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House GOP leaders...vote no on 9/11 bill

Well if you are a city employee than the city should pay for your health care through their insurance which they do have.
which i believe they do and have been doing all along.

but speaking frankly, i can say that for a lot of people sept 11th was the best thing that ever happened to them.
especially those who didn't lose a family member.
So many people involved, regardless of age have been given early retirement.
that means they will get paid for the rest of their lives for not working, and theyre healthy and happy.
thats like hitting the lottery.
Family members/spouses of victims have been given millions by the state, the fed, and from charities.
They are set for life.
And many are still suing for more$$$.

In this case were talking a few hundred people with health issues and some are probably fraudulent.
but in any case I'm sure that their medical bills and health care have been taken care of.

But instead of people saying " Wow, what a country, it really has helped these people so much" , they say when finally someone says " ok, I think that's enough" ....."oh those evil. heartless politicians ( who of course are republicans) ".

I see this as a political strategy for the dems based on them knowing what the kneejerk public response would be.
Try to pass another entitlement'9/11 spending bill knowing that most republicans will vote against it, then turning around and saying " oh , see how heartless they are?"

Sadly meester....I honestly believe you believe what you just typed.

Has a employee ever sued an employer for hazardous work conditions which contributed to illness or disability?

Right now there is a massive case against the US Navy for malignant mesothelioma cases caused by shipboard asbestos.

Why wouldn't this be the same type of thing sans all the litigation?
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
oh i believe it mega and drocker, every damn word.
yes, money is not a replacement for losing a loved one.......but if thats so then why did they all accept it?
people die everyday, should the state, the fed gov and charities all give them money?
in the case of 9/11 they did.
and police and rescue workers getting early retirement with 3/4 pension, thats a sweet deal.
who pays for that again?
medical bills? has anyone been denied medical care for injuries/illnesses sustained there on that day?
the state, the feds, the airlines, and charities has paid money to and spent so many billions on this already, i feel its been much more then fair.
and under a republican president and governor.
how much did the state and feds give the oklahoma citys families victims?
and early retirement and ect ect ect under the dem president at the time?
dead relative or not, they hit the fucking lottery.
yeah, i stand behind every word i posted here.

or maybe i'll just join the herd and say " those damn republicans"
 
or maybe i'll just join the herd and say " those damn republicans"

If you just find more out about the circumstances and facts, that will do.:2 cents:
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
tell me please.
i read the article, the dems are going to try to pass another bill to spend more money on 9/11 people.
the republicans plan on voting against it.
people are ignoring the reality of the billions and billions that have already been spent and the millions more that will be spent ,and by a republican administration both in the federal and state levels and and saying "those damn heartless republicans" with a faggity lisp.
man people are so easily manipulated.
what more what more?

seriously, are we really disagreeing?
do you think the GOV needs to spend more money on this?
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Somehow I think for a lot of people having a dear loved one that's dead because of that whom they will never see again in this life or having an adverse health condition they will have to live with until they die having that money is poor consolation indeed.

yeah but they still took it.
lets say that the planes crashed into the building by accident.
both pilots thought that their heroin was cocaine a nodded off at the controls.
after that everything was the same.

so people die in the planes.
people die in the buildings.
people get hurt in the buildings
people die and get hurt on the ground.
police, firemen and paramedics die and get hurt.
some police , fireman, paramedics dont get hurt.

well the airlines pay millions to the survivors of the passengers and people in the buildings who died.
the state and charities pay millions to the families of the police, fireman and paramedics who died
medical bills and treatment, even long term are paid to those claiming injury.
early retirement benefits are given to state workers who were there doing their jobs that day.
then after all that the federal government gives them all more, much more.
and charities even more.
basically everybody involved is financially set for life, many living on easy street.

all this is not enough?
hell i had a birdseye view of the second tower go down, i think about it everyday.
wheres my money?
i'm traumatized.

after all that, a few politicians say "ok, thats enough", and they are called heartless" and other names?
I just don't get it.
 
tell me please.
i read the article, the dems are going to try to pass another bill to spend more money on 9/11 people.
the republicans plan on voting against it.
people are ignoring the reality of the billions and billions that have already been spent and the millions more that will be spent ,and by a republican administration both in the federal and state levels and and saying "those damn heartless republicans" with a faggity lisp.
man people are so easily manipulated.
what more what more?

seriously, are we really disagreeing?
do you think the GOV needs to spend more money on this?

There are thousands of volunteer workers and first responders who have permanent illness and hundreds have died.

The progression and extent of these illnesses were not known until years later and the circumstance is still developing.:2 cents:
 
fuck em.
its not the governments responsibility to pay for this.
thats what insurance is for.
or start an internet donation site, they'll get their bills paid
hek, they already paid the next of kin of those who died how many hundreds of millions?
that wasnt right either.
add to that early retirement to cops and other money paid directly to people how much ya got? few billion?

did the fed gov pay the victims of oklahoma city?
how about the Who concert in cincinnati
and whats next? pay for every bad thing that happens from plane crashesto house fires to deck collapses to oops i stubbed my toe?

too much boo hoo mentality.
" oh those evil greedy republicans don't want to pay for the medical monitering of the victims of 9/11"
you wanna know whose medical bills the gov should pay for? sick chronically ill children.
but they dont.
don't people realize that every dollar that the GOV spends that somebody worked for that dollar?
if people care so much about the already hundreds of millions of dollars spent on them victims of 9/11 then start a damn charity and donate to it.

I always try and be cool with everyone here, but I'll say this only once to you. You re an ASSHOLE! Those people had two buildings fall on top of them and still days later they were there trying to find people still alive. It's NOT an entitlement it is some unworthy attempt to give them something back for trying to help others. Voluteer to leave your family for months or years at a time and see that do shit that our troops do, have fucking 110 story building fall on top of you still stay to find others that might be alive. They did something that you or I can never even think about doing. They more than earn every single fucking penny they might see. Shame on anyone who thinks those 9/11 responders did not any that money!
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
There are thousands of volunteer workers and first responders who have permanent illness and hundreds have died.

The progression and extent of these illnesses were not known until years later and the circumstance is still developing.:2 cents:

i just don't believe that hundreds have died
hundreds do claim to be sick and are backed up by doctors i suppose.
ok, so now what? what do you want to give them? and what have they been denied of?
And they have had there treatment paid for, early retirement paid for, disability paid for, lawsuits won, money from the state and from the feds, charities........
c'mon already!
ok you are a "responder"
you know that if that building goes down you are gonna breathe some shit, maybe get sick.
just like a fireman knows he may have to inhale some smoke.
a butcher knows he may get his finger cut off by a bandsaw.

forget it, their medical treatment has been and is being paid plus a whole lot more.
how much do you want to give them?
100 million each? 200 billion?
how much should they be given for doing their jobs, and by who?

Fuck the GOP. That's all I have to say.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
I always try and be cool with everyone here, but I'll say this only once to you. You re an ASSHOLE! Those people had two buildings fall on top of them and still days later they were there trying to find people still alive. It's NOT an entitlement it is some unworthy attempt to give them something back for trying to help others. Voluteer to leave your family for months or years at a time and see that do shit that our troops do, have fucking 110 story building fall on top of you still stay to find others that might be alive. They did something that you or I can never even think about doing. They more than earn every single fucking penny they might see. Shame on anyone who thinks those 9/11 responders did not any that money!

ok, then i'm an asshole.
they were doing there jobs right?
they were getting paid right?
volunteers were volunteering right?

i am in no way downplaying what they did.
you say they deserve every single penny?
how much? how much more?
and who should give it to them?

give me a number please.

you know people die everyday in horrible ways.
cops get shot in the face, people get burned alive, horrible car accidents ect ect.
how much do they deserve?
And who should give it to them?


please answer these simple questions.

respond with your mind and not your heart.

and what if i told you that i was a nyc cop who was there that day and now i'm getting paid 1000.00 dollars a week for the rest of my life and living in colombia, living like a king a fucking different beautiful women whenever i want just because i was there doing my job.
pretty good deal for me right.
 
I see this as a political strategy for the dems based on them knowing what the kneejerk public response would be.
Try to pass another entitlement'9/11 spending bill knowing that most republicans will vote against it, then turning around and saying " oh , see how heartless they are?"

You're in over your head on so many fronts with your rants meester, I just cut out the excess and left this part.

Was 9/11 an act of war or not?

The Republicans are doing something that they accuse Dems of doing when it comes to War. Cut -n- Run.

I expect that the GOP will be punished and clowned with political ads which will portray them as being cowards and un-American on this issue.

Maybe the GOP's fuck up will actually bring about the ending of the Middle East quagmire/boondoggles and actually hasten the return of our troops.

If Republicans are trying to float the idea the 9/11 needs to be forgotten now, maybe they'll come around to ending and forgetting that we ever went into Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
ok tits, forget my rants , which in reality is me just trying to get through some of your thick skull, one track minds.
its only rants to those who just don't get it.

I WANT NUMBERS
lets put our cards on the table.
how much money is each life worth?
another words who deserves what and from who.
numbers, give me numbers.

you all say, they deserve they deserve , ok, they deserve.
now give the figures.
 
^Um, you have a strange way of trying to convince people. Mindless, error-filled rants? I'm guessing there has to be a better way to persuade people :dunno:

Listen to yourself--how much is each life worth? Are you now in Population Control for the World State/Brave New World?

I seem to recall at the time that the big scandal was the fact that Insurance companies didn't cover terrorism or acts of war. Don't you remember how the economy plunged right after 9/11 and the insurance companies (like usual) were the first to run for the exits during a tragedy.
 
ok tits, forget my rants , which in reality is me just trying to get through some of your thick skull, one track minds.
its only rants to those who just don't get it.

I WANT NUMBERS
lets put our cards on the table.
how much money is each life worth?
another words who deserves what and from who.
numbers, give me numbers.

you all say, they deserve they deserve , ok, they deserve.
now give the figures.

Do you even have clue how many people came from all around to help with search, rescue and clean-up? Like I said before....man..you just a very bad habit of spouting off on issues where that you apparently either have no clue of or have created your own scenario based solely and only on what you think.

I mean, why not just do a little research before hand? I suppose that would suggest you would want to know what the truth is and not simply try to back up a spin.

Another guy on another subject argues up and down something he heard from a GOPer politician that was categorically untrue and easily determinable even if he didn't know off the top of his head as it was something easily found by a simple search.

Up to 70,000 people took part in the massive operation at Ground Zero, including police, firefighters and construction workers who came to New York voluntarily from all over the US. Many worked for months amid a toxic soup of dust and chemicals.

Amid the pollutants within the giant pile of 1.8m tons of debris and the surrounding air were 90,000 litres of jet fuel from the two stricken planes, about 1,000 tons of asbestos that was used in the construction of the Twin Towers, pulverised lead from computers, mercury and highly carcinogenic by-products from the burning of plastics and chlorinated chemicals.

No official tally is available for the number of those who have died as a result of the 9/11 clear-up. The New York state health department has recorded 817 deaths of emergency workers but it cannot confirm categorically how many of those were directly linked to the site.

Federal funds for ill emergency workers ran out in 2003 and, since then, the onus has fallen on cash-strapped New York city, which is facing up to 10,000 claims for compensation through the courts. Families of those who have died say that the burden should be shouldered by the nation as a whole.

Robert Grossman's father, Stephen, drew a parallel with the $3bn the federal government spent this year on buying up old cars under the "cash-for-clunkers" scheme. "They spent that, but they don't have a dime for people who volunteered after 9/11 and ended up giving their lives for their country."

The 911 Police Aid Foundation, a group run by and for sick police officers, says it is helping more than 100 officers who worked at Ground Zero and who now have cancer. The group is receiving new cases at a rate of about one a week, many of which are extremely rare at such young ages.

Michael Valentin, who volunteers for the group, spent about four months working around the pile of debris from the towers. He now has lymphatic tumours in his chest, as well as asbestos poisoning.

"We all have terminal illnesses, we are all going to die. We just want to help others by showing them that they are not alone," he said.

The bill currently before Congress, which is named after James Zadroga, a police officer who died in 2006, would provide for the health monitoring and treatment of an additional 15,000 emergency workers. Paradoxically, it would not cover cancer, which was not perceived as a priority at the time the legislation was drafted though numbers have escalated since then.

Claire Calladine, a campaigner who runs the organisation 9/11 Health Now, said the fear was that the recent rise in cancer cases was just the start.

"We have only seen the tip of the iceberg. How bad will it get – that is the big question."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/11/cancer-new-york-rescuers
 
ok tits, forget my rants , which in reality is me just trying to get through some of your thick skull, one track minds.
its only rants to those who just don't get it.

I WANT NUMBERS
lets put our cards on the table.
how much money is each life worth?
another words who deserves what and from who.
numbers, give me numbers.

you all say, they deserve they deserve , ok, they deserve.
now give the figures.

That's all you Conservatives care about...how much is it going to cost.

Nevermind tha fact that it's the right thing to do. But how much is going to come from your pockets.

BTW...all this money is coming from closing a tax loophold that makes it so that foregin companies don't have to pay taxes in America. Not one American citizen will be taxed...only foregin business.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
nobody is gonna answer my question.
yes mega volunteers who volunteered to help now claim they got sick and they want money.
i'm sure some are actually sick.
that has been acknowledged..
I've stated that many many people have been given much much money from many many different sources.
they many are set for life.
this is true isn't it?

a lot of people keep saying " they deserve, they deserve more, they deserve everything they get".

Ok I agree, they do.
now I'm asking for numbers
HOW MUCH AND FROM WHO?

Regarding the volunteer workers, I do agree that the gov should foot their medical treatment/bills, and thats all.
 
nobody is gonna answer my question.
yes mega volunteers who volunteered to help now claim they got sick and they want money.
I'm not one of them but I suspect if it were between their health and money ...they would've have taken the being healthy part over the money. It's not wanting money, it's expecting to be compensated for the loss of your health and in some cases lives of loved ones in service to the g'ment.

i'm sure some are actually sick.
that has been acknowledged..
Well, the ones who claim this are either sick or they're not. That is a circumstance easily determinable before it's a debate.
I've stated that many many people have been given much much money from many many different sources.
they many are set for life.
this is true isn't it?
What part don't you get about this being an ongoing circumstance and the bulk of the money has dried up since 2003...(the article clearly says that).
a lot of people keep saying " they deserve, they deserve more, they deserve everything they get".

Ok I agree, they do.
now I'm asking for numbers
HOW MUCH AND FROM WHO?
How much and from who?? Who knows how much but obviously if they were working at the behest of the g'ment the compensation must come from the g'ment. The other obvious thing is since the extent of this is still developing..who knows how much it could be. That's the reason why it would be in the interest of the g'ment to look at all the numbers and come up with some reasonable ballpark figure now (as they're trying to do) and try to settle the issue. Even with that, there is still the possibility that some will be shortchanged.
Regarding the volunteer workers, I do agree that the gov should foot their medical treatment/bills, and thats all.

Isn't that the heart of this thing?
 
Ok I agree, they do.
now I'm asking for numbers
HOW MUCH AND FROM WHO?

I don't know how much. But the money is comming form foregin companies that do business in the US. They are closing a loophole so that these companies have to pay their taxes.

No one single red, white and blue American will be taxed...just the foregin companies.

Regarding the volunteer workers, I do agree that the gov should foot their medical treatment/bills, and thats all.
:facepalm: For Christ's sake man...what the fuck do you think we have been talking about for the last 2 pages.
 
:facepalm: For Christ's sake man...what the fuck do you think we have been talking about for the last 2 pages.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It just wouldn't be meester though if he didn't make up his mind first before someone explained to him the facts.:2 cents:
 
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