How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang rape

[jasonk282]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

give'em due process, then cut their peckers off. absolutely America has a WAY better system than MANY countries. I took a few law courses not long ago and I can tell you, as fucked up and complicated and decentralized/localized the law in America can be, it's still a far cry from most thrid-world's laws.

Would not "Cutting of peckers" violate the 8th amendment? Also there is the Coker v. Gerogia ruling that says "Coker v. Georgia, 433 U.S. 584 (1977), held that the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution forbade the death penalty for the crime of rape of a 16 year old girl" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coker_v._Georgia

"The sentence of death for the crime of rape is grossly disproportionate and excessive punishment and is therefore forbidden by the Eighth Amendment as cruel and unusual punishment"

So everyone that wants the death pentality or eye v eye also wants to totally ignore the 8th amendment!

 

[ManifestDestiny]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

Would not "Cutting of peckers" violate the 8th amendment? Also there is the Coker v. Gerogia ruling that says "Coker v. Georgia, 433 U.S. 584 (1977), held that the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution forbade the death penalty for the crime of rape of a 16 year old girl" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coker_v._Georgia

"The sentence of death for the crime of rape is grossly disproportionate and excessive punishment and is therefore forbidden by the Eighth Amendment as cruel and unusual punishment"

So everyone that wants the death pentality or eye v eye also wants to totally ignore the 8th amendment!

It comes down to states rights back then, as it does now. that's why some states (like Texas) and others (like Minnesota) either do or don't have capital pun. At least half the American public still believes capital pun isn't cruel and excessive. Every state still has their own constitutions, like it or not. most people don't even know that. these "constitutions" are very complex, sometimes weird, and sometimes flat out nonsensical, but they are "law".

 

[jasonk282]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

It comes down to states rights back then, as it does now. that's why some states (like Texas) and others (like Minnesota) either do or don't have capital pun. At least half the American public still believes capital pun isn't cruel and excessive. Every state still has their own constitutions, like it or not. most people don't even know that. these "constitutions" are very complex, sometimes weird, and sometimes flat out nonsensical, but they are "law".

Here is Cali's penal codes that capital punishment can be used.

The penal code provides for possible capital punishment in:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_California#Capital_offenses

treason against the state of California, defined as levying war against the state, adhering to its enemies, or giving them aid and comfort.[6]
perjury causing execution of an innocent person[7]
first-degree murder with special circumstances[8]
for financial gain (1)
the defendant had previously been convicted of first or second degree murder (2)
multiple murders (3)
committed using explosives (4) ; (6)
to avoid arrest or aiding in escaping custody (5)
the victim was an on-duty peace officer; federal law enforcement officer or agent; or firefighter (7) ; (8) ; (9)
the victim was a witness to a crime and the murder was committed to prevent them from testifying (10)
the victim was a prosecutor or assistant prosecutor; judge or former judge; elected or appointed official; juror; and the murder was in retaliation for the victim's official duties (11) ; (12) ; (13) ; (20)
the murder was "especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel, manifesting exceptional depravity" (14)
the murderer lay in wait for the victim (15)
the victim was intentionally killed because of their race, religion, nationality, or country of origin (a Hate crime) (16)
the murder was committed during the commissioning of robbery; kidnapping; rape; sodomy; performance of a lewd or lascivious act upon the person of a child under the age of 14 years; oral copulation; burglary; arson; train wrecking; mayhem; rape by instrument; carjacking; torture; poisoning (17)
the murder was intentional and involved the infliction of torture (18)
poisoning (19)
the murder was committed by discharging a firearm from a motor vehicle (21)
the defendant is an active member of a criminal street gang and was to further the activities of the gang (22)
train wrecking which leads to a person's death

2 thing you will notice
1. they all involve murder
2. there is no mention of rape

 

[ManifestDestiny]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

Here is Cali's penal codes that capital punishment can be used.

The penal code provides for possible capital punishment in:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_California#Capital_offenses

treason against the state of California, defined as levying war against the state, adhering to its enemies, or giving them aid and comfort.[6]
perjury causing execution of an innocent person[7]
first-degree murder with special circumstances[8]
for financial gain (1)
the defendant had previously been convicted of first or second degree murder (2)
multiple murders (3)
committed using explosives (4) ; (6)
to avoid arrest or aiding in escaping custody (5)
the victim was an on-duty peace officer; federal law enforcement officer or agent; or firefighter (7) ; (8) ; (9)
the victim was a witness to a crime and the murder was committed to prevent them from testifying (10)
the victim was a prosecutor or assistant prosecutor; judge or former judge; elected or appointed official; juror; and the murder was in retaliation for the victim's official duties (11) ; (12) ; (13) ; (20)
the murder was "especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel, manifesting exceptional depravity" (14)
the murderer lay in wait for the victim (15)
the victim was intentionally killed because of their race, religion, nationality, or country of origin (a Hate crime) (16)
the murder was committed during the commissioning of robbery; kidnapping; rape; sodomy; performance of a lewd or lascivious act upon the person of a child under the age of 14 years; oral copulation; burglary; arson; train wrecking; mayhem; rape by instrument; carjacking; torture; poisoning (17)
the murder was intentional and involved the infliction of torture (18)
poisoning (19)
the murder was committed by discharging a firearm from a motor vehicle (21)
the defendant is an active member of a criminal street gang and was to further the activities of the gang (22)
train wrecking which leads to a person's death

2 thing you will notice
1. they all involve murder
2. there is no mention of rape

I leave it to the Californians, as I am not one. we can - through national media and even more grassroots media outlets like the Internet - now to an extent inject ourselves into issues we feel are important to us. this is one of the most vicious acts in the history of the country involving youth, so it will require a unique course of action and with it will come (as it already has) national media coverage and national outrage.

 

[Jagger69]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

How in the heck ''I'm fucking sicker'' ? I'm just speaking my opinion.
If you don't like it, I don't really care.

I think, it was rude of you, to even say that to me. Saying one of these monstrous bastards that carried out this crime, I'm nothing like them. I have to disagree with you, and these were cowards. I'm not that type of person, that would kill or be like this scumbags.

I just thought this would be a better crime punishment, that's what I express and my opinion.

You are sicker than these monstrous bastards that carried out this crime = Disagree

I'm not sicker, or anything you freakin said. I still can't believe you would think of me, as one of these people.

I most certainly would never infringe upon the right for you to express your opinion and I never said that you shouldn't do so, so why are you so upset? I was only expressing mine as well. Re-read my post. I said you were sick if you were indeed the one who was willing to carry out the deeds that you proposed. Cut people to pieces? Hack them to ribbons? Throw them off buildings? Oh no, that's perfectly normal human behavior.

Besides, you never answered my question. Are you personally willing to carry out what you propose be done to these perpetrators? If so, you're worse than they are.....yes. I'm sorry, Nichelle, but where I come from that's sick no matter how you look at it. But that's just my opinion.

Again, I totally understand and agree with the outrage but to respond with a sentiment that is worse than what the accused individuals did is is nothing short of reprehensible. If you think that opinion is "rude", there's nothing I can do about that. I take serious issue with your suggestion and I'm not going to change my core values just because you happen to have a different viewpoint. To quote you, "if you don't like it, I don't really care" either.

 

[jasonk282]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

I leave it to the Californians, as I am not one. we can - through national media and even more grassroots media outlets like the Internet - now to an extent inject ourselves into issues we feel are important to us. this is one of the most vicious acts in the history of the country involving youth, so it will require a unique course of action and with it will come (as it already has) national media coverage and national outrage.

The unique course of action that you call for is a violation the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Facetious]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

Herr Rey C., you should change your name to egomaniac.

From moderate to full fling lefty in one thread ! :1orglaugh

Some people just have a strong desire to stand above the rest as they offer dangerous alternative elitist misleading viewpoints.:1orglaugh
I go with the track record of my street experience, my friendship and client relationships with actual Mexican Americans, as well as my initial gut instincts, these thugs wouldn't have dehumanized one of their "own people" in the way they did this girl ! There's no need for alternative sound smart - over analyzed viewpoints guys, this is a very serious incident, don't diminish the seriousness of it by injecting your last line of defense "stormfronting" ! Stop putting your political ideology and / or superior educated acumen ahead of the general welfare of the people !

Here's how it works, the yahoos are the very authors "Hate Crime Legislation", OK ? and as we know, the legislation is very much a one way street ! That being said, if this particular case of this girl being as viciously assaulted as she was should be allowed to be recorded in history as, a crime of hate under the terms disclosed in the legislation, the yahoos will have their own table turned over upon them, that's all. :dunno:

Just remember the unwritten rule :"Hate crimes" are one way streets. :1orglaugh

OK, have at it ! Fine tooth comb a single word I typed and make mountains out of mole hills !

 

[Member 1098]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

I most certainly would never infringe upon the right for you to express your opinion and I never said that you shouldn't do so, so why are you so upset? I was only expressing mine as well. Re-read my post. I said you were sick if you were indeed the one who was willing to carry out the deeds that you proposed. Cut people to pieces? Hack them to ribbons? Throw them off buildings? Oh no, that's perfectly normal human behavior.

Besides, you never answered my question. Are you personally willing to carry out what you propose be done to these perpetrators? If so, you're worse than they are.....yes. I'm sorry, Nichelle, but where I come from that's sick no matter how you look at it. But that's just my opinion.

Again, I totally understand and agree with the outrage but to respond with a sentiment that is worse than what the accused individuals did is is nothing short of reprehensible. If you think that opinion is "rude", there's nothing I can do about that. I take serious issue with your suggestion and I'm not going to change my core values just because you happen to have a different viewpoint. To quote you, "if you don't like it, I don't really care" either.

I understood you and ok. I get it. You're right, and sorry.

 

[Rey C.]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

ahhh, we have more in common than you think ::coughquackcough::

Possibly.... if you have two arms to the side, legs at the bottom, a torso in the middle and a head on top. :tongue:

Other than that, there's likely nothing of substance that we share. Well, wait... I take it that we both like Freeones?! Yeah? So there ya go: we're both (technically) human and we both like Freeones. Two things!

 

[meesterperfect]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

hate crime was just a form of legislature created by guilty feeling white folks to appease minority groups in order to get their votes and live the good life.
All it really does is get white folks longer sentances for the same crime.

it saddens me to see that this thread has turned into a debate on how they should be punished.
duh its simple, sentanced to a long prison term.

nobodys focusing on the thread or the video of what that girl had to say.
are you afraid or something, or just dont care?

you people just don't see the truth, or are afraid to admit it, and would rather focus on some irelevant point like a debate over punishment.
newsflash: that what prosecuters are for.
either way until we do admit and focus on the source of the problem shit like this will just keep increasing.

 

[Facetious]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

Another thing -

All politics and prejudices aside, for the sake of our own self preservation, we must make the distinction between the way we'd like to think and the way we have to think. Certain despicable elements within our society may cause us to act outside the "barriers" of how we'd like to think, that being said, if we come out with minor cuts & scratches acting the way we have to think, so be it, it's sure better than being a dead idealist !

 

[Rey C.]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

From moderate to full fling lefty in one thread ! :1orglaugh

Some people just have a strong desire to stand above the rest as they offer dangerous alternative elitist misleading viewpoints.:1orglaugh
I go with the track record of my street experience, my friendship and client relationships with actual Mexican Americans, as well as my initial gut instincts, these thugs wouldn't have dehumanized one of their "own people" in the way they did this girl ! There's no need for alternative sound smart - over analyzed viewpoints guys, this is a very serious incident, don't diminish the seriousness of it by injecting your last line of defense "stormfronting" ! Stop putting your political ideology and / or superior educated acumen ahead of the general welfare of the people!

Or as a manager (that I eventually fired) said in defense of his documented departmental inefficiency, "you can't always believe what the numbers tell you! I run this place by my gut and I don't need any fancy reports to tell me how I'm doing!"

Some people do go by their gut feel and their own perceptions of reality. Others rely on data and avoid anecdotals as the basis for decisions.

Here's where I'm coming from with my leftist, pointy-headed ideas and Deming approach, Facetious. When people start talking about the "root cause" of an issue, and I can't detect that they have more than a few slivers of information to support their "theories", I have a general tendency to call bullshit.

Was this a race based case? I don't know, as I have previously stated. It is possible. It's also possible that these asshole guys just saw a vulnerable girl (who happened to be White) and would have preyed on her no matter what. And yeah, I have been picking on the people who know what they know, based on nothing more than the fact that they know what they know because that's what they know. Is there sometimes a double standard applied when issues of race, gender or religion are in question? Yes, and I believe I've stated that in more than a few previous posts as well. Where people are getting crossed up in their underwear is when they claim for a fact that race is the root cause of this or other violent crimes. But they act as if supporting data is covered in the H1N1 virus. I'm fresh out of freebies and passes. Bring data. Use some (at least) basic logic! And as we're about to see, at least be consistent. :nono:


BTW, in the quoted post above you claim that Mexicans wouldn't dehumanize one of their own - so I'm guessing this is your basis for "knowing what you know"; that this crime must have been racially motivated? And you know this by the track record of your street experience, Mexican friends and initial gut instincts.

Facetious, despite what you may think of me now, I actually enjoy conversing with you on various topics. But on this one, if this was something important and you laid this case out in the way that you just did, I'd have to lay this in front of you:

I've read many stories over the years that report of gang rape being commonplace and almost a rite of passage literally, when Mexican national women desire to cross the Mexican / North American border illegally. There is apparently some kind of "ritual" involved with the rapist thugs' swiping their victim's undergarments and hanging / displaying them high off of tree branches etc.
A "We were here and we raped a woman here kind of display" if you will.

Nice culture were allowing to run over us, huh ?

http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=3766140&postcount=58

So the other day, the gang rape of Mexican women was "commonplace" (even hang the panties from the trees, do they?). But today, Mexicans would never dehumanize a Mexican woman by gang raping her - that's why these Chicanos picked what we believe is a White girl? So... which is it?

I mean, if there was major money or a PR issue riding on your theory, this sort of major conflict in what you've said, within a 48 hour time span, might mean we'd have to start that walk that I always hate so much. The one toward HR. That last goodbye. But ya see, if you rely on data, instead of gut feel and street cred, you don't have to worry about disagreeing with yourself.

It might be frustrating and I might get on someone's nerves from time to time, Facetious. But the side that I sometimes take is just the one that opposes the one that is irrational, illogical... or maybe just poorly formed. Passion for ones opinion is fine. But does the opinion pass the giggle test? If it doesn't... then :ak47:

 

[meesterperfect]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

^ youre just defending degenerate depraved behavior because they are mexican.
dont kid yourself man, you are defending rapists because of their race.
Thats disgusting.
fact, a group of mexicans gangraped a nearly beat to death a white 15 year old.
A child.
While a group of mexicans watched and did nothing.
spin it any way you want, thats what happened.
fact, richmond was a nice place, now its a 3rd world shithole were innocent people are victimized by mexicans all the time. And thats just one of many places where this has happened
Am I just being irrational and illogical.

This girl who spoke in the video had balls, maybe some people who see it will wake up to reality, or maybe we need thousands of more victims before that will happen.

but forget the facts, lets get back to talking about stupid ways to punish them.

 

[Facetious]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

before we go any further ..... Group Hug ?

 

[ManifestDestiny]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

We'll keep it posted. right?

 

[Wainkerr99]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

I think the perception is that gangsters stick together. If they be hispanic, they will defend each other, if they be black, ditto. If there is a white minority in a school, one would expect, seeing as the minority in the school is still living in the United States, not in Mexico, that this minority have a right to protection.

According to Ms Baker, the security did not intervene.

Now, I am not saying the rapists were all gang members. What I am saying is the perception is that they belong to gangs, or at the very least have each others' backs. In other words, I cannot go pick a fight with a black dude or really defend myself against a black dude because I know every other black guy in town has his brother's back, in theory. Capiche? The same with a hispanic man or woman.

Again, there is a complete lack, it would seem, of education, of infiltration into society to change people's perceptions of each other.

Maybe the rapists believed they are untouchable.

However, the real tragedy is that a group of boys stood around doing nothing while a precious young girl had her life destroyed.

One cannot say black or white or hispanic. Look at the atrocities carried out in Serbia. The endless inhumanity of man throughout the ages.

Really there needs to be a higher authority stepping in here to asses the damage and investigate the causes. This is after all America. In South Africa there was the Truth And Reconciliation Commission that made great inroads into the public conscience bringing about forgiveness and exposure of wrong done in the past.

Unless something drastic is done here soon to address all these racist ideas that fester we could very well be facing martial law in some states and schools could turn into an Alice Cooper song even more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlmmui8iq50

 

[Facetious]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

Montrealman typed, in the other thread, "Barbaric Bastards" and he's correct. Senator Robert Byrd agrees as well and sums it nice and concise here, if I may inject a little levity.

Gotta stay loose, ya know ? :yesyes:

 

[CunningStunts]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

hate crime was just a form of legislature created by guilty feeling white folks to appease minority groups in order to get their votes and live the good life.
All it really does is get white folks longer sentances for the same crime.

it saddens me to see that this thread has turned into a debate on how they should be punished.
duh its simple, sentanced to a long prison term.

nobodys focusing on the thread or the video of what that girl had to say.
are you afraid or something, or just dont care?

you people just don't see the truth, or are afraid to admit it, and would rather focus on some irelevant point like a debate over punishment.
newsflash: that what prosecuters are for.
either way until we do admit and focus on the source of the problem shit like this will just keep increasing.

Post of the year IMO.

This is the central problem with Political Correctness: Not only does it censor speech (and therefore freedom), but it IGNORES truth and the search for truth in favor of sparing people facts that might be "offensive."

When we as a society are blind to the truth and no longer seek it out above all other things, we are lost. We are ALL lost. Seeking the truth is man's noblest enterprise.

 

[ManifestDestiny]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

Post of the year IMO.

This is the central problem with Political Correctness: Not only does it censor speech (and therefore freedom), but it IGNORES truth and the search for truth in favor of sparing people facts that might be "offensive."

When we as a society are blind to the truth and no longer seek it out above all other things, we are lost. We are ALL lost. Seeking the truth is man's noblest enterprise.

Bravo. Bravo, to both you and mr.perfect! ::hands clap, hands clap::

 

[ManifestDestiny]

Re: How's this'to cheer ya' up: Girl blasts school officials over her friends gang ra

Montrealman typed, in the other thread, "Barbaric Bastards" and he's correct. Senator Robert Byrd agrees as well and sums it nice and concise here, if I may inject a little levity.

Gotta stay loose, ya know ? :yesyes:

LOL,

that ws hilarious, best laugh I've had in a while. Byrd is such a complete loser.