How to initiate a foursome

Me and my long term girlfriend have been toyin with the idea of havin a foursome with another couple but are unsure where or how to start going about it.

We have a couple in mind whom we are good freinds with and we have known for many years. What would be the best way to bring it up in conversation and what is the best way to initiate a foursome.

we are contemplating a threesome without myself included as an option to help ease them into a foursome but niether of our 2 couples have any experience in group sex.
Are there any rules/guidelines to follow?

Any help will be greatly Apreciated:D ;) :D
 

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