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"First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

"First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

Auber-conservative christian radio-host wanted to support Trump on his closing mosques statement. He claimed that it wouldn't be unconstitutional 'cause the 1st amendmen doesn't apply here...


This is so ridiculous. And it could backfire so easily : if "religion" = "christianism", it means that, when the Founding Father said "Congress shall make no law respecting or establising a religion" it only applies to christianism, right ?
It means that Congress is allowed to pass laws respecting or establishing Judaism, Buddhism, Hindouism or Islam, right ?
It means that, to the Founding Fathers, the 10 Commandments shouldn't be applied in the US but Sharia law could, right ?
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

According to these dipshits, "Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship with God". It's funny though how they still want their tax exemption. Any time that you hear a Christian preacher talking about "Prophets", what they are really worried about is profits.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Christianity_is_not_a_religion
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

Mosques are and have been used as radicalization venues. Close them down and deport them. Islam is a cancer imported to this country. We were founded as a Judeo/Christian country. Fuck the dirty swine and their murderous spawn.

#AmericanNationalismFuckYeah
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

Oh and Christianism is a term created by the loony left as a counterpoint to Islamism. It's Christianity to those that practice within the faith. We don't recognize your term.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

I wonder how quick this pro-christianity-above-all stance of the american right wing would change if the christian churches of America would start demanding of their members, and all of their fellow country citizens, to follow the literal words of Jesus.

And what about closing down every Synagogue, too? They are not christian, too. I don't see you guys being so eager about THAT, aren't you? Still, you want to wipe out non-christian temples, they gotta go, following your logic.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

Well, that pastor was wrong. Although more than likely the framers didn't foresee a day when 3000 Muslims daily were entering the country. Some of the framers were Deists. Let's all try to look 250 years into the future, on second thought let's not.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

Praise the Lord!
Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights!
Praise him all his angels, praise him, all his hosts!
Praise him, sun, and moon, praise him, all you shining stars!
Praise him, you highest heavens, and you waters above the heavens!
Let them praise the name of the Lord!
For he commanded and they were created.
And he established them for ever and ever;
He set a law which cannot pass away.
~Thomas Jefferson

While most of the founding fathers wouldn't recognize Christianity today, they were, at heart, Christians. Few would identify themselves as deist because they all believed in an active God.

"Without the Belief of a Providence that takes Cognizance of, guards and guides and may favour particular Persons, there is no Motive to Worship a Deity, to fear its Displeasure, or to pray for its Protection." Franklin believed that God required worship, answers prayer, and intervenes in history to meet the needs of "particular Persons." By 1787, Franklin was requesting that the Constitutional Convention pause for prayer to seek guidance and reconciliation in the midst of one of its most heated debates.

http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Ad...g-Fathers-Were-Not-Deists-John-Fea-02-02-2011

Franklin's early commitment to deism, however, did not last very long. Some historians see his flirtation with deism as little more than a form of youthful rebellion against the strict Calvinism of his Puritan upbringing. As he grew older, Franklin came to believe in a Creator-God who possessed great wisdom, goodness, and power. God not only created this world, but he also sustained it.

And those are two of the founding fathers liberals like to drag out and proclaim weren't believers. And though a few might have been deists, that only means they believed in a Creator who pretty much left creation alone and let nature take its course and that ultimately, man is responsible for his actions.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

Some were Deists IMO and perhaps the Constitution holds it's wording in regard to religion was an effort to appease them. There was certainly some litmus test because none of the framers were atheist or agnostic.

Christianity and Judaism are the biggest enemies of the left. To discredit their belief in a Supreme Being is their only way to tear down the framer's intent. The loony left cherry pick Jefferson then find themselves squirming over his slave ownership. It really is entertaining to watch. No way they foresaw Islam being injected into American society. If they had, they would have certainly found a way to write it out of our way of life.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

Christianity and Judaism are the biggest enemies of the left. To discredit their belief in a Supreme Being is their only way to tear down the framer's intent. The loony left cherry pick Jefferson then find themselves squirming over his slave ownership. It really is entertaining to watch. No way they foresaw Islam being injected into American society. If they had, they would have certainly found a way to write it out of our way of life.



Jefferson Was the First President Defamed for Mentioning Islam


Love your neighbor as yourself, and your country more than yourself,” wrote Thomas Jefferson the year before his death. Who did he include among his neighbors in the blueprint for the nation he loved so much?

Jefferson implicitly included Muslims in his patriotic rendering of the Golden Rule. Many may find this idea startling today, but explicit proof for it exists.

In 1776, Jefferson inscribed these pivotal words among his private notes: “(N)either Pagan nor Mahometan (Muslim) nor Jew ought to be excluded from the civil rights of the commonwealth because of his religion.” They were written a few months after he composed the Declaration of Independence, when he returned to Virginia to draft new laws for his state.

Jefferson borrowed the precedent of “civil rights” for Muslims from the English philosopher John Locke’s 1689 tract, A Letter Concerning Toleration. Locke’s ideas about the toleration of Muslims and Jews provoked attacks: One critic condemned him for having “the faith of a Turk.” His enemies also charged, rightly, that he owned a copy of the Quran, which they termed “the Mahometan bible.”

For centuries, it had been common in Europe for one Christian to defame another with references to Islam, a practice that crossed the Atlantic. Jefferson, for his expansive views of religious liberty and political equality, would be attacked repeatedly as an “infidel,” a word that in his time meant not just an “unbeliever,” but a Muslim.

And like Locke, Jefferson owned a Quran.

The 22-year-old Jefferson bought his Quran in 1765, while studying law in Williamsburg, Va. The local newspaper documented his purchase of the two-volume translation by the Englishman George Sale. First published in 1734, Sale’s version was the earliest made directly from Arabic to English. It included a 200-page “Preliminary Discourse” with an overview of Islamic belief, ritual and law.

Jefferson may have been interested in the Quran as a book of law, for at the time he also ordered many English works of jurisprudence. He would have been struck by the translator’s definition of the Prophet as “the lawgiver of the Arabians.”

Yet while Sale condemned Islam as “a false religion,” he also took care to praise the Prophet as “beautiful in his person, of a subtle wit, agreeable behavior, showing liberality to the poor, courtesy to everyone, fortitude against his enemies, and above all a high reverence for the name of God.” The translator also refused to define Islam “as propagated by the sword alone,” reminding his readers that both Jews and Christians warred in the name of their faiths.

Critics accused Sale of being too even-handed in his depiction of Islam, resulting in his Anglican missionary employers distancing themselves from his translation. Posthumously, he was condemned as “half a Muslim,” by the British historian Edward Gibbon in 1788.

Those who appeared to defend Islam, or its adherents, were harshly criticized on both sides of the Atlantic.

What did Jefferson think about the Quran and its contents? He left no notes that capture his immediate reaction, either because he never wrote them or because they did not survive the fire that destroyed his mother’s house five years later. In the blaze, Jefferson said he lost “every paper” and “almost every book.” The Quran may also have succumbed to the fire, but if it did, he most certainly bought it again, for it survives in the Library of Congress.

In the Quran, Jefferson inscribed only his initials at the bottom of one page of the first volume.

Jefferson criticized the religion in his early political debates in 1776 as “stifling free enquiry,” a charge he also leveled against Catholicism. He thought both religions fused religion and the state at precisely the time he wished to separate them in Virginia.

Despite his criticism of Islam, Jefferson supported the rights of its adherents, a pattern he repeated for Judaism and Catholicism, moving beyond his hero Locke, who refused toleration to Catholics and atheists.

In Jefferson’s 1784 Notes on Virginia, he published his views on the relationship between his neighbor’s religion and the state: “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

With his assertion that government should never intrude into the metaphysical beliefs of its citizens, Jefferson provided unintentional, lasting ammunition for his political enemies. For many, these words proved he was not really Christian.

Jefferson’s legal version of the Golden Rule, combined with Locke’s views of Muslim civil rights, would echo most potently in his 1821 autobiography, in which he recalled the final fight to pass his most famous legislation, the Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom, still in force today.

The Statute proclaims: “(O)ur civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions.” Although Jefferson’s proposed legislation originally met with resistance in 1779, James Madison lobbied for its passage and, finally, achieved victory in 1786 while Jefferson was away in France.

Jefferson recorded happily in his autobiography that a final attempt to change his preamble by adding the words “Jesus Christ” failed. And this failure led Jefferson to affirm that he had intended the application of the statute to be “universal.” By this he meant that religious liberty and political equality would not be exclusively Christian, a belief in religious pluralism that Madison also shared.

Jefferson asserted that his original legislative intent had been “to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.

By the time he wrote these words in 1821, Jefferson certainly appreciated the consequences of being labeled an infidel himself. In the wake of his narrow presidential victory in 1800, he confided to a close friend: “(W)hat an effort, my dear Sir, of bigotry in politics & religion we have gone through.”

Jefferson would not be the last presidential candidate to be defamed for referring to Islam, but he remains the first.

Tragically, though Jefferson championed Muslim rights, he never knew that America’s first Muslims — slaves of West African origin — were denied the freedoms he thought were universal. The Founder may have even owned Muslim slaves, but there is no conclusive proof. There remains no doubt, however, that Jefferson imagined Muslims as neighbors in his country’s future, a forecast that retains signal implications to this day.
http://www.vnews.com/news/10197060-95/jefferson-was-the-first-president-defamed-for-mentioning-islam


Anti-Islam XXIth century's conservatives treat Obama just the way anti-Islam XVIIIth and XIXth centuries' conservatives used to treat Jefferson.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

Oh for fuck's sake Jefferson was a lawyer. He studied various laws throughout the world. We were a country in it's infancy and he sought to implement the laws that would meld within a representative republic. Obviously Sharia Law didn't make the final cut. He also understood states rights and that quote was pertaining to the Commonwealth of Virginia .

The gymnastics left-wing Looney Tunes like you have to perform is high hilarity. He owned a Qu'ran so does Rudy Giuliani as well as almost every legal scholar.

The fuck outta here with that shit
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

Oh for fuck's sake Jefferson was a lawyer. He studied various laws throughout the world. We were a country in it's infancy and he sought to implement the laws that would meld within a representative republic. Obviously Sharia Law didn't make the final cut. He also understood states rights and that quote was pertaining to the Commonwealth of Virginia .

The gymnastics left-wing Looney Tunes like you have to perform is high hilarity. He owned a Qu'ran so does Rudy Giuliani as well as almost every legal scholar.

The fuck outta here with that shit

"from the shores of Tripoli"

this problem with islamic terrorism isn't something new. Jefferson dealt with it in his time.

In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). When they enquired "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.

the first barbary war 1801:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
 
A question for liberals in the U.S.

if given the choice (and you have to pick one), between an islamic caliphate in the u.s. enforcing sharia law from sea to shining sea or a bunch of southern baptists outlawing abortion and gay marriage but otherwise leaving everything else the hell alone, which would you pick?

think about it. one one side you can still smoke dope, drink booze, fuck your partner (male or female) in the ass among a host of other things. On the other side, if you happen profane the prophet's name the penalty is death.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

how many mosques are in the U.S.?

how many churches are in Saudi Arabia?

a muslim woman in the u.s. complains that she can't wear her hijab in her drivers license picture which obscures her face which would make that identification pointless, but in saudi arabia she wouldn't even be allowed to fucking drive in the first place.
 
Re: A question for liberals in the U.S.

if given the choice (and you have to pick one), between an islamic caliphate in the u.s. enforcing sharia law from sea to shining sea or a bunch of southern baptists outlawing abortion and gay marriage but otherwise leaving everything else the hell alone, which would you pick?

think about it. one one side you can still smoke dope, drink booze, fuck your partner (male or female) in the ass among a host of other things. On the other side, if you happen profane the prophet's name the penalty is death.

"from the shores of Tripoli"

this problem with islamic terrorism isn't something new. Jefferson dealt with it in his time.



the first barbary war 1801:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

how many mosques are in the U.S.?

how many churches are in Saudi Arabia?

a muslim woman in the u.s. complains that she can't wear her hijab in her drivers license picture which obscures her face which would make that identification pointless, but in saudi arabia she wouldn't even be allowed to fucking drive in the first place.

Seriously dude. You have got to stop making sense. :)
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

I'd like to emphasize this point.

In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). When they enquired "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.

163 years before the modern state of Israel was founded and not even 10 years after the United States, we were dealing with this shit, i.e., islamic bullshit. What exactly is their grievance again?
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

I'd like to emphasize this point.



163 years before the modern state of Israel was founded and not even 10 years after the United States, we were dealing with this shit, i.e., islamic bullshit. What exactly is their grievance again?



And boom! Goes the dynamite. And speaking of BGTD, 10 years later, and this still makes me laugh until tears are pouring out of my eyes.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W45DRy7M1no
 

BlkHawk

Closed Account
Re: A question for liberals in the U.S.

if given the choice (and you have to pick one), between an islamic caliphate in the u.s. enforcing sharia law from sea to shining sea or a bunch of southern baptists outlawing abortion and gay marriage but otherwise leaving everything else the hell alone, which would you pick?

think about it. one one side you can still smoke dope, drink booze, fuck your partner (male or female) in the ass among a host of other things. On the other side, if you happen profane the prophet's name the penalty is death.

I have to pick one huh? Well life doesn't work that way, if we ever reach that point that those are the only two possible political outcomes i will fight to the death opposing both. I will never live under the yoke of religious tyranny, or tyranny of any kind. Both those you describe are the majority forcing their religion on others the constitution clearly states I, and other Americans do not have to put up with that from any religion.

If you are willing to surrender any of your constitutional rights, or the rights of your neighbors for beer, and football, you make a piss poor American.

Would you also surrender your right to bear arms, freedom of the press, protections from unlawful search, and seizure? All for creature comforts?

Americans fought and died for all of those and more, and I will be damned if I surrender to the lesser of two evils for a fucking beer! .
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

"from the shores of Tripoli"

from the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797:

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

Submitted by president John Adams and ratified unanimously by the U.S. Senate.
 
Re: A question for liberals in the U.S.

I have to pick one huh? Well life doesn't work that way, if we ever reach that point that those are the only two possible political outcomes i will fight to the death opposing both. I will never live under the yoke of religious tyranny, or tyranny of any kind. Both those you describe are the majority forcing their religion on others the constitution clearly states I, and other Americans do not have to put up with that from any religion.

If you are willing to surrender any of your constitutional rights, or the rights of your neighbors for beer, and football, you make a piss poor American.

Would you also surrender your right to bear arms, freedom of the press, protections from unlawful search, and seizure? All for creature comforts?

Americans fought and died for all of those and more, and I will be damned if I surrender to the lesser of two evils for a fucking beer! .

You missed the point.

There's one tyranny that will offend your sensibilities, there's another that will saw your head off with a knife. Pick one.
 
Re: "First Amendment only applies to christianism", says christian ultra-conservative radio host

from the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797:

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

Submitted by president John Adams and ratified unanimously by the U.S. Senate.

And yet we went to war with them AFTER that. Why?

John Adams was a pussy like Obama is.
 
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