It's shit like this that causes me to despise and loath Liberals.

[Sam Fisher]

Erasing History in Memphis

Paging Winston Smith. Your services are required in Memphis, where politically incorrect historical figures are getting purged from public awareness:

The Memphis City Council on Monday voted to change the name of the city’s Confederate Park [and] two other parks that honor notable members of the Confederacy.

MyFoxMemphis.com reports that the council voted 9-0 to pass a resolution renaming Confederate Park and Jefferson Davis Park, located in downtown Memphis and Nathan Bedford Forrest Park, which is located a few miles away. Forrest Park … features a large statue of the Confederate lieutenant general, who won several key Civil War battles.

Good thing KKK kleagle Robert Byrd was a prominent Democrat. Otherwise, think of all the buildings constructed with the pork he brought home that would need to be renamed. The same goes for buildings named after Lyndon “I’ll Have Those N*ggers Voting Democrat for the Next 200 Years” Johnson.

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In order to hopefully make some "feel good" by changing the names, they basically slap those in the face who take pride in those who fought for their beliefs. How can they be compassionate to one group, yet be so callous and uncaring to the other group??

 

[Sam Fisher]

 

[Johan]

History is written by the victors
Winston Churchill

 

[Jagger69]

There's no reason to destroy all remnants of the Confederacy other than overzealous attempts at political-correctness (God forbid someone might be offended!). It will continue to have historical significance forever and should never be forgotten.

That said, I take umbrage with the title of this thread. I am as liberal as you can get when it comes to social issues. This type of effort has nothing to do with liberalism from that standpoint....any more than the Westboro Baptist Church represents social conservatism. These type of things are extreme elements that do not reflect the true values of either philosophy from a mainstream point of view. By saying you "despise and loath" liberals is offensive to me personally, Sam, because in many, many ways, I am a liberal. Please consider desisting from "despising and loathing" whole groups of people due to the actions of a few and you might find you have more in common with most of them than you think.

Just an idea....hope you give it some consideration.

 

[eponymous]

Political Correctness ≠ Liberalism, Leftist or Democratic, you nimrod.

[Sung to the tune of the Charge! cheer at baseball games, but in a Homer Simpson voice:]
Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll, Troll...da da da da da da TROLL!!

 

[Mayhem]

There's no reason to destroy all remnants of the Confederacy other than overzealous attempts at political-correctness (God forbid someone might be offended!). It will continue to have historical significance forever and should never be forgotten.

That said, I take umbrage with the title of this thread. I am as liberal as you can get when it comes to social issues. This type of effort has nothing to do with liberalism from that standpoint....any more than the Westboro Baptist Church represents social conservatism. These type of things are extreme elements that do not reflect the true values of either philosophy from a mainstream point of view. By saying you "despise and loath" liberals is offensive to me personally, Sam, because in many, many ways, I am a liberal. Please consider desisting from "despising and loathing" whole groups of people due to the actions of a few and you might find you have more in common with most of them than you think.

Just an idea....hope you give it some consideration.

The rep patrol has me in handcuffs again. This is exactly right.

Although, in the interest of full disclosure, when I say something like, "This is why I hate hillbillies, hicks and cavetrolls....." it's usually Sam I'm thinking of.

 

[TheSpokenWheel]

Firstly, I don't care one way or another if the names of these places get changed. However, accusing a group of being "callous and uncaring" for wanting to take the names of confederate slave owners off of public parks strikes me as more than a bit hypocritical. If anything, being "callous and uncaring" towards the memories of men who fought and died (big fucking whoop) so they could continue to own, beat, rape and force servitude on other human beings sounds like a small amount of justice to me. Yes, they are a part of our history, and for that reason we should never "erase" them. The cliched saying is that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, which is why we should remember them, but not by putting their names on places where children go to get fresh air and exercise. And on that note, I'd like to ask you Sam: Given the choice, which side would you have proudly served, Union or Confederate?


I await your thought-out response (which will most likely be you calling me a "fag").

 

[DJCowboy]

And yet it's okay for ultra conservatives to demand that evolution be banned from schools?


I don't agree with erasing these figures from history but should they be celebrated and associated with parks, schools, etc? In my opinion, no. They fought to keep slavery and wanted to secede from the union (which states do and should have that right) but they were being little pussy babies about it

 

[meesterperfect]

Firstly, I don't care one way or another if the names of these places get changed. However, accusing a group of being "callous and uncaring" for wanting to take the names of confederate slave owners off of public parks strikes me as more than a bit hypocritical. If anything, being "callous and uncaring" towards the memories of men who fought and died (big fucking whoop) so they could continue to own, beat, rape and force servitude on other human beings sounds like a small amount of justice to me. Yes, they are a part of our history, and for that reason we should never "erase" them. The cliched saying is that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, which is why we should remember them, but not by putting their names on places where children go to get fresh air and exercise. And on that note, I'd like to ask you Sam: Given the choice, which side would you have proudly served, Union or Confederate?


I await your thought-out response (which will most likely be you calling me a "fag").

 

[TheSpokenWheel]

Hey look! You figured out how to have an argument without having to do any of the work yourself! Your video is irrelevant, as this is not a liberal/conservative issue. Like I said, I really could give a shit about a park in Memphis getting it's name changed, but I replied for the sake of argument. Speaking of arguments, the one that the guy in that video (and embarrassed conservatives everywhere) made about how the parties were founded well over a hundred years ago is getting old. Quit acting like today's liberals are yesterdays democrats and today's conservatives are yesterday's republicans. As for Biden's comments, they were obviously stupid. Guess what? I don't have to agree with everything he and Obama say/do. I just have to agree with them more than I do with Romney/Ryan (which I certainly do) to vote for them (which I did). That's part of you, sam and will's problem. You have to make sure to do the exact opposite as the "wretched, evil liberals" do, regardless of whether its right or wrong. Slavery was wrong. If some of today's liberals said they were for it (like some were during the 1800's), I'd be the first one to stand up and call them an asshole, because slavery is wrong. Which brings me back to the topic at hand. Glorifying men who used their power to fight for slavery is wrong. Liberal or conservative, it should make no difference, it's wrong, and a slap in the face of the people who descended from slaves and the people who fought to free them. Not a big slap in the face, because lets face it, its just a fucking park, but if you wanted an argument, there it is.

 

[Sam Fisher]

And on that note, I'd like to ask you Sam: Given the choice, which side would you have proudly served, Union or Confederate? I await your thought-out response (which will most likely be you calling me a "fag").

I would have proudly served in the Confederate Army. It doesn't make me right, nor does it make me wrong. It's all about standing up for a belief. But remember, after it was all said and done, and when all the fighting stopped, we Americans embraced each other, set aside our differences, and our country carried on.

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

Sam Jefferson Davis was thought of as a snake by Confederates.

Saw a quote once from a Confederate Officer that 'Jeff Davis is proud as Lucifer and what he touches will not prosper.'

 

[Mayhem]

Sam Jefferson Davis was thought of as a snake by Confederates.

Saw a quote once from a Confederate Officer that 'Jeff Davis is proud as Lucifer and what he touches will not prosper.'

I once knew a guy who served under Gen. MacArthur in the Pacific. He would virtually spit snake venom whenever MacArthur's name came up.

 

[sean miguel]

I once knew a guy who served under Gen. MacArthur in the Pacific. He would virtually spit snake venom whenever MacArthur's name came up.

Out of curiosity was he one of the Americans left behind in the Philippines at the start of the war? Just based on what I've read they didn't have a high opinion of "Dugout Doug".

 

[Will E Worm]

There's really no reason needed to hate the anti-American, anti-freedom, communist loving, liberals.

They need to go. The sooner the better.

 

[Mayhem]

Out of curiosity was he one of the Americans left behind in the Philippines at the start of the war? Just based on what I've read they didn't have a high opinion of "Dugout Doug".

I didn't know him that well. He was a semi-regular at the Ft. Bliss Rod and Gun Club. This was a very long time ago, but I remember a couple of occasions where he spoke in no uncertain terms about his hatred for MacArthur and this was based on his serving under him. That's all I have.

My point is that no one in a leadership position is going to be free of someones scathing criticism. Jefferson Davis, Abraham Lincoln, Patton, MacArthur, Churchill, Roosevelt.

Again, I recommend Ken Burns: The Civil War as a great educational tool. One of the many things it shows is that Jefferson Davis was in a no-win situation. The government of the Confederacy was doomed by its very existence.

I will also say in response to some previous posts, slavery was only a part of the Civil War. This insistence that it was 100% is just plain wrong. And I'm not saying that because I watched a documentary. History chooses to only look at one side of a very complex issue, and this is regrettable.

 

[Jagger69]

Again, I recommend Ken Burns: The Civil War as a great educational tool. One of the many things it shows is that Jefferson Davis was in a no-win situation. The government of the Confederacy was doomed by its very existence.

I will also say in response to some previous posts, slavery was only a part of the Civil War. This insistence that it was 100% is just plain wrong. And I'm not saying that because I watched a documentary. History chooses to only look at one side of a very complex issue, and this is regrettable.

Agree completely. The agrarian south never really stood a chance against the industrial north from the start. People forget that slavery was the topic of contention between north and south that blew the lid off what the real issue was....state's rights. That battle went all the way back to Andrew Jackson's administration and the root of it went all the way back to colonial times. Slave labor was essential to the south's economy and considered it to be a state's rights concern, not the federal government's. It makes me shake my head in amazement when I hear people say that the entire war was fought as a crusade to end slavery when it was, in actuality, just a byproduct of the real issue at hand.

There's really no reason needed to hate the anti-American, anti-freedom, communist loving, liberals.

They need to go. The sooner the better.

Maybe they should all be rounded up and shot as traitors. That'd take care of 'em! Then America freedoms would be safeguarded for sure. Whattaya say, Will??

 

[Mayhem]

Agree completely. The agrarian south never really stood a chance against the industrial north from the start. People forget that slavery was the topic of contention between north and south that blew the lid off what the real issue was....state's rights. That battle went all the way back to Andrew Jackson's administration and the root of it went all the way back to colonial times. Slave labor was essential to the south's economy and considered it to be a state's rights concern, not the federal government's. It makes me shake my head in amazement when I hear people say that the entire war was fought as a crusade to end slavery when it was, in actuality, just a byproduct of the real issue at hand.

Everything you say is completely spot on. But what I was getting at was a Confederacy of states working together to preserve state's rights. The need for mutual support kept butting heads with the desire to be autonomous. It's the age old conflict between principle and practicality. The very existence of the Confederate States was a contradiction. Therefore, Jefferson Davis had an impossible job, therefore it is inevitable that he was going to have detractors on his own side.

 

[meesterperfect]

I agree with this.
Change all the names.
I also think we should destroy all the architecture still standing across Europe built by the Romans.........because they owned slaves.
Plus erase all evidence of any founding father, or any person in history prior to 1865 who owned a slave.
Lets just erase or change everything prior to Jan. 2009.

 

[TheSpokenWheel]

I would have proudly served in the Confederate Army. It doesn't make me right, nor does it make me wrong. It's all about standing up for a belief. But remember, after it was all said and done, and when all the fighting stopped, we Americans embraced each other, set aside our differences, and our country carried on.

Yes, it does make you wrong, especially knowing what you know now. It also implies that you believe that slavery was something worth fighting for.