FDA allowing 15-year-olds with ID to buy morning-after pill over the counter.

[Harley Spencer]

At least it sounds like your sister was a bit more supportive?

Eh, kind of but not really. We didn't talk much. Other than a few things here and there, she pretty much kept to herself.

I'm sorry to hear that. Unfortunately that's, among others, the prudish attitude of the US (and not only of course) that Petra was talking about: sex doesn't exist, socially, unless you're drunk, under the influence of drugs and of course if you have to pay someone to be talked in. Oh, and if you got raped, you looked for it. It's funny how here in Spain you can get tanned completely naked in almost any beaches, you can even have a fuck as long as kids are not around and the rape rate per 100,000 population is at 3 versus 27 of USA and UK.

That's something I love about Europe, how open minded they are about things, sex included.

Sex does exist socially in the US but it's so full of judgment. It seems that if a girl has sex with one person here, she's automatically labeled a slut. Really I think it's the older generations that are the most prudish about it, whereas the younger folks are becoming more open about it, talking about it with friends, going to strip clubs, being open about oggling the opposite sex and talking about how hot some guy or girl is that just walked in the door, not being afraid of their sexuality, and being more open about gay sex and relationships. One problem is jealousy, girls being jealous of each other, seeing another girl that's dressed even remotely provocatively and whispering to their posse about that girl being a slut or whatever other choice word they may have, and why? Because that girl is open sexually, knows she's attractive, and flaunts her stuff, and she gets men, and the girls making snide comments about her are jealous of that, covering up that jealousy with fake prudish comments, claiming it's disgusting or immoral, when inside they're really wishing they had that type of confidence in their bodies.

I'm willing to bet that religion may have some small part in that, seeing as the US is primarily filled with christians and catholics. Many families, whether they strictly follow the church or not, hold on to those ideals due to the pressure of what the religious part of society has turned it into. That sex is supposed to be sacred. And some women holding onto sexist discriminations about men, thinking that all men are nothing but perverted dogs who want nothing but sex, think with their penises, those opinions being shoved down girls throats, people throwing around statements about women who sleep around supposedly not having any self respect because they have sex with people who supposedly don't care about them, but have they even thought about the girls? Probably not. Many times, the girls want sex and nothing but sex, no strings attached, but does that matter? Naaah she has no self respect! Pfffft. With all these imaginary boundaries that society places on the US, people are afraid to be open about sex, maybe only subconsciously or maybe not, for the fear of being judged about it. It's ridiculous but it's true.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

Harley Spencer[/URL][/B], post: 7579929, member: 579739"]Eh, kind of but not really. We didn't talk much. Other than a few things here and there, she pretty much kept to herself.

Jeez, did you have anyone to turn to growing up?

 

[Harley Spencer]

Jeez, did you have anyone to turn to growing up?

Honestly, no. Not that I'm looking for pity, that's just the truth.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

Harley Spencer[/URL][/B], post: 7580077, member: 579739"]Honestly, no. Not that I'm looking for pity, that's just the truth.

I don't do pity. I do sympathy pretty well though, and you have mine.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Didn't read the thread, but will reply anyways:
15 year olds are rarely mature enough to have sex.
But that won't stop them having sex. For this reason they need to have contraception available to them and knowledge or how to use it and the penalties of not using it.
The last thing we need is kids having kids, because kids can't support kids.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to look at www.innocentangels.com.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

I'm willing to bet that religion may have some small part in that, seeing as the US is primarily filled with christians and catholics.

Perhaps. But then where do you get more Christian and Catholic than in Italy and Spain? So, i don't know. Maybe puritanism stands at the origin of it all. Again, i don't know. It always puzzles me the view on sex in America. I don't comprehend the reason of it.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

My only problem with any of this type of stuff is simply this. If I'm responsible for a child until she's 18, I should be informed. If that same 16 year old child goes into my gun safe and takes a weapon out, and shoots someone, I'm going to be tried in court for that child's actions. I must carry health insurance for them, and I have to provide them with room and board. I should know what's going on. That doesn't mean I should be allowed to force, or deny them their rights, but if I'm expected to be responsible, I should be in the loop.

 

[Jeep!]

My only problem with any of this type of stuff is simply this. If I'm responsible for a child until she's 18, I should be informed. If that same 16 year old child goes into my gun safe and takes a weapon out, and shoots someone, I'm going to be tried in court for that child's actions. I must carry health insurance for them, and I have to provide them with room and board. I should know what's going on. That doesn't mean I should be allowed to force, or deny them their rights, but if I'm expected to be responsible, I should be in the loop.

Yeah, but that line of logic only holds if the same child had gotten that medication from your cabinets--if they go out and buy a gun without you knowing and shoot someone, you're not liable, same as if they go out and buy medicine without you knowing. A private transaction conducted by an individual without supervision isn't something you're in any way liable for, whether it's a gun or a pill or dog with bees in its mouth that when it barks shoots bees at you.

 

[Harley Spencer]

Perhaps. But then where do you get more Christian and Catholic than in Italy and Spain? So, i don't know. Maybe puritanism stands at the origin of it all. Again, i don't know. It always puzzles me the view on sex in America. I don't comprehend the reason of it.

Ehh. Me neither, I don't get it. I'm with you there.

 

[Will E Worm]

Should my 15yo daughter have a legal right to go behind my back and have sex, unprotected, and given the privacy from me to do so?

No. This is an issue for the parents, not the state.

 

[Jeep!]

No. This is an issue for the parents, not the state.

The state aren't actually permitting or denying anyone the ability to go have sex whenever they please; and given your opinions on the limits of state controls, surely they shouldn't be trying to prevent people from exercising a fundamental freedom (unless, of course, you're a moron and a hypocrite oh wait).

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

No. This is an issue for the parents, not the state.

If "This is an issue for the parents, not the state" then your answer should be "Yes," not "No." The State shouldn't be trying to prevent anyone from gaining birth control, since they shouldn't be interfering. The State shouldn't be playing nanny and making sure parents are informed, since it is a parent's job to raise their own children, no? If they are uninformed and incapable the government shouldn't be getting involved since that isn't their job.

...and given your opinions on the limits of state controls, surely they shouldn't be trying to prevent people from exercising a fundamental freedom (unless, of course, you're a moron and a hypocrite oh wait).

BINGO! Have some rep...

 

[Petra]

Perhaps. But then where do you get more Christian and Catholic than in Italy and Spain? So, i don't know. Maybe puritanism stands at the origin of it all. Again, i don't know. It always puzzles me the view on sex in America. I don't comprehend the reason of it.

I think it's more the American brand of Christianity that is the root. Like I said in another post, the Netherlands has it's wack a doodles that control every move their women make because the bible tells them they have that control. However, that brand of Christianity is very much the minority and nobody gives it much weight so they don't have control.

I'm sure the Christian party wishes they had the same type of influence as the GOP in the states, to tell women what they can and can't do with their body, but the dutch constitution and society at large has pretty much told them where they can stick those archaic values (which is why it's going to be left up to shop owners if they're open on Sunday or not LOL)...however, in the US the influence of the right wing wack a doodles is still pretty big. In fact, it's so big that they can make laws like in Utah that state a miscarriage can be considered murder or that employers don't have to have birth control on their insurance packages. When they tell people they shouldn't be letting other people school their children about sex (such as schools), they listen. However, they're not bright enough or man/woman enough to do it themselves either.

My only problem with any of this type of stuff is simply this. If I'm responsible for a child until she's 18, I should be informed. If that same 16 year old child goes into my gun safe and takes a weapon out, and shoots someone, I'm going to be tried in court for that child's actions. I must carry health insurance for them, and I have to provide them with room and board. I should know what's going on. That doesn't mean I should be allowed to force, or deny them their rights, but if I'm expected to be responsible, I should be in the loop.

Unfortunately, the majority have ruined it for the minority. This is also why you can't discipline your child more than setting her on the naughty step. Even then CPS may get involved these days.

 

[meesterperfect]

There's got to be a morning after
If we can hold on through the night
We have a chance to find the sunshine
Let's keep on looking for the light......................FUCK IT, LETS JUST KILL IT INSTEAD.

Actually, I feel if youre gonna abort the child this is the way to go.
I am not anti abortion but I feel it should be really thought about by BOTH parties before doing it.
If the father is willing to take care of the child even if the mother isnt than that should, by law even, supersede the abortion.
I am very very strongly against late term abortion no matter what, unless the child has a terrible affliction......and not Downs syndrome but something very extreme.

This law? its bullshit. Emergency rooms are open 24/7 are they not?
I think if a girl under 18 gets pregnant her parents should be legally obligated to be notified before an abortion or taking this drug, just as any other medical procedure or prescribed drug.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

Yeah, but that line of logic only holds if the same child had gotten that medication from your cabinets--if they go out and buy a gun without you knowing and shoot someone, you're not liable, same as if they go out and buy medicine without you knowing. A private transaction conducted by an individual without supervision isn't something you're in any way liable for, whether it's a gun or a pill or dog with bees in its mouth that when it barks shoots bees at you.

What the fuck do i care about liability? She's my fucking daughter and i wanna fucking know when she needs my fucking help and i don't fucking want a fucking Target's employee to replace me. Do you know what a girl goes through psychologically in those moments? Sure you don't. Well, it's a lot that and a Target's employee is not what i dreamed of to support my underage daughter when she needs it.

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Do you really think a 15yo girl left alone in such a thing is gonna read and evaluate that? If she's so mature and strong and conscious of possible consequences, then let her do fucking porn if she likes, let her go clubbing an drinking what she wants.
For what i'm concerned, she is going to pay with my money and this alone should be enough to put me in the loop. They are taking your kids away from you little by little out there and you talk about liability. Well, then don't complain if they grow as pieces of shit and go shooting in school or bullying or kill themselves: hold the fucking government accountable for that.
Sorry, but as i said above i particularly feel for this subject. No personal pun intended.

 

[JaanaRuutu]

There's got to be a morning after
If we can hold on through the night
We have a chance to find the sunshine
Let's keep on looking for the light......................FUCK IT, LETS JUST KILL IT INSTEAD.

Actually, I feel if youre gonna abort the child this is the way to go.
I am not anti abortion but I feel it should be really thought about by BOTH parties before doing it.
If the father is willing to take care of the child even if the mother isnt than that should, by law even, supersede the abortion.
I am very very strongly against late term abortion no matter what, unless the child has a terrible affliction......and not Downs syndrome but something very extreme.

This law? its bullshit. Emergency rooms are open 24/7 are they not?
I think if a girl under 18 gets pregnant her parents should be legally obligated to be notified before an abortion or taking this drug, just as any other medical procedure or prescribed drug.

The morning after pill isn't the abortion pill. It's something you take..well, the morning after unprotected sex. if you were raped, if the condom broke, etc.

 

[Harley Spencer]

There's got to be a morning after
If we can hold on through the night
We have a chance to find the sunshine
Let's keep on looking for the light......................FUCK IT, LETS JUST KILL IT INSTEAD.

Actually, I feel if youre gonna abort the child this is the way to go.
I am not anti abortion but I feel it should be really thought about by BOTH parties before doing it.
If the father is willing to take care of the child even if the mother isnt than that should, by law even, supersede the abortion.
I am very very strongly against late term abortion no matter what, unless the child has a terrible affliction......and not Downs syndrome but something very extreme.

This law? its bullshit. Emergency rooms are open 24/7 are they not?
I think if a girl under 18 gets pregnant her parents should be legally obligated to be notified before an abortion or taking this drug, just as any other medical procedure or prescribed drug.

Abortions? This isn't about abortion. Take a look at Sabrina's post below and read about it. It's not for women who are already pregnant. You take the pill as somewhat of a replacement for the regular birth control pill, meaning you can go into a store the day after you have sex and get this pill, take it, and it will prevent you from BECOMING pregnant. It won't terminate an existing pregnancy.

What the fuck do i care about liability? She's my fucking daughter and i wanna fucking know when she needs my fucking help and i don't fucking want a fucking Target's employee to replace me. Do you know what a girl goes through psychologically in those moments? Sure you don't. Well, it's a lot that and a Target's employee is not what i dreamed of to support my underage daughter when she needs it.




Do you really think a 15yo girl left alone in such a thing is gonna read and evaluate that? If she's so mature and strong and conscious of possible consequences, then let her do fucking porn if she likes, let her go clubbing an drinking what she wants.
For what i'm concerned, she is going to pay with my money and this alone should be enough to put me in the loop. They are taking your kids away from you little by little out there and you talk about liability. Well, then don't complain if they grow as pieces of shit and go shooting in school or bullying or kill themselves: hold the fucking government accountable for that.
Sorry, but as i said above i particularly feel for this subject. No personal pun intended.

I mean no disrespect to you, but I have to say that you can't hold the government responsible for something like this. Didn't we previously have a discussion about parenting, where it was agreed that it's the parent's job to be there for their kid, teach their kid about sex, and that if a kid still does these types of things, then it's bad parenting? So... if your kid goes into a store and gets the morning after pill without your knowledge, then wouldn't that mean you have bad parenting? The government isn't responsible for anyone's child, and you can't make any excuse that it's the government's fault for allowing kids to have options like that, so your kid felt like they had a choice between you as a parent and target as a parent. It's not like that.

People need to take responsibility for their own actions.

Also, I don't understand what this whole deal is about 15 year old girls not having the maturity to make a decision like that. Does no one here remember what it's like to be 15? Or was everyone here just stupid at age 15? You have to give teens more credit than that. Sure, teens might be prone to peer pressure, they might make bad decisions from time to time, but we all do. We've all gone through that, and sometimes we still make poor decisions as adults. That's life. And kids need to be able to learn by their experiences and mistakes. If they go through their adolescence having mummy and daddy to turn to for every single issue, then they're being babied, they're not learning how to make decisions on their own without having to constantly confide in someone about it. Going through bad situations, or bigger life decisions in general, makes a person stronger and more able to face the real world. At age 15, they should be starting to do that. They'll be reaching the age of 18 in 3 years. That's it. Just 3 years, and then they're off doing their own thing, where you can't be responsible for their every action, where they don't have to come to you for everything and ask your permission. If they don't get a sample of that throughout their adolescence, they will not be prepared.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

Abortions? This isn't about abortion. Take a look at Sabrina's post below and read about it. It's not for women who are already pregnant. You take the pill as somewhat of a replacement for the regular birth control pill, meaning you can go into a store the day after you have sex and get this pill, take it, and it will prevent you from BECOMING pregnant. It won't terminate an existing pregnancy.



I mean no disrespect to you, but I have to say that you can't hold the government responsible for something like this. Didn't we previously have a discussion about parenting, where it was agreed that it's the parent's job to be there for their kid, teach their kid about sex, and that if a kid still does these types of things, then it's bad parenting? So... if your kid goes into a store and gets the morning after pill without your knowledge, then wouldn't that mean you have bad parenting? The government isn't responsible for anyone's child, and you can't make any excuse that it's the government's fault for allowing kids to have options like that, so your kid felt like they had a choice between you as a parent and target as a parent. It's not like that.

People need to take responsibility for their own actions.

Also, I don't understand what this whole deal is about 15 year old girls not having the maturity to make a decision like that. Does no one here remember what it's like to be 15? Or was everyone here just stupid at age 15? You have to give teens more credit than that. Sure, teens might be prone to peer pressure, they might make bad decisions from time to time, but we all do. We've all gone through that, and sometimes we still make poor decisions as adults. That's life. And kids need to be able to learn by their experiences and mistakes. If they go through their adolescence having mummy and daddy to turn to for every single issue, then they're being babied, they're not learning how to make decisions on their own without having to constantly confide in someone about it. Going through bad situations, or bigger life decisions in general, makes a person stronger and more able to face the real world. At age 15, they should be starting to do that. They'll be reaching the age of 18 in 3 years. That's it. Just 3 years, and then they're off doing their own thing, where you can't be responsible for their every action, where they don't have to come to you for everything and ask your permission. If they don't get a sample of that throughout their adolescence, they will not be prepared.

Oh no worries, it's good to talk and have different opinions

We indeed previously did have a discussion about parenting, where it was agreed that it's the parent's job to be there for their kid, teach their kid about sex, and that if a kid still does these types of things, then it's bad parenting. But that's exactly my point: how can i teach my kids something, while the government tells them that they can totally ignore what i say? Parental consent is a foundation of education of minors: if this is taken completely away for such things, what should a parent do? Stalk their kids 24/7 to see what the hell they are doing? Telling a 15yo girl that it's ok to go to Target and to get a day after pill bypassing family...how can this help parenting? Kids don't come to tell you "i got creampied" if they can avoid so? Shouldn't i know, in order to monitor her health, to give advice for the future, to show her that there is nothing to be scared of about talking to me about everything, that i'm always there for her? Families homes are becoming hostels where kids lodge for food and a bed where to sleep on parents expenses. If this is what American people want, good for them. Personally, i would be pretty pretty pissed.

On a different note, it's bizarre how nobody seems to care about a 15yo girl getting creampied on a drinking night at college while i'm supposed to wear a fucking condom in the US, despite of taking two full health tests a month since 7 years. To connect it to the above: wouldn't you like to know whom she fucked? Wouldn't you like to check her health if she needed a day after pill after a drinking night? Who's best about these implications: parents or the Target's attendant?

 

[Harley Spencer]

Oh no worries, it's good to talk and have different opinions

We indeed previously did have a discussion about parenting, where it was agreed that it's the parent's job to be there for their kid, teach their kid about sex, and that if a kid still does these types of things, then it's bad parenting. But that's exactly my point: how can i teach my kids something, while the government tells them that they can totally ignore what i say? Parental consent is a foundation of education of minors: if this is taken completely away for such things, what should a parent do? Stalk their kids 24/7 to see what the hell they are doing? Telling a 15yo girl that it's ok to go to Target and to get a day after pill bypassing family...how can this help parenting? Kids don't come to tell you "i got creampied" if they can avoid so? Shouldn't i know, in order to monitor her health, to give advice for the future, to show her that there is nothing to be scared of about talking to me about everything, that i'm always there for her? Families homes are becoming hostels where kids lodge for food and a bed where to sleep on parents expenses. If this is what American people want, good for them. Personally, i would be pretty pretty pissed.

On a different note, it's bizarre how nobody seems to care about a 15yo girl getting creampied on a drinking night at college while i'm supposed to wear a fucking condom in the US, despite of taking two full health tests a month since 7 years. To connect it to the above: wouldn't you like to know whom she fucked? Wouldn't you like to check her health if she needed a day after pill after a drinking night? Who's best about these implications: parents or the Target's attendant?

It is important to monitor your child's health, but I don't think it needs to be all that extensive. My mom never knew every single guy I was sleeping with, but she did know that I was sexually active.

One way to go around it is instead of faulting the government, as a parent you can provide your child with protection. Take her to annual gynecologist visits, put her on birth control. Problem solved. You can't stop her from getting into trouble at every second of every day, you can't be sure that she won't sneak out and go to a party, or that she'll forget to take the pill one night before bed. That's not possible. But that's normal.

The government isn't going around telling kids that they can go in for the morning after pill. All they're doing is providing it as an option. It's not like the government is going around town in parades announcing it on the street, bounding into people's homes and whispering into kids ears. Some kids don't have parents who they can confide in, I was one of them, so if that clinic wasn't available to me, I wouldn't have gotten birth control. I'd have been engaging in unprotected sex. Sure, I told my mom eventually that I was on it, but I never would have gone to her about it before making the decision to go on birth control- I didn't have that type of close relationship with my mom. If I remember correctly, I think I told my mom during an argument. I don't remember what the argument was, but I ended up blurting out something like, "Well I'm on birth control now so you don't have to worry about me getting pregnant!"

The government isn't wrong to allow this as an option, because there are lots of families out there who don't have good parenting skills and lots of kids who don't listen to their parents. Since the government can't control the way every parent brings up their kids, the least they can do is provide a solution for this dilemma.

 

[meesterperfect]

The morning after pill isn't the abortion pill. It's something you take..well, the morning after unprotected sex. if you were raped, if the condom broke, etc.

Abortions? This isn't about abortion. Take a look at Sabrina's post below and read about it. It's not for women who are already pregnant. You take the pill as somewhat of a replacement for the regular birth control pill, meaning you can go into a store the day after you have sex and get this pill, take it, and it will prevent you from BECOMING pregnant. It won't terminate an existing pregnancy.



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yeah i know what it is. and i know i gave my opinion on abortion which I didnt need to, but it is connected to this topic.......but i think its a reasonable opinion.
I do think 15 is too young to be able just to go in and buy it. If 15 is the age and people are cool with that then by that thinking why even put an age on it at all? Just let anyone buy it.