Guns DO kill people, in Switzerland too

[Johan]

Switzerland is often used by gun enthusiasts as an example of a country without mass shootings, despite with many people owning legal guns. Well, guess what, that argument in now off the table

Gunman opens fire in mass shooting in tiny Swiss town 'killing four before turning the gun on himself in family dispute'

Five have been killed in shooting including gunman who committed suicide
Residents of Wuerenlingen town reported hearing shots fired late last night
Police arrived and found 'several' dead people lying outside and in a house
Bloodbath thought to have been triggered by a family dispute, say Swiss police


Five people have been killed in a mass shooting after a gunman opened fire in a tiny town in northern Switzerland.
A couple and their son were murdered by the killer who went on a shooting rampage, gunning down a heroic neighbour who tied to intervene before turning the weapon on himself.
Swiss police believe that the bloodbath had been triggered by a family argument.

Residents heard at least six shots in picturesque Wuerenlingen, near Baden, north west of Zurich, soon after 11pm on Saturday night after what sounded like a 'family argument' inside a house.
'I saw two people fall down dead,' a shocked local told Blick.ch


'I heard four shots - all in quick succession. Then a short time was calm before I again heard at least two shots. I heard no screams.'
One neighbour, who would not be named, told 20 Minuten: 'There were three explosions. The noise was so loud I felt like it was coming from the room next door to me.'

When police arrived there were bodies 'lying inside and out', said a local police source.
'All were adults, and the gunman is thought to be among them. He is thought to have turned his gun on himself.
'It appears there are at least four bodies, and everything is being done to identify them, and to find a motive.'

A couple and their son are thought to be among the dead, said the source, who said the area in which they were found was 'very well maintained, and with no great social problems'.
The son of a neighbour, who tried to save the family from the gunman, is also believed to be among the dead.
Canton (state) Aargau police spokesman Bernard Graser told the BBC that the motive appears to have been a family dispute and the case is not terror-related.
'This is an exceptionally terrible crime, atypical for such a tranquil residential area,' he told 20 Minuten, but stressed that children were 'at no time in danger.'

An investigation is now underway and the Canton Aargau police are preparing to announce further details later this afternoon.

The incident has shocked the residents of Wuerenlingen, a town of some 4,500 people northwest of Zurich, near the German border.
It took place just a few hundred metres from the scene of the last multiple murder which rocked the small town thirty years ago.
On December 13, 1985 - a 33-year-old estate agent called Alfredo Lardelli shot two prostitutes and a love rival to death in exactly the same town.
The scene of the Lardelli bloodbath was 'just a hundred meters or so,' from the location of today's crime, said the source.
Lardelli was sentenced to twenty years in prison in 1989, but because of good behaviour was released in 1999

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Also, gun enthusiasts should know that swiss guns laws are very different and much tougher than US laws :
1) At 19 (or 20), every male swiss citizen must undergo basic military training at the Rekrutenschule (recruit school) after which Swiss men remain part of the militia until age 30 (34 for officers).
2) During that time they have to keep their gun at home but they can store it in the city's Zeughaus (armoury).
3) The gun is provided by the government and it's a very specific gun : 5.56x45mm SIG SG 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, military police, medical and postal personnel).
4) The ammos are proviided by the government as sealed package. It is illegal to use these ammos without government authorisation.
5) At the end of their time of service, men can keep the gun but this requires a specific licence.
6) The Swiss governement sponsors shooting range. The ammos that are bought at the shooting range have to be used there.
7) Buying any other gun requires a licence.
8) Carrying a gun requires a licence.

Such tough gun laws is probably why Switzeland has very few shootings. But still, shit happens, very rarely but it happens.
But the tougher gun laws are, the lower homicide rates are. Japan has a extremely tough gun lesgislation and a very low homicide rate.

 

[assari]

"The all who draw the sword will perish by the sword"


(Jesus Christ)

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Kind of like France has very strict gun laws, but muslims gunned down journalists with illegally obtained fully automatic weapons, and no one could do a thing about it...except surrender.

STFU&GTFO, and worry about surrender land, and it's population of soft cheese eating self righteous, halftards.

 

[Rey C.]

Switzerland is often used by gun enthusiasts as an example of a country without mass shootings, despite with many people owning legal guns. Well, guess what, that argument in now off the table


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-north-Switzerland-town.html#ixzz3Zji1c56h



4) The ammos are proviided by the government as sealed package. It is illegal to use these ammos without government authorisation.

Just an observation, but I think once you've decided to kill someone with your firearm, whether or not you're illegally using your government supplied ammo is kind of off the table at that point.

Such tough gun laws is probably why Switzeland has very few shootings. But still, shit happens, very rarely but it happens.
But the tougher gun laws are, the lower homicide rates are. Japan has a extremely tough gun lesgislation and a very low homicide rate.

We've kind of beaten this horse to a pulp, in discussing this issue in the past. But once again, I'll put this to you: passing a law, which cannot or will not be enforced, accomplishes NOTHING. A law is nothing more than words on a piece of paper at that point. There are plenty of laws which already govern who can and cannot have firearms in the United States. So, rather than cherry-picking atypical cases, where a citizen who lawfully owns a firearm uses it illegally, why not look at the majority of gun crimes in the U.S., which are committed by those who are already (by law) prohibited from owning or possessing firearms??? Rather than adding more words to more pieces of paper, if one wants to actually attack this issue, figure out what can practically be done in those cases.

As for Japan, you're ignoring the simple fact that Japanese culture is very different from American culture. I went to a Japanese restaurant last week. Each time I've been there, no matter who waits on me or takes my check, they always hand my card back to me with both hands and bow. I could probably pinch one of those girls on the ass in front of her (Japanese) husband and the most he would do is ask me not to do that anymore. An American? Nah, an American half my size would be reaching for a pistol, a knife, a blunt object or whatever he could lay his hands on to take me out. That's just who we are. How many stabbing are there in Japan per capita? How many malicious wounding cases can you find over there? Simply look at the non-firearms related, per capita, violent crime rate in Japan and compare it to the U.S. I've looked up the crime stats on various countries in the past and compared them to the U.S. What I learned was this: we are a nation of violent, bad tempered mofos. That's just who we be... with or without our six-shooters. You could mandate that every single Japanese adult has to possess a fully automatic weapon. I predict that their violent crime rate still wouldn't be close to ours.

 

[Johan]

Kind of like France has very strict gun laws, but muslims gunned down journalists with illegally obtained fully automatic weapons, and no one could do a thing about it...except surrender.

STFU&GTFO, and worry about surrender land, and it's population of soft cheese eating self righteous, halftards.

A few days ago, two terrorist have been arrested for owning and carrying guns. Police found they were planning to attack churches. If France had the same gun laws than the US, these guys would not have been arrested...

 

[Mr. Daystar]

A few days ago, two terrorist have been arrested for owning and carrying guns. Police found they were planning to attack churches. If France had the same gun laws than the US, these guys would not have been arrested...

Nope...they would have been shot, then YOU, and the rest of these bleeding heart fucktards would be screaming that cops get away with murder. ORRRRRRRR, maybe a citizen with a permit would have dropped them with well placed rounds to center mass, with bullets that have been smeared with pigs blood.


And yes, I do smear pigs blood on the tips of the bullets I carry........just in case.

 

[Rey C.]

But the tougher gun laws are, the lower homicide rates are. Japan has a extremely tough gun lesgislation and a very low homicide rate.

Yes, Chicago and Washington, D.C. are great examples, eh?

Words on pieces of paper are meaningless, if they exist in a vacuum.