penalty if mommy decides she doesn't want to keep her knees together. I find it reprehensible that Barack lumped a baby into the same category with STD's. He disgusts me.

Some people do not get it and never will, unfortunately.

I'm glad you do.

wow. i............ no comment............ god damnit i hate tryin to be politically correct for you people!

Political correctness is something a socialist communist would like.

I'm not and never will be. I'm for freedom for everyone.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

First time I've agreed with Will about anything. The only thing I can say about the whole issue is that I hate the fact that it was judicially legislated by a bunch of left leaning judges and that they didn't make it an issue for states to decide.

Now Barry O'bama wants to take away a hospital's right to refuse to perform abortions and many Catholic hospitals will close rather than adhere to that jackassery. (It's my new word. I kind of like it)