Mother Sets Fire to Daughter's Rapist (He died from the injuries)

[Marlo Manson]

I would be pissed, but I wouldn't set fire to a man only for him to die. I wouldn't punnish him for the mistake by the judicial system! The man did worng, but should be given the chance to repent his sin.

Now imagine your brother, cousin, son, etc... set on fire and killed for raping a women, when he knew he did wrong.

Anybody I associate with knows better to offend against women, children, the elderly, or innocents! otherwise they gotta deal wit me! that goes for MY family or ANY of my friends! :crash:

I always stand tall for my family and friends. but once you break the code of manship amongst my circle of people you gets outcasted! flatout theirs no excuse nor do I have the patients for this type of behavior from anybody I associate wit! :nono:

I don't play dat shit! if the person I knew were saved from my wrath and jail didn't take the scum piece of shit for a long enough time, I sincerely wouldn't blame a grieving victims relative / friend to set my FORMER family or friend on fire, they commited one of the worst crimes against a female imaginable and I have no patience or remorse for the scum that offends or commits that crime what so ever!

If thats what that grieving soul has to do to seek justice or revenge then thats due JUSTICE! no matter if I like it or not!

It would be tough for me to handle if that were to happen to a former relative or friend, but I would always remember they had it coming, and the justice served from a court of law isn't always good enough for some victims!!

p.s. I might be an asshole, I might be shrude, I might be all kinds of things good and bad! but one thing I am not is a person who condones any crime or disrespect to women, children, elderly, or innocent people! dats my word! :hatsoff:

 

[hedonis]

It is wrong to take the law into your own hands. Vigilatism & mob justice are not a road society should go down.

No sir- it is *illegal* to take the law into your own hands.

Right or wrong- that's a point of view.

I do agree with you that this isn't something you should have happening all the time, or that it should replace our current justice system. Because, who's to say what you might do to someone, or their property, that might lead them to exact some street justice on you?

I have a hard time feeling a single bit of sympathy for a man who would commit a crime like this, and act the way he acted. Part of me says "right on, mom", and hands her the gas can.

But yeah, she almost certainly has to get charged with something- even if they acquit her (and my personal bias would be that they DO acquit her)- because what she did, justifiable or not, understandable or not, was to commit a murder.

Personally, I think if you've raped a child, you're one of the lowest forms of life imaginable. As Dennis Miller once observed- "If you ever feel the need to fuck or kill a kid, you need to lean into the strike zone and take one for the team".

:2 cents:


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[Ravenholm]

I can honestly say that I would go to jail for kids of mine. If I had any. It doesn't matter what the situation, you fuck with my family, and when I am done with you, the message will be clear. I'll see to your fate. Jail or no jail, I'll still be alive you wont be. As they dont do the death sentence in the UK. So parents in the UK rejoice. Payback time for any wrong done to your kids is a must.

Fucking remakes :crash:

Not all remakes are bad. I mean, Last House on the Left, was a piece of shit. So there is very little chance of the remake being worse. Infact it has every chance going for it to be better [or just be as bad as the original]. Craven's Last House movie is as bad as I Spit On Your Grave.

 

[Spleen]

I was pointing out how ridiculous the argument of "he started it" is. It obviously worked because you immediately turned to insults, which is usually the first place people go when they have nothing constructive to say.

I turned to insults because your point was DUMB. Hows that for construction.

I repeat: You can't compare an accident to an act of aggression. Not that I expect you to grasp that.

The mental institution where the guy (sane people do not rape 13yr old kids) should have spent the rest of his life now has place for that woman (sane people do not burn other people).

If I had the chance to kill the guy who raped my friend, I would. Sane or not, that is your opinion.

 

[BigHurt35]

I turned to insults because your point was DUMB. Hows that for construction.

I repeat: You can't compare an accident to an act of aggression. Not that I expect you to grasp that.

Who said the pitch to the head was an accident? The comparison is only dumb, in your opinion, because you just want to be angry at the rapist in this case, so you're deflecting any sort of responsibility on the mother's part and putting it all on "justice".

If somebody beat up my son at school, I couldn't get away with kicking the shit out of that kid without consequence. Why? Because there is a difference between revenge and justice.

Oh, and the mother's act of setting the rapist on fire wasn't an accident either. It was pure aggression. Defend her now.

If I had the chance to kill the guy who raped my friend, I would. Sane or not, that is your opinion.

...and then you would go to jail for the rest of your life, because this isn't a barbaric society that allows for such "eye for an eye" acts of revenge to happen without consequence.

Yes, the act of rape is awful, but just because somebody suffers such a hardship doesn't give anybody the right to start killing people. If we lived in a society that "OKd" such acts, then our population would dwindle within weeks. There are millions upon millions of women (in this country alone) that have been raped. If we were to take "justice" into our own hands and kill every rapist, more than half of the people in the United States wouldn't exist anymore, because they would all be murdered.

Here's a question...

If a female teacher had sex with a 12 year old boy, which is technically rape (statutory), should that 12 year old boy's parents have the right to murder the teacher? I mean, she raped him, so in your eyes, the parents should be able to murder the teacher, right?

We don't live in an ancient Roman civilization. We can't just go around killing eachother just because they hurt us, or somebody close to us. That way of life was abandoned for a reason; because people realized that it was barbaric and ill-advised. We have laws that we have to follow. Like it or not, without law, our society would crumble.

 

[Barack Obama]

Good riddance

 

[Spleen]

...and then you would go to jail for the rest of your life, because this isn't a barbaric society that allows for such "eye for an eye" acts of revenge to happen without consequence.

And yet the guy who beat and raped my friend only got 6 months. A roof over his head, a nice bed, two meals a day, lots of friends, and an LCD television. God bless the current justice system.

Let's see what happens when someone you know gets raped.

Who said I'd get caught, anyway?

 

[Facial_King]

No sir- it is *illegal* to take the law into your own hands.

As Dennis Miller once observed- "If you ever feel the need to fuck or kill a kid, you need to lean into the strike zone and take one for the team".

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I would actually be in favor of some innovative way of legitimizing personal revenge by melding it with the criminal justice system. For example, if someone is found guilty of murder, then set up some sort of window of time where any remaining immediate family member could confront the killer and shoot them or something. It would need to be after a cool-down period. Somewhere between 3 months and 5 years - discuss. But then, still, I would have strong reservations about that because, while it would not be state execution, per se, it would be similar and juries can make mistakes (and many times have done so) and in that case you could end up with the victims directly becoming victimizers if they ended up revenge-killing The Wrong Man.

I generally don't think much wisdom can be dredged from Dennis Miller's mind. What he appears to be calling for is people volunteering to be killed simply for having an urge ("feel[ing] the need to fuck or kill") - albeit an evil urge, no doubt. The important distinction that needs to be maintained is between those who merely have evil thoughts and urges (raise your hand if you've never had any!), and those who act on them.

I can honestly say that I would go to jail for kids of mine. If I had any.

Well, assuming your kids would still be alive (not murder victims), that doesn't seem like you're doing them much of a favor - removing a parent from the life of a kid who's already been victimized. Helpful how, exactly?

So, just to clarify my thoughts here. I read the article and sorta felt a raw, primal "yes!" at the thought of what she did - mostly because of how insanely evil it seemed for that guy to TAUNT her like that - but ultimately, I do think it's wrong, and it's a punishment that doesn't really fit the crime. I think maybe a well-placed shot to the crotch with a .45 (or, lacking a gun, slam something dense and heavy on that zone) would suffice. Also, she WAS certainly acting recklessly towards OTHER people when she started the fire in a crowded public joint.

I don't know if I'd say that she - or the rapist dude - are/were "insane" in a true, psychiatric sense, but both crimes do strike me as acts by people who are mentally and emotionally unbalanced.

Maybe some help and therapy - combined with punishment (esp. for the rapist dude), of course - would be more beneficial to both those involved and society rather than just entertaining endless notions of violent revenge. At some point, we devolve into an Itchy and Scratchy realm where everyone attacks everyone all the time.

:2 cents::2 cents:

 

[Member2019]

Unfortunately ...

Let's see what happens when someone you know gets raped.

Unfortunately people don't wait until they are proven guilty in a court of law and serve their time and keep the attitude up. They do it before he is proven guilty.

Worse yet, it's not always the family. The local media here reported the name of an accused about 5 years ago. Some "vigilanties" assaulted the wrong house, the next door neighbor, who was utterly clueless. Luckily his wife got the police there before they killed him. He was in serious, but stable condition at the hospital, although they didn't go into details of what happened to him.

As I said here, I won't justify the attack, but what he did to her could be considered nearly assault without battery, and what she did to him no more than manslaughter as the result

I would actually be in favor of some innovative way of legitimizing personal revenge by melding it with the criminal justice system.

No, that would undo our social fabric. People would justify their actions overnight and, worse yet, sometimes the "confrontation" would lead to other, innocent people getting hurt or killed too! Dude, we don't respond to our criminals with such.

It's in our Bill of Rights, even after being proven guilty of a crime, not just the rights before.

The "cool down period" you go on to mention doesn't address the fact that everyone has a right to a series of appeals. It's why I'm against capital punishment as well. The lawyer cost of appeals for death row immates are very costly. So some states put a limit on appeals and execute them within X years. Texas has fried an innocent man, but they claim "due process" was upheld (which is probably true, but I still don't agree with it).

It's just a shitload cheaper to keep them in jail for the rest of their lives. Especially since the justification for "frying early and frying fast" is to avoid legal fees. That is far more easily done by incarcerating them for life, period, as the appeals are far less and far less rushed (far better due process for not only the criminal, but ensuring the victims don't see him go free out of some bullshit passes/pardons by politicians that have an issue with capital punishment).

 

[Philbert]

I would actually be in favor of some innovative way of legitimizing personal revenge by melding it with the criminal justice system. For example, if someone is found guilty of murder, then set up some sort of window of time where any remaining immediate family member could confront the killer and shoot them or something. It would need to be after a cool-down period. Somewhere between 3 months and 5 years - discuss. But then, still, I would have strong reservations about that because, while it would not be state execution, per se, it would be similar and juries can make mistakes (and many times have done so) and in that case you could end up with the victims directly becoming victimizers if they ended up revenge-killing The Wrong Man.

I generally don't think much wisdom can be dredged from Dennis Miller's mind. What he appears to be calling for is people volunteering to be killed simply for having an urge ("feel[ing] the need to fuck or kill") - albeit an evil urge, no doubt. The important distinction that needs to be maintained is between those who merely have evil thoughts and urges (raise your hand if you've never had any!), and those who act on them.



Well, assuming your kids would still be alive (not murder victims), that doesn't seem like you're doing them much of a favor - removing a parent from the life of a kid who's already been victimized. Helpful how, exactly?

So, just to clarify my thoughts here. I read the article and sorta felt a raw, primal "yes!" at the thought of what she did - mostly because of how insanely evil it seemed for that guy to TAUNT her like that - but ultimately, I do think it's wrong, and it's a punishment that doesn't really fit the crime. I think maybe a well-placed shot to the crotch with a .45 (or, lacking a gun, slam something dense and heavy on that zone) would suffice. Also, she WAS certainly acting recklessly towards OTHER people when she started the fire in a crowded public joint.

I don't know if I'd say that she - or the rapist dude - are/were "insane" in a true, psychiatric sense, but both crimes do strike me as acts by people who are mentally and emotionally unbalanced.

Maybe some help and therapy - combined with punishment (esp. for the rapist dude), of course - would be more beneficial to both those involved and society rather than just entertaining endless notions of violent revenge. At some point, we devolve into an Itchy and Scratchy realm where everyone attacks everyone all the time.

:2 cents::2 cents:

Ladies and gentlemen...read this post, then go to Wiki...look up "wuss"...there will be a link to this post.
If not, there should be.
:2 cents:

 

[BigHurt35]

And yet the guy who beat and raped my friend only got 6 months. A roof over his head, a nice bed, two meals a day, lots of friends, and an LCD television. God bless the current justice system.

Let's see what happens when someone you know gets raped.

Who says that I don't know somebody who has been through that? In fact, I'm willing to bet that most people know somebody who has been through that.

It still doesn't give anybody the right to murder anybody.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

If he did it, it's fitting. If, he did it.

 

[Philbert]

Who says that I don't know somebody who has been through that? In fact, I'm willing to bet that most people know somebody who has been through that.

It still doesn't give anybody the right to murder anybody.

It's not a matter of "rights", it's just how life is. Any man (or for that matter, woman) who doesn't feel the burning need to protect their family, (including friends) is missing a major part of their self. Shit happens, but a reasonable suspicion of pending harm from some predator...time to remove the trash.
Bad things happen to good people, and sometimes bad things happen to the deserving. Anyone question this immolation happened to a deserving piece of trash?:thumbsup:
(Besides the usual babbling hair-splitters?)

 

[Facial_King]

Ladies and gentlemen...read this post, then go to Wiki...look up "wuss"...there will be a link to this post.
If not, there should be.
:2 cents:

Then look up "cryptorchidic meathead caveman" - and you'll find a pic of Philbert.

Nice job, though, Philbert, on making such a thoughtful contribution to the thread!

:thumbsup:

 

[Facial_King]

Re: Unfortunately ...

No, that would undo our social fabric. People would justify their actions overnight and, worse yet, sometimes the "confrontation" would lead to other, innocent people getting hurt or killed too! Dude, we don't respond to our criminals with such.

I should have said I MIGHT be in favor of such a thing, although ultimately it's probably not tenable.

My last paragraph of that post really gets to the heart of how I feel on the matter.

 

[CunningStunts]

If the justice system worked, maybe people wouldn't have to take it into their own hands, but it doesnt.

Girl I was friends with got beaten and dragged into a bush in broad daylight, she was raped for over 45 minutes. They caught the guy, arrested him, and he went to jail. FOR 6 MONTHS. Does that sound like a fitting punishment?

Fuck that. Burn them all.

:thumbsup:

It's sad, but true that criminals have more rights these days than the victims of their crimes...

I do not see why we as a society tolerate violent crime, especially against women and children. Murderers and rapists deserve what I like to call the $1.50 Solution: Trial, Sentencing, and put a hollowpoint in their head before they hurt someone else, and save taxpayers a huge chunck of money too.

 

[BigHurt35]

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[Philbert]

Then look up "cryptorchidic meathead caveman" - and you'll find a pic of Philbert.

Nice job, though, Philbert, on making such a thoughtful contribution to the thread!

:thumbsup:

That's just silly...losing it a bit, aren't you?:rofl:
BTW..."cryptorchidic" isn't a word. Keep trying ...

 

[Facial_King]

:rofl:
BTW..."cryptorchidic" isn't a word. Keep trying ...

Really? That'd be news to all of the scientists who use it on a regular basis:
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a783506679~db=all

"Abstract
The study comprised 323 cryptorchidic boys, between 6 months and 14 years of age (mean age 5.68 years) with 440 maldescended testes. Testicular position was graded as inguinal low or prescrotal (I), inguinal middle (II), inguinal high (III), and abdominal testes (IV..."

http://www.find-health-articles.com/rec_pub_6117259-nerve-endings-cryptorchid-testicles.htm
http://www.endotext.org/Pediatrics/pediatrics11/pediatrics11_2.htm

...might also explain why your condition has gone untreated - back to your cave, I guess...

(pssst - not every word in a medical dictionary is in your dictionary:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0194342530

I'm guessing it's missing more than a few used by the big folk. )

So now, if you don't have something worthwhile to say, other than just quoting people's posts in their entirety and calling them "wuss" ......
just buzz off.

:wave2:

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

You lefties are the most vile, enflamatory, militant-like people in the country. It's really ironic when you consider it. They play the conservative as the neo-nazi and fascist, when in many cases it's the other way around. Oh well...whatever.


*And the world rolls on....*