NY judge halts Bloomberg ban on large sugary drinks

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/11/ny-judge-halts-bloomberg-ban-on-large-sugary-drinks/



A New York judge is forcing the Bloomberg administration to take a big gulp -- striking down its groundbreaking and controversial limit on the size of sugary drinks in New York City shortly before it was set to take effect.

Manhattan state Supreme Court Justice Milton Tingling wrote in his opinion that the rules are "arbitrary and capricious," applying to only certain beverages and only certain stores.

"The loopholes in this rule effectively defeat the stated purpose of this rule," he wrote, complaining of "uneven enforcement even within a particular City block, much less the City as a whole."

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg plans to appeal, his office said on Twitter shortly after the ruling.

"We believe (the city) has the legal authority and responsibility to tackle causes of the obesity epidemic, which kills 5,000 NYers a year," his office said, voicing confidence that the measure would be upheld.

But Tingling said the city's Board of Health went beyond its authority, and effectively would be "limited by its own imagination" if left unchecked.

"The portion cap rule, if upheld, would create an administrative Leviathan and violate the separation of powers doctrine," by straying into territory that should belong to the elected City Council, not the board appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Tingling wrote.

That, he wrote, "has the potential to be more troubling than sweetened beverages.

In the wake of the ruling, the American Beverage Association said the decision provided a "sigh of relief to New Yorkers and thousands of small businesses in New York City that would have been harmed by this arbitrary and unpopular ban."

The city Board of Health approved the measure in September. Championed by Bloomberg, it follows on other efforts his administration has made to improve New Yorkers' eating habits, from compelling chain restaurants to post calorie counts on their menus to barring artificial trans fats in restaurant food to prodding food manufacturers to use less salt.

The city has said that while restaurant inspectors would start enforcing the soda size rule in March, they wouldn't seek fines -- $200 for a violation -- until June.

Soda makers, restaurateurs, movie theater owners and other business groups sued, asking a judge to declare the measure invalid. In February, they asked Tingling to bar the city from enforcing the regulation while the suit played out.

City officials have called the size limit a pioneering move for public health. They point to the city's rising obesity rate -- about 24 percent of adults, up from 18 percent in 2002 -- and to studies tying sugary drinks to weight gain. Care for obesity-related illnesses costs government health programs about $2.8 billion a year in New York City alone, according to city Health Commissioner Dr. Thomas Farley.

The supersize-drink crackdown will "have significant public health effects, and the sooner that happens, the better," city lawyer Mark W. Muschenheim said in court in February.

Critics said the measure is too limited to make a meaningful impact on New Yorkers' waistlines. But they said it would take a bite out of business for the eateries that have to comply, while other establishments still will get sell sugary drinks in 2-liter bottles and supersize cups.

Beverage makers had expected to spend about $600,000 changing bottles and labels, movie theater owners feared losing soda sales that account for 20 percent of their profits, and delis and restaurants would have had to change inventory, reprint menus and make other adjustments, according to court papers.

"These are costs which these businesses are not going to be compensated for," and the money will be wasted if the court ultimately nixes the law, James E. Brandt, a lawyer for the American Beverage Association and other opponents, told the judge in February.

Critics also said the restriction should have gone before the elected City Council instead of the Bloomberg-appointed health board. The city says the panel of doctors and other health professionals had both the authority and expertise to make the decision.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 

bobjustbob

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The People's Republic of New York have had enough. He knew he couldn't get this past the city council because they will be coming up for re-election. Not mentioned in the article was that Bloomberg hustled a press conference together 1/2 hour after the ruling. Spoiled little kid stamping his feet after being told no. He's ready to appeal and spend money and hold his breath till he turns blue in the face till he gets his way. Up your ass Mike.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Thank God common sense ultimately prevailed here. People have the right to ingest whatever they wish and in any quantity they wish as long as they do not infringe on the rights of other in doing so. Stay out of my private life, government!!!!
 

Rattrap

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Thank God common sense ultimately prevailed here. People have the right to ingest whatever they wish and in any quantity they wish as long as they do not infringe on the rights of other in doing so. Stay out of my private life, government!!!!
I agree with this...though it ironically leads to supporting a single-payer/universal/something-we-don't-have healthcare system. Well, depending on your disposition. You either:
  1. Support one's right to abuse themselves to any extent and then you get to pay for it (what we have now)
  2. To avoid paying for the above, don't support one's right to abuse themselves (what Bloomberg is going for)
  3. Support one's right to abuse themselves and make sure one is paying for it (a single-payer/universal system)
There is, of course, a 4th option, which is to repeal the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act signed by Reagan (the one Rey C frequently mentioned, if I'm not mistaken) and get situations like this:


Personally, I'm a fan of option 3. It's working well here in Europe. Though to be fair, I do not know where I could find a 72 oz soda...
 
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I agree with this...though it ironically leads to supporting a single-payer/universal/something-we-don't-have healthcare system. Well, depending on your disposition. You either:
  1. Support one's right to abuse themselves to any extent and then you get to pay for it (what we have now)
  2. To avoid paying for the above, don't support one's right to abuse themselves (what Bloomberg is going for)
  3. Support one's right to abuse themselves and make sure one is paying for it (a single-payer/universal system)
There is, of course, a 4th option, which is to repeal the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act signed by Reagan (the one Rey C frequently mentioned, if I'm not mistaken) and get situations like this:


Personally, I'm a fan of option 3. It's working well here in Europe. Though to be fair, I do not know where I could find a 72 oz soda...

Actually there is yet another option. Support everybody right to make their own decisions, have universal health care and socialized medicine, but also make people that willingly due things that put there health in risk (like smoking or being highly obese) that's above what is reasonable pay more for that benefit and/or have a reduced amount their health care is paid for by the system.

That way people can be free to make their own informed choices, but also have to face reasonable consequences for what they choose. Those that make wise choices will still have the support they need instead of being denied it due to no reasonable fault of their own, but those that due unwise things don't completely get a free ride compared to others.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Actually there is yet another option. Support everybody right to make their own decisions, have universal health care and socialized medicine, but also make people that willingly due things that put there health in risk (like smoking or being highly obese) that's above what is reasonable pay more for that benefit and/or have a reduced amount their health care is paid for by the system.
In my days of dreaming up ideal healthcare systems, this is actually pretty much what I come up with. There is a massive challenge, however, in deciding thresholds of how much of which behaviors constitutes higher costs. How fat is too fat? How much drinking is too much? Considering how the obese have fought having to pay for two seats when they don't fit into one, just imagine the lobbying here!

The problem stated, I still fully agree with you. I think it has the potential to be the best balance of personal responsibility without teetering into Darwinism.
 

bobjustbob

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You want the answer to the obesity problem? Ban all restaurants and sales of prepared meals. All solid food is to be sold in it's raw form frozen or fresh. Cook it yourself. Everyone gets to eat as they wish. Happy with that?
 
Just took a plane flight last night. I had an aisle seat, but I was forced to lean into the aisle and have the left side of my body contorted through the whole flight because the fat ass in the middle row took up 1/3 of my seat.
He did this while scarfing down potato chips and sucking down a 20 oz. reg coke. I'm being a little mean because my back still hurts because of the flight next to him and judging from his diet that I couldn't miss, he does not have a thyroid problem, he has a diet problem.

Now, I'm against the law on general principles of limiting liberties.

However, if it made ol' fat ass a little less of a fat ass, then maybe there would be an up side. His eating and drinking habits aren't just affecting him. They affected me last night and I'm cranky now. Some people I'm sure have medical issues that make them larger. I suspect most just eat too much crap.
 

Kingfisher

Here Zombie, Zombie, Zombie...
Thank God common sense ultimately prevailed here. People have the right to ingest whatever they wish and in any quantity they wish as long as they do not infringe on the rights of other in doing so. Stay out of my private life, government!!!!

So... Bullets bad? Diabetes and high insurance premiums for everyone because of overweight people, good?
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Just took a plane flight last night. I had an aisle seat, but I was forced to lean into the aisle and have the left side of my body contorted through the whole flight because the fat ass in the middle row took up 1/3 of my seat.
He did this while scarfing down potato chips and sucking down a 20 oz. reg coke. I'm being a little mean because my back still hurts because of the flight next to him and judging from his diet that I couldn't miss, he does not have a thyroid problem, he has a diet problem.

Now, I'm against the law on general principles of limiting liberties.

However, if it made ol' fat ass a little less of a fat ass, then maybe there would be an up side. His eating and drinking habits aren't just affecting him. They affected me last night and I'm cranky now. Some people I'm sure have medical issues that make them larger. I suspect most just eat too much crap.

I can sure relate to the experience you describe. I also hate it when I sit next to someone who smells bad. Sometimes the price of freedom is quite unpleasant.

So... Bullets bad? Diabetes and high insurance premiums for everyone because of overweight people, good?

What do you mean "Bullets bad"? Like the old Washington Bullets of the NBA? :confused:

If laws are based on making lower insurance premiums the priority, a helluva lot more things than serving large quantities of soda pop will be outlawed. You're in favor of that line of thinking? :dunno:
 

alaredo

Banned
This was a dumb-ass restriction in the first place. You can not call this a free country if you don't have the freedom to drink any size soft drink that you want. These types of things are what take this country one step closer to completely throwing out the very freedoms that make this the United States. Couldn't buy a 2 liter to drink so they believe this would prevent obesity and health problems... Apparently Bloomberg doesnt realize that the insane amount of sugary foods and fatty diets we have still contibutes, "just a little bit," to the health problems here in the U.S... lol
 

Mayhem

Banned
Just took a plane flight last night. I had an aisle seat, but I was forced to lean into the aisle and have the left side of my body contorted through the whole flight because the fat ass in the middle row took up 1/3 of my seat.
He did this while scarfing down potato chips and sucking down a 20 oz. reg coke. I'm being a little mean because my back still hurts because of the flight next to him and judging from his diet that I couldn't miss, he does not have a thyroid problem, he has a diet problem.

Now, I'm against the law on general principles of limiting liberties.

However, if it made ol' fat ass a little less of a fat ass, then maybe there would be an up side. His eating and drinking habits aren't just affecting him. They affected me last night and I'm cranky now. Some people I'm sure have medical issues that make them larger. I suspect most just eat too much crap.

I would have caused a stink. I would have called the stewardess over and told her I paid for all my seat and lard-ass needs to be moved somewhere else, like the cargo hold... or a different flight......or his own plane.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
I am not a not the healthiest eater in the world but a very long time ago I weened myself off of sugar. No sweetener in my coffee. the milk or cream is enough. Deserts don't turn me on. I only drink diet beverages. Sure artificial sweeteners are bad for me but if I can save 120 calories on a bottle of soda and get the same sweet taste then I'll cut those calories off my waist. It isn't hard to get used to the taste for anyone I know that has tried it. It also eliminates the rush and fall to crave sweetness. I think most people can make the switch but in no way would I think to make regulations about it. Remember when Bloomberg wanted to create a sugar tax on beverages? That shit fell through too. I know where his heart is when it comes to healthier eating but don't use your political weight to advance your agenda. He's a media mogal. Surely he can come up with advertising to effectivly march his cause.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I would have caused a stink. I would have called the stewardess over and told her I paid for all my seat and lard-ass needs to be moved somewhere else, like the cargo hold... or a different flight......or his own plane.

Ah ah ah!! :nono: "Causing a stink" on an airliner is a really good way to get taken off the plane in handcuffs. That way, lard-ass can have your seat as well. :1orglaugh

I know what you mean though. Asking very politely if there was any way another seat could be provided for you due to the situation would be the proper course of action. Technically, the airline is supposed to make the offending overweight individual buy two seats. However, if they don't and the flight attendant (most of the "stewardesses" are gay guys now) just shrugs and says there aren't any open seats available, you are just plain shit out of luck and stuck next to lard-ass no matter what. Ahhhh, what a glamorous life it is to be a jet-setter!!
 
Bloomberg needs to construct a giant mama bird to pick the food, chew it, then distribute it into the mouths of the people. If he gets any more controlling the bird will also digest the food with it dispensed through the other end.
 

bobjustbob

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Funny how much faith and respect Bloomberg had for the court when they ruled in his favor last month with the school bus strike. I hope the people of this city learn their lesson and make a more careful decision in the coming election. Then again I'm still waiting on my birthday pony.
 

Kingfisher

Here Zombie, Zombie, Zombie...
What do you mean "Bullets bad"? Like the old Washington Bullets of the NBA? :confused:

If laws are based on making lower insurance premiums the priority, a helluva lot more things than serving large quantities of soda pop will be outlawed. You're in favor of that line of thinking? :dunno:

I was referencing NY's recent 9 round magazine ban. Personally, I shouldn't have to pay for someone's cigarette smoking, diabetes-ingesting lifestyle. Maybe someone should look at the insurance companies rather than push endless laws down our throats and reward bad behavior of people who have no self control.

How about this. Point out that in soda there's as many chemicals as in a generic cigarette.
 

bobjustbob

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Thinking that a tax would in any way reduce health care or insurance costs is a misnomer. Sure the money is earmarked for health care, but it isn't added money to the budget. They do this all of the time with these designated taxes. Revenue from the NY state lottery goes directly to education. These are not billions added for more programs, it is a supplement to the budget. Money that would have come from the general fund and property taxes. More money the politicians can spend on their bridges to nowhere. Sugary soft drinks are not the only reason people are fat. Banning and taxing won't solve anything.
 
Thinking that a tax would in any way reduce health care or insurance costs is a misnomer. Sure the money is earmarked for health care, but it isn't added money to the budget. They do this all of the time with these designated taxes. Revenue from the NY state lottery goes directly to education. These are not billions added for more programs, it is a supplement to the budget. Money that would have come from the general fund and property taxes. More money the politicians can spend on their bridges to nowhere. Sugary soft drinks are not the only reason people are fat. Banning and taxing won't solve anything.

Taxing would act more as a deterrent than a fundraiser, though. Banning something indicates you don't want it being used, but it's also a totalitarian move that people will always chafe under. Taxing something so it's more expensive limits its consumption in a concrete manner, and a lower overall intake of the stuff would indirectly affect health care by reducing (marginally but still) the number of cases of, say, type 2 diabetes or morbid obesity that need to be paid for. Whether the money raised for the tax is used for health or not, if high-sugar drinks cost more, less will be consumed.
 
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