Is abortion murder?
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Ace Bandage
The one and only.
Oh boy, this isn't going to end well. You're better off closing this thread before it completely degenerates into a shit storm. I have my own opinions about abortion, and like most people, my opinions aren't going to change because of what someone else says. Thus, all you're going to have here is people arguing back and forth, nothing more. This will not be productive conversation. I understand your intent, but people just don't agree on this subject- and they can't agree to disagree because each person believes he/she is right. That just leads to a stalemate...
GregCentauro
Banned
Gunning down an abortion doctor is murder. :hatsoff:
habo9
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I know what you mean , but I still want to see what people say whethers its bullshit or not , me personally its something Ive never really thought about so I cant say Im that bothered , though I do feel some people use it to readily like for some sort of birth control , but I can see why some people might do it like cant afford a kid or been ra...you know what I mean?
Im not saying its right or wrong , I can see it from peoples points of view so I wouldnt condemn anybody for doing it
Plus people dont have to say anything the poll will do the talking
Yep.
Yep.
Both are murder. What is sad is that there can't ever be any discussion on the subject, much as Andronicus Ry rightly pointed out. Too many people on both sides cling to their beliefs and apply them to the other side, whether they make sense or not. The anti- side is overstocked with people basing their belief on religious tenets, and the pro- side is overstocked with people who base theirs in anti-religious tenets. Those of us who oppose abortion based purely on secular, ethical and biological grounds get lost in the middle. Watch, like AR said, it'll happen here too.
No. Fuck you. From behind. After a nice bottle of Merlot. Perhaps on the beach, perhaps on the table at Red Lobster (TM).
You take your opinion, write it down on a sheet of rough paper, then rub my cock with it. If your opinion has merit, I'll spew my decision on your happily waiting face.
habo9
Banned
I dont think its murder either :eek:
I'd like to know how the "it isn't murder" crowd justifies that opinion.
habo9
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I dont think its fair to label a woman as a murderer for having an abortion
Its a simple matter of consciousness. A hunter does not bother to think about if hunting is murder because it figures, hey it was just an animal, without thought, without civilization and without a consciousness. A fetus is the same way, it is not a person yet, it does not have any logical thoughts, its body does only what its supposed to without wondering why, much like an animal and much unlike a human being that questions its existence at every turn.
If someone were against abortion because they believed in the sanctity of ALL life - fair enough! That's a sincere and consistent stance.
The trouble with many of these so-called 'pro-lifers' is that they also:
*eat meat
*support war
*support capital punishment
That's cherry-picking hypocrisy!
The trouble with many of these so-called 'pro-lifers' is that they also:
*eat meat
*support war
*support capital punishment
That's cherry-picking hypocrisy!
GregCentauro
Banned
To me it does not constitute as murder when the embryo is not viable on its own outside the womb. Like Facetious said:
Modern medicine has pushed the limits significantly. Still, embryos in the first two trimesters have almost no chance of survival.
[polemic]An embryo is technically an integral part of the female body. A woman must have control over her body and can do with it as she pleases. An abortion is in that way no different from a liposuction.[/polemic]
I didn't ask about the woman, her feelings, or her label. I asked how the argument that abortion isn't murder can be justified. I'm sure that the 11 year old kid who murdered his Dad's fiance doesn't like being labeled a murderer either, but that is the act he committed. You rob someone, you're a thief. You rape someone, you're a rapist. You murder someone, you're a murderer. Don't like the label, don't commit the act.
Hunting is irrelevant, as you can't "murder" an animal, women don't kill fetuses to eat them, and one species consuming another, weaker one is simply a fact of nature. As for a fetus, those arguments are entirely illogical, as they can apply to other people as well without justifying those people's murder.
It does not have any logical thoughts
-Neither does any infant, until toddlerhood. By this argument, it would be okay to murder two year olds, as it would also the mentally ill, retarded, or elderly dementia or alzheimers patients. Hell, even many members of this board could be put to death by that argument. The capacity for logical thought, while being a good thing, is not a qualifier for one's right to live.
its body does only what its supposed to without wondering why
-Much the same as the argument above, though this also applies to every "normal" person, as the majority of our bodily functions are subconscious.
much like an animal and much unlike a human being that questions its existence at every turn.
-How I wish human beings did that. Sadly, hardly any do.
I still haven't heard a single decent, intelligent and reasoned argument for why abortion isn't murder.
