Is Google Evil?

I read this in one of my local newspaper, and thought it was very interesting.

http://www.syracusenewtimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=533

Google “Larry Page” and “Sergey Brin,” the two former Stanford geeks who founded the company that has become synonymous with Internet searching, and you’ll find more than a million entries for each. But amid the inevitable dump of press clippings, corporate bios and conference appearances, there’s very little about Page’s and Brin’s personal lives. It’s as if the pair had known all along that Google would change the way we acquire information, and had carefully insulated their lives: putting their homes under other people’s names, choosing unlisted numbers, abstaining from posting anything personal on Web pages.

That obsession with privacy may explain Google’s puzzling reaction last year, when Elinor Mills, a reporter with the tech news service cnet, ran a search on Google chief executive officer Eric Schmidt and published the results: Schmidt lived with his wife in Atherton, Calif., was worth about $1.5 billion, had dumped about $140 million in Google shares that year, was an amateur pilot, and had been to the Burning Man festival.
Google threw a fit, claimed that the information was a security threat, and announced it was blacklisting cnet’s reporters for a year. (The high-tech company eventually backed down.) It was a peculiar response, especially given that the information Mills published was far less intimate than the details easily found online on nearly every one of us. But then, this is something of a pattern with Google: When it comes to information, it knows what’s best.

From the start, Google’s informal motto has been “Don’t Be Evil,” and the company earned credibility early on by going toe-to-toe with Microsoft over desktop software and other issues. But make no mistake: Faced with doing the right thing or doing what is in its best interests, Google has almost always chosen expediency.

In 2002, it removed links to an anti-Scientology site after the Church of Scientology claimed copyright infringement. Scores of Web site operators have complained that Google pulls ads if it discovers words on a page that it apparently has flagged, although it will not say what those words are. In September, Google handed over the records of some users of its social-networking service, Orkut, to the Brazilian government, which was investigating alleged racist, homophobic and pornographic content.

Google’s stated mission may be to provide “unbiased, accurate and free access to information,” but that didn’t stop it from censoring its Chinese search engine to gain access to a lucrative market (prompting Bill Gates to crack that perhaps the company’s motto should be “Do Less Evil”). Now that Google is publicly traded, it has a legal responsibility to its shareholders and bottom line that overrides any higher calling.

Now Google is more relevant and prevalent in 2007 than ever before. In its first year listed, it shot to the top of Fortune’s list of 100 Best Companies to Work For, knocking local favorite Wegmans out of the lead slot. The magazine cites Google’s corporate culture—including free meals and on-site doctors—for its meteoric rise to the top. Additionally, Google’s fourth-quarter profits for 2006 nearly tripled over the same time period in 2005, propelling its stock price above $500. For the last three months of 2006, Google earned $1.03 billion, or $3.29 per share. Revenue totaled $3.2 billion, a 67 percent increase from $1.92 billion a year before. Impressive numbers for a company that makes some civil libertarians nervous.

Meet Big Brother

So the question is not whether Google will always do the right thing—it hasn’t, and it won’t. It’s whether Google, with its insatiable thirst for your personal data, has become the greatest threat to privacy ever known, a vast informational honey pot that attracts hackers, crackers, online thieves and—perhaps most worrisome of all—a government intent on finding convenient ways to spy on its own citizenry.

It doesn’t take a conspiracy theorist to worry about such a threat. “I always thought it was fertile ground for the government to snoop,” Schmidt told a search engine conference in San Jose, Calif., in August. While Google earned praise from civil libertarians in 2006 when it resisted a Justice Department subpoena for millions of search queries in connection with a child pornography case, don’t expect it will stand up to the government every time. On its Web site, Google asserts that it “does comply with valid legal process, such as search warrants, court orders or subpoenas seeking personal information.”

What’s at stake? Over the years, Google has collected a staggering amount of data, and the company cheerfully admits that in nine years of operation, it has never knowingly erased a single search query. It’s the biggest data pack rat west of the National Security Agency, and for good reason: 99 percent of its revenue comes from selling ads that are specifically targeted to a user’s interests.

“Google’s entire value proposition is to figure out what people want,” says Eric Goldman, a professor at Silicon Valley’s Santa Clara School of Law and director of the High Tech Law Institute. “But to read our minds, they need to know a lot about us.”

Every search engine gathers information about its users, primarily by sending us “cookies,” or text files that track our online movements. Most cookies expire within a few months or years; Google’s don’t expire until 2038. Until then, when you use the company’s search engine or visit any of myriad affiliated sites, it will record what you search for and when, which links you click on, which ads you access.

Google’s cookies can’t identify you by name, but they log your computer’s IP address. By way of metaphor, Google doesn’t have your driver’s license number, but it knows the license plate number of the car you are driving.

And search queries are windows into our souls, as 658,000 America Online users learned when their search profiles were mistakenly posted on the Internet, Would user 1997374 have searched for information on better erections or cunnilingus if he’d known that AOL was recording every keystroke? Would user 22155378 have keyed in “marijuana detox” over and over knowing someone could play it all back for the world to see? If you’ve ever been seized by a morbid curiosity after a night of hard drinking, a search engine knows—and chances are it’s Google, which owns roughly half of the entire search market and processes more than 3 billion queries a month.

And Google knows far more than that. If you are a Gmail user, Google stashes copies of every e-mail you send and receive. If you use any of its other products—Google Maps, Froogle, Google Book Search, Google Earth, Google Scholar, Talk, Images, Video, and News—it will keep track of which directions you seek, which products you shop for, which phrases you research in a book, which satellite photos and news stories you view, and on and on.

Served up a la carte, this is probably no big deal. Many Web sites stow snippets of your data. The problem is that there’s nothing to prevent Google from combining all of this information to create detailed dossiers on its customers, something the company admits is possible in principle. Soon Google may even be able to keep track of users in the real world: Its latest move is into free wireless access, which will require it to know your whereabouts (i.e., which router you are closest to).

Google insists that it uses individual data only to provide targeted advertising. But history shows that information seldom remains limited to the purpose for which it was collected. Accordingly, some privacy advocates suggest that Google and other search companies should stop hoarding user queries altogether: Internet searches, argues Lillie Coney of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, are part of your protected personal space just like your physical home.

In February, Rep. Edward Markey (D-Mass.) introduced legislation to this effect, but Republicans have kept it stalled in committee. Google, which only recently retained a lobbying firm in Washington, is among the tech companies fighting the measure.

When I first contacted Google for this story, a company publicist insisted I provide a list of detailed questions, in writing; when I said that I had a problem with a source dictating the terms for an interview, he claimed that everyone who covers Google—including The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal—submits advance questions. (A Times spokeswoman told me the paper sees no ethical problems with such a procedure, although individual reporters’ decisions may vary. An editor in charge of editorial standards at the Journal said the same thing.)

The Google flack assured me that this was so he could find the best person for me to talk to—more information for Google, so that Google could better serve me.

Eventually he agreed to put me in touch, sans scripted questions, with Nicole Wong, Google’s associate corporate counsel. I asked her if the company had ever been subpoenaed for user records, and whether it had complied. She said yes, but wouldn’t comment on how many times. Google’s Web site says that as a matter of policy the company does “not publicly discuss the nature, number or specifics of law enforcement requests.”

So can you trust Google only as far as you can trust the Bush administration? “I don’t know,” Wong replied. “I’ve never been asked that question before.” ❏

This article first appeared in Mother Jones.


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:eek: I won't even read such propaganda.

Honestly though as a search engine it rocks. That's all it is to me. I venture no further. :)

LL:angels:
 
Google helps the government of China in censoring internet access of millions of Chinese.

That counts as "evil" in my book.

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Google *is* big brother. Anyone controlling your interests, data and personal details is powerful, yes. But when you see they have an agenda.. then you call them evil.
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If it's not one, it's the other. At least we can see our adversary this way.
 
Google *is* big brother. Anyone controlling your interests, data and personal details is powerful, yes. But when you see they have an agenda.. then you call them evil.
:shrug:
If it's not one, it's the other. At least we can see our adversary this way.

True....at least we know what Google is up to.....we still haven't figured out what the Hell government does.
 

Torre82

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True....at least we know what Google is up to.....we still haven't figured out what the Hell government does.

I'm fond of the viewpoint that the conspiracy theorists are right/wrong 50/50 and that so much of it is so.. space-age technobabble or this/that-wing conservative/liberal conspiracy lies..

Anyway, the truth is that we all know about much of it. But as they say.. never underestimate the power of denial. If Michael Jackson can touch boys for his whole career.. OJ can kill a couple people and hire a good lawyer.. and as long as stereotypes exist, then there will be a good measure of truth to this stereotype: True government, the higher-ups who decide life and death, right and wrong.. will be seen as an evil entity.

For the most part, absolutely. From foreign policy to troop movements these people have a stranglehold on the tangible powers that a G_d could wield. They can easily be seen as evil because they're in direct competition with the image of G_d as a caring, loving individual who controls us. A lying politician with a strict agenda is actually pretty bad, tho. lol
 
this is ridiculous. google is my friend, google is your friend. now the yahoo search engine is different. at least to me. somehow, they have different search results. :dunno:
 
I don't know about Google being big brother, but I certainly wouldn't put it past them someday. As far as their motto, in reality it ends up being more like, "Do no evil (unless money is involved)".
 

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this is ridiculous. google is my friend, google is your friend. now the yahoo search engine is different. at least to me. somehow, they have different search results. :dunno:

there is a difference between the two. Google is strictly a search engine and Yahoo, is ( I cant think of the name), not 100% percent focused on performing Searches

Google is the best search engine, especially if you click "i'm feeling lucky"
 
I dont think that just saying that the personal lives of the developers is unkown means that it is evil. It doesnt make sense.
They probably hid all their info from the world because they didnt want their genius ideas getting out and having other people steal them (like how the Chinese operate their government and military, stealing). I think that they should get rewarded for having been so sucsessful on keeping themsleves private.
 

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I've got an enormous penis - it's Anaconderish - and I don't mind who knows about it. Unfortunately, I've been known to stick it up other men's bums and I'm the sort to fuck-'n'-tell. Do you think this could harm my chances of becoming a Cardinal?
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Google helps the government of China in censoring internet access of millions of Chinese.

That counts as "evil" in my book.

cheers,


That's correct, although Microsoft had a hand in that. Both turned over records to the authorities about those searching for info on Tianamen Square to the authorities, and it was suggested some may have been executed as a result. Typing it in now, from a PC in China gets you cooking receipes and tourist information.


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Well it does tell me to kill all fat women, so I would say it is evil, but I do carry out its whishes so does that make me evil?




Enjoy the show, for one day we shall die.....
 

Spleen

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The other day I spilt my drink off my computer table and onto the floor, I cleaned it up and looked back at my screen and the google search bar had "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!" written into it.


EVIL AS FUCK.
 

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Re: Is Google Evil?

In my estimation, they are. Google seems to go about their ways, free of restrictions or oversight, acquiring contracts with foreign communist governments, gaining the use of a
Federal Airfield
as a home airstrip for their corporate
Boeing 767
jumbo jet, it's disgusting !
Anytime that an institution, be it government or a publicly traded corporation conducts business free of regulation, conflict of interest and special privilege is often the result.
 
Hell yea, Google is very evil. You know how I know? It turned mine to spanish on me. lol. Na. For some reason I think I did that myself. To be honest with you Blackle is better than Google. Check it out.
 
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